The Astral Pulse

Dear friends,

There are many great OBE organizations such as Monroe, etc.  Each has their own preference.  On a personal note I enjoy IAC.  For me, their obe lingo doesn't bother me and in fact I find it entertaining. :)  I strongly believe without any doubt that IAC has the main key to conscious OBE's.  In IAC's own words, "The mastering of one's vital energies (a.k.a. bioenergies, chi, prana) is the key to conscious, controled astral projections."  They teach one how to greatly increase their chi.  Also as you know, Robert Bruce has some outstanding techniques for increasing self energy.  Please post any other sources that you may know.

The reason I am writing today is that I notice IAC in Los Angeles California is having a free OBE seminar on Saturday, September 17, at 5:30PM (310) 482-0000.  IAC is world wide.  Here is a list of IAC locations:
http://www.iacworld.org/English/Courses/Schedule/ChooseALocation.asp

For all Los Angeles USA upcoming events:
http://www.iacworld.org/English/Courses/Schedule/EventsIAC.asp?c=LAN

One of the most outstanding OBE books ever:
Projectiology
1232 pages
http://www.iacworld.org/English/Publications/Projectiology/Default.asp

Projections of the Consciousness
240 pages
http://www.iacworld.org/English/Publications/Eng/ProjectionsOfTheConsciousness.asp

More IAC Books:
http://www.iacworld.org/English/Publications/default.asp

Best wishes on your journeys,
Paul

ahh....energy work, I love it.  After 3 years of spending 2 hrs daily you may be lucky enough to have a conscious OBE.  

I think energy work is a good to manipulate energy, or chi, such as in sexual Chi Kung.   Dr. lin teaches that a man can have multiple full body orgasms using energy at www.actionlove.com (probably one of the worst put together sites ever).  However, to "OBE" this is like wanting to go from Indianapolis to Chicago and taking the LONG way around the earth.  You'll get there but it will take forever.

Try phasing.  Much, much easier

Han

Hi,

I just wanted to quickly say something, but I may come back and say more.

Han,

When I was in college it took me 7 days to OBE when I first stated trying.  This idea of phasing and OBE has been around for 1000's of years.  As far as I know, there are only two ways to access information by non-physical means.

1) By remote viewing or sensing.  True remote sensing is accessing the akashic records.  The shim has access to two akashic record on the astral and the mental plane.  The mental plane records are more accurate.  Remote viewing or sensing may seem like a projection.  It depends on the person, what they were taught, and what they believe.  Traveling to Focus 2 may seem real, but for that person it may merely be remote sensing.
2) By projecting out of the body.  This may be an etheric, astral, or mental projection.

What you call phasing for one person may be remote viewing or it may be an actual projection.  There is no in-between and you may call it as you wish.  What one technique may call remote view may actually be an out of body experience called mental projection.

Energy work is not an obe technique.  What you do with the energy may be a technique.  Chi is what will determine your experience.  If you have no chi then you die.  If you are very low on chi then your flow of consciousness will be in state of sleep.  What good it is if you use some technique that lasts 4 seconds?  The more energy you have the more conscious you will be.  The more energy you have translate into a longer obe or remote sensing experience.  A person who has not developed their bodies will usually have a self created experience and have very little reflection on the true group conscious reality of the local you're at while out of body.  For example, a person may think he or she is seeing a lighted candle, but in reality it may be an angel.  Without energy work the person will most likely see illusions.

I say the person should try all techniques that seem interesting.  If phasing works best for most modern humanity then great.  All of this is talk so far is for experience.  When the person eventually matures enough by developing their bodies by energy work and positive thinking and service to others then they will want to help others.  This could very well start off as work in the etheric planes.  In the etheric planes they will work with people in the physical plane.  Hurican Kartina is a great example.  It is energy work, helping a person that is in dire need.  I tell you that any phasing or remote sensing experiences that are not an obe do not qualify for this service to others work.  I could never in my right mind tell people to forget about energy work.  IMHO it is very important just as doing physical exercises and eating correctly is important.

Some people have said that when they see someone teaching mystical information to run the other way.  I say when you see someone selling such information to run the other way.  I am amazed what I read on phasing sales pitch.  I never met a mystic who thought the astral plane was not divided into other areas.  If you want read some details from a mystic then read their 1000+ free book
The Rosicrucian Cosmo-Conception, by Max Heindel
http://www.rosicrucian.com/rcc/rcceng00.htm

There you will learn about the various realms and more details than any non-initiate needs.  I say run the other when someone sells information and will not provide that information electronically for free.  It is fine offer it as hard copy for a price, but if electronic means are affordable then it should be given away or for at least the cost of bandwidth, which btw would be a penny at most.

Just my 2 cents

Peace,
Paul

QuoteA person who has not developed their bodies will usually have a self created experience and have very little reflection on the true group conscious reality of the local you're at while out of body.

