Linear A

[AndrewTheSinger]

There was a thread about a person who didn't know what to do when out of body, so I suggested he tried to learn things of the past civilizations and so on.

I mentioned the script called Linear A.

From wikipedia:

Linear A is an undeciphered script used in ancient Crete. Its decipherment is one of the "holy grails" of ancient scripts.

A related script, Linear B, was deciphered in the 1950s by Michael Ventris as representing an ancient form of Greek.

Though the two scripts share many of the same symbols, using the syllables associated with Linear B in Linear A writings produces words that are unrelated to any known language. This language has been dubbed Minoan or Eteocretan, and corresponds to a period in Cretan history prior to a series of invasions by Mycenean Greeks around 1400 BC.

As the Minoan language is lost to the modern day, it is unknown whether or not a given decipherment is the correct decipherment, or merely gibberish being generated by an incorrect mapping of symbols to sounds. Until further breakthroughs are made, the content of documents written in Linear A remains a mystery.

In 2001, the journal Ugarit-Forschungen, Band 32 [1] [2] published the article "The First Inscription in Punic—Vowel Differences in Linear A and B" by Jan Best, claiming to demonstrate how and why Linear A notates an archaic form of Phoenician.

Around the same time, M. Tsikritsis, a Greek computer scientist and a text analysis specialist used a statistical and machine comparison of Linear A and Linear B symbols to conclude that Linear A was an early aeolic dialect of Greek, and essentially a form of Linear B with a variety of archaisms.

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Today I had an experience in which I flew into a store full of old workmanship, and asked the seller if he knew about the Linear A script. I said that in the world where my physical body was lying no one had yet found out the meaning of that script, so I would be very glad if he could explain to me. He said 'sure', and told me what it was about.

I wonder if somebody could devote an experience to ask the same thing to an astral archeologist or something. If you could receive the same answer as me then that would mean something.


Below are some links:

http://www.nb.no/baser/schoyen/4/4.4/441.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_A

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaistos_Disc


If you have the chance, please test it, I think I found something.

[BillionNamesofGod]

Saw a great Documentary on BBC3 (in UK) about Linear B.

The guy who solved it devoted his life to it, and when he solved it, went mad and killed himself.

Sometimes, it's best to leave things a mystery, otherwise, you'll have nothing to do.

The process of problem solving and having a goal is clearly the best time.

- it all seems to fall apart if things do get solved.

Would be Great to have some genius look at OOBE and document and research everything, after all, understanding the Astral is a far greater goal.


I also really can't comprehend someone who can OBE and has nothing to do! People like dream of having OBE to do all these things, and people who can naturally, are bored stiff - seem like the wrong people have natural talent for OBES!

[aslegnat]

And what about Voynich manuscript ?
ASlegnAT

[BillionNamesofGod]

And what about Voynich manuscript ?
ASlegnAT

FAKE

Again,  BBC documentary.

Very Very disappointing.  It's Nice looking gibberish, by some 17th Century Con Artist to get money out of people with more cash than sense.

What an anti climax!

[AndrewTheSinger]

Hmm, I didn't know about that. Looked for some info and found the biography of Michael Ventris.

Sure it's fun to search, I'm not saying we're gonna discover everything about the mystery, but since the astral dimension can be a source of information it's good we try to find out how far we can go.

The information that we get is obviously suspicious and not enough to fill the demands of the scientific community. Though it can still be a valid approach.

Never heard about the Voynich manuscript, but read some things about it on the internet and it seemed to be a hoax.

[AndrewTheSinger]

This is a Linear A tablet from Crete, dating to about 1450 B.C. The signs were written with a sharp point into a tablet of damp clay, which later was accidentally baked in a fire which destroyed the building it was in. This script, used to write the Minoan language, has never been deciphered. Many of the signs of the Linear B script (used to write Mycenaean Greek) seem to be derived from it. This tablet is approximately life-size on your screen.

[BillionNamesofGod]

Since Linear B is solved, Linear A is just not that interesting, it's clearly related to Linear A.


THe question is more, why can't we use astral experiences to learn more about the astral world?

Is it just more or can't we see the wood for the trees?

[AndrewTheSinger]

Well, I have gotten a response, it is probably wrong cause it seems too simple. What I want to know really is how similar our findings can be when we question about the unknown.

Simply just ask anyone in the astral 'What is the Linear A about?'.

Whatever you hear I'm interested to know.

[AndrewTheSinger]

THe question is more, why can't we use astral experiences to learn more about the astral world?

The problem with exploring the astral world is that the plane doesn't exist if we don't have the curiosity to explore it's particularities. It's like when you're flying and you feel that the images and the landscape are forming at the same moment that you look at them. There was nothing there before you arrived, and it's only there because you are there.

[BillionNamesofGod]

THe question is more, why can't we use astral experiences to learn more about the astral world?

The problem with exploring the astral world is that the plane doesn't exist if we don't have the curiosity to explore it's particularities. It's like when you're flying and you feel that the images and the landscape are forming at the same moment that you look at them. There was nothing there before you arrived, and it's only there because you are there.

huh?

I honestly don't get what are saying. can you explain?

[AndrewTheSinger]

Maybe I don't understand what you want to know. What I'm saying is that maybe the astral world doesn't exist on it's own, it is not a destination but a path you go through to get somewhere else. Things seem to take shape as we walk and look around, and it could mean we don't really walk on a road that was previously created, but rather we perceive informations that flow through many sources and as we get in contact with these currents of data we translate them into things that we know.

[BillionNamesofGod]

Maybe I don't understand what you want to know. What I'm saying is that maybe the astral world doesn't exist on it's own, it is not a destination but a path you go through to get somewhere else. Things seem to take shape as we walk and look around, and it could mean we don't really walk on a road that was previously created, but rather we perceive informations that flow through many sources and as we get in contact with these currents of data we translate them into things that we know.