I don't find merit in this line of thinking. This seems to suggest that in order to project you need to develop an ethereal body made out of chi. Not so. I believe you only need to accept your true existence, as simple as changing your focus (as the focus models suggest).

There is a lot of misunderstanding out there about chi. On the one hand, I have heard a lot of believable testimony that it is very helpful to launch an OBE, sometimes even essential - on the other hand, there seem to be those who do very well without it at all.

I think it's likely that chi has little or nothing to do with OBEs. I believe it can be used to trigger them, but it is completely inessential. For most people, development of chi is probably the hard road to an OBE.

Quote from: Hans Solo
Try phasing.  Much, much easier

Han

ok, how?
I can't find any book or guide on "phasing for newbies" with exercises!!

on the other hand, plenty of free stuff, and books, by bruce on NEW energy.

See the problem?

Can you advise? I want to try!

Quote from: mactombsThere is a lot of misunderstanding out there about chi. On the one hand, I have heard a lot of believable testimony that it is very helpful to launch an OBE, sometimes even essential - on the other hand, there seem to be those who do very well without it at all.

I think it's likely that chi has little or nothing to do with OBEs. I believe it can be used to trigger them, but it is completely inessential. For most people, development of chi is probably the hard road to an OBE.

I am a believer in what I call time line jumping, but I also believe we exist with countless other beings and one being cannot override the rules of countless other beings.  There are many universal laws that cannot be broken in a time line.  For example, the law of cause and effect; i.e., karma.  One can believe all they wish and they cannot break the law of karma.  You will eventually reap what you sew.  That is why it's important to learn the rules of the time line you are in.  For example, there are laws to astral matter and the astral realm just as there are in the physical-- they're just different rules.  What a beginner sees while out of body is probably incorrect.  For example, you may believe you're seeing a candle but it may really be an angel.  Or better yet, your real astral body may be floating in your living room and you may be skiing down an imaginary hill that you created in your own mind.  The hill may be real, but it is only real to you because you are its creator and that hill will probably fade fairly quickly once you leave it.  Just like a newborn baby in the flesh needs to learn how to see, you will need to learn how to see and FOCUS.  This comes with time, practice, and exercise.  Energy work does make a difference regardless if you notice it or not.

Anyone who believes that consciousness is not energy is fooling himself or herself.  Consciousness is a universal flow of energy.  Energy work is just as important on a daily basis just as physical exercises and eating healthy foods.  Energy work alone is not an obe technique in itself.  By itself it is not meant to project you, but it will make the projection easier, longer, and will increase your level of consciousness.  It is not coincidence that prior to projection the flow of energy in the system increases, which is often felt as strong vibrations.  All of this is energy and energy work is one of the most important aspect to obe's.  

Phasing may be the best answer for some, but not all.  It took me 7 days to obe using the technique in Robert Monroe's book Journeys Out of the Body.  IMHO it should not take more than 1 to 3 months for the average person to obe presuming the person puts forth a lot of effort.  If you are allergic to pain and tedious feelings then it may take you years or even decades to obe.  Effort makes all the difference.

Eventually the person will become adept at projecting and will begin to learn real information while out of body.  Eventually the person will mature spiritually and learn about the vital importance of service to others.  OBE, not remote sensing, will become a vital aid in helping others during your sleep state.  When a person focuses on spiritual development, then the higher self will work with the lower self, your personality, and great things will begin to happen.  You will reach a state of continuity of consciousness; i.e., being conscious 24/7/365 forever without end.

Peace,
Paul

Quote from: pmlonline

Quote from: mactombsThere is a lot of misunderstanding out there about chi. On the one hand, I have heard a lot of believable testimony that it is very helpful to launch an OBE, sometimes even essential - on the other hand, there seem to be those who do very well without it at all.

I think it's likely that chi has little or nothing to do with OBEs. I believe it can be used to trigger them, but it is completely inessential. For most people, development of chi is probably the hard road to an OBE.

I am a believer in what I call time line jumping, but I also believe we exist with countless other beings and one being cannot override the rules of countless other beings.  There are many universal laws that cannot be broken in a time line. (snip)

Anyone who believes that consciousness is not energy is fooling himself or herself.
(snip)

I think we are on the same wavelength here. Having read a lot since I was a kid in this field, I've come to the same conclusion.

You can use phasing (Frank Style)  to "project" as you can use  NEW (Bruce) style to project, it doesn't really matter, it's just what works for you and your personal preference.
Personally, I just can't get my head around Phasing still :-( , so the NEW and classic methods do make sense, even though I've not having much success with them, it's a clear logical road map.
I really don't know why people stick to one side, and ignore everything else, very basic and not very intelligent way to operate.
The goal is to expand our minds as much as possible with as much as possible.  True explorers keep and open mind to everything and explore everything by themselfs, they don't let terminology or history or personal bias in the way.

Energy is a vital aspect of Astral Projection or OBE, for many reasons, it just can't be ignored.  Even if you were a pure scientist and well read, you'd know Einstiens equation  e=mc2.    Everything is energy and interchangeable with energy, and everything is basically a vibration, going by string theory. So if you were 100% science biased, science has proven the everything is just vibrational energy anyway!

So chi, NEW, chakras, whatever you want to call it - it doesn't matter what is the label and how it's interpreted by scientists and non scientists.  It's still the most significant aspect of any new exploration - it's really that simple, to ignore it is quite foolish.
But then, one person said the whole world went around the sun, and the whole world didn't believe him, we thought the world was flat, so we move on with our understanding.
The problem lies in everything, people who can't take giant leaps in thought and imagination, will take a very long time to  catch up, until they do they won't believe anything - they are a victim of there own belief systems. My experience is just give them info, and just wait. You won't change their belief system so don't try.  
You wouldn't want  a Christian to be Forced into being a muslim, it just isn't going to happen.  You can't force an african tribe to believe we've been on the moon - no point even trying, their belief system doesn't allow it - it's that simple.

I'll give you a very simple example, a very geeky one.

Many people purchase a Playstaion, and won't play anything else.
Many people purchase a XBOX and won't play anything else.
These people are pretty much incompatible, even playing the same
game, as each game has minor differences.

Now enlightened souls with open minds (the kind of people who come up with e=mc2) are a little smarter.
They own a  Playstation and XBOX, and play all the games, they have a wider experience, and they can switch and talk to both types of people, the people with XBOXs and people with Playstations. They don't need or even tell their playstation friends, they have a XBOX, they don't need to the topic won't arise. And if it does, they can join in if they want, but they don't.

Now look at me, I've got a Playstation, XBOX and GAMECUBE and when the new consoles I'll have a PSX3,  XBOX2 and NINTENDO REVOLUTION,
PSP, Gameboy DS and anything comes out worth playing with.

So I've got a open mind and no bias, I actually have more fun, than sticking with one game console.  I have an expanded mind, and  just exploring "game space" as I'm a game-space  explorer with a completely open mind.

OK, geeky example, but I hope you get my point.  If someone is into phasing, they aren't that smart if they discount NEW and other methods, and examine them. Now if they start putting down NEW people, they have no hope to explore new worlds, and really are missing the point.

If someone uses NEW methods, and doesn't even look at Phasing methods, they aren't that smart.  Now if they start putting down Phasing people, they have no hope to explore new world, and really missing the point.


Think about Einstien,every day I think about it amazes me, it took ages and many years for people to even start proving his theories.
He had to take such mental leaps, and keep an open mind, to the extreme. All new discoveries, mean leaving everything behind, and starting again a new, using everything before your guide, not just one thing - EVERYTHING !

So where am I coming from?  I'm a true explorer of new frontiers.
I can learn any terminology, and willing to learn and try anything.
I'm will to in effect learn and many languages and "cultures" that are necessary to expand my mind   they are all tools I need for greater deeper understanding. I can converse with any type of closed mindset, and work on their level, no matter how low or basic or limited.
I want to understand everything and explore everthing.

SO I suspect I fall in the  1% or less of people who can do this, on this planet, the rest take sides, and waste a lot of time on very petty not even relevant stuff, it's just noise to me - doesn't expant my mind.

I want to expand my mind, That means learning every thing.


I'll leave you with one thought, based on my geeky example.

Who do you think has the most fun, when they go into a gamestore with a sale on?

Well, the 1% or less people, who've got every console !!!
Everythings a bargain !! * EVERYTHING * you can pick up anything and talk to anyone  - no matter what thier bias.

Now that's smart thinking.

Hi mactombs,

Quote from: mactombsThis seems to suggest that in order to project you need to develop an ethereal body made out of chi. Not so.

Did you really interpret my words that way?  I'm just curious.  It's like I am in a parallel universe when posting at this site, lol.  No offense.  Development ***helps***  Just like you can force your engine to rotate without oil inside, but oil sure makes it better.

Paul

Hi BillionNamesofGod,

Have you tried Monroes HemiSync?  It seems like it may be the ticket for some people.

Paul

hemisync is good, it can get u into the trance state in NO time. the other day i put it on and in a few minutes it felt like i was freefalling.

i own every videogame console!!!!!!!!!!!! i win

Quote from: pmlonlineHi BillionNamesofGod,

Have you tried Monroes HemiSync?  It seems like it may be the ticket for some people.

Paul

yeah, but where do I get the monroe files from?
Can anyone send me a copy?
someone said they were on p2p networks, but I've never found them.

i could upload 2 of the hemisync lucid dreaming series tapes if u want them