Sorry to be stupid, still don't get what you are saying.
Some people believe waking life is a just a computer simulation, so it doesn't matter if the astral world exists or not.

I'm saying why can't be OBE and get more information, about how best to OBE, and more information how the astral  etc.. functions.
So far it's purely speculation, based on experiences of people, nothing solid really, i.e. what are the facts.

like what is the silver cord? what is it function.
Almost like a scientist.


Far more useful than "what is Linear A?".

I mean if there are entities on other realms that can tell us how to OBE,
and what is the proper way  - that would be useful.

[AndrewTheSinger]

And that's exactly what I'm saying. One way to learn this things is by having experiments like this one I'm posing here.

You can test it yourself, how many times have you been able to go out of body just by simply willing to be out of body? And how many times have you gone out of body with a very specific intent, to test something, to visit a friend or discover something?

Your chances are better when you have a plan.

How do you get an infant to walk? The baby doesn't think "Well, I'm gonna see what it feels like to walk.". You just stand away and lure him. He doesn't even think about walking, all he wants is to get closer to you.

In the same way you can't think about just going Astral, because there's nothing there if you aren't looking for something.

[BillionNamesofGod]

And that's exactly what I'm saying. One way to learn this things is by having experiments like this one I'm posing here.

You can test it yourself, how many times have you been able to go out of body just by simply willing to be out of body? And how many times have you gone out of body with a very specific intent, to test something, to visit a friend or discover something?

Your chances are better when you have a plan.

How do you get an infant to walk? The baby doesn't think "Well, I'm gonna see how it feels like to walk.". You just stand away and lure him. He doesn't even think about walking, all he wants is to get closer to you.

In the same way you can't think about just going Astral, because there's nothing there if you aren't looking for something.

mmm.. that's not what I've read, everwhere there does not have to be a purpose to OBE.  Some person even posted he was bored to hell having "spontaneous" OBES and didn't know what to do.
The old masters report having spontaneous OBES with no purpose or meaning!   They clearly have no plan, or even know why or how they OBE, it just happens, so on many many levels your argument makes no sense.
The great Robert Monroe is classic example - he was natural projector.

If you are so skilled at OBE perhaps you can share with us your  techniques, rather than be cryptic!

[AndrewTheSinger]

How can you be so sure there wasn't a purpose? Maybe they are trying to be enlightened, trying to reach God, trying to unveil the secrets of their own existence.

There has to be a purpose, even if it is an unconscious purpose.

Some person even posted he was bored to hell having "spontaneous" OBES and didn't know what to do.

See, he has the obes but goes nowhere with them. You might have many experiences, but if you don't find a meaning for them they will get you nowhere.

What happened to the old masters? Did they just sit there and stare? Stare at what? Sit where? I believe they might have had something in mind.

I clearly stated that the chances are better when you have a plan, I'm not saying you can't obe without a plan, but I doubt you'll get something useful out of it.

It doesn't matter at what point of the experience you make the plan, you just need to make a choice. Even if you decide you want to sit and float, that's a plan. To me a person without a plan just looks around, gets confused, doesn't know where to go, snaps back into the body.

I'm trying to be as clear as I can. I've shared my techniques many times, there's nothing new about them. What I find more important than techniques, are plans.

[AndrewTheSinger]

I think that a better way to say this is that you don't explore the Astral World, you explore yourself through the Astral World.

[Eternity1]

I had an astral being show me an odd looking gadget with clay symbols hanging from it. It functioned like an "sideways abacus" and this man was trying to show me how it worked but I don't remember. He made it look very simple and seemed frustrated that I didn't "get it". The symbols were similar to astrological symbols; more similar to the symbols I saw on the post with the Linear picture (BTW thanks!); They were made of what looked like clay and all 3 dimensional. It seemed to be an important tool. Maybe this is just another meaningless jot in my journal, but has anyone else seen this, and if not just a figment of my imagination, remember its' function?

[BillionNamesofGod]

I had an astral being show me an odd looking gadget with clay symbols hanging from it. It functioned like an "sideways abacus" and this man was trying to show me how it worked but I don't remember. He made it look very simple and seemed frustrated that I didn't "get it". The symbols were similar to astrological symbols; more similar to the symbols I saw on the post with the Linear picture (BTW thanks!); They were made of what looked like clay and all 3 dimensional. It seemed to be an important tool. Maybe this is just another meaningless jot in my journal, but has anyone else seen this, and if not just a figment of my imagination, remember its' function?

wow that sounds cool, can you expand more how you met this being, and give us some greater context?

[AndrewTheSinger]

Holy cow, Eternity1, I'm jumping in joy!!

Can I say yet what the astral man told me? I don't wanna influence peoples experience so I would like to keep it secret until one more person tell us what he has found?

[AndrewTheSinger]

Eternity1, can you tell me when you had your experience? Were you trying to figure out the Linear A script, or it just happened in the past and now you found the symbols were similar?

[Eternity1]

I had actually never even heard of Linear A until I saw the post with the picture of the tablet on it.

Here is what I wrote in my journal on June 3, 2005:
I am in a very modern, formal 2-story building. Things are very "white and clear". I am intrigued with this place. I look down out the window and see a creek running in the back yard, just along side the building. It seems to be Fall and it's beautiful. There are a couple of "gurus" here. (I call any beings that I think may be teachers gurus.) They are dressed in white and have long hair, pulled back. All are men. One in particular is showing me a unique wind-chime thing with clay symbols hanging from it. It's almost like a sideways abacus. The other gurus look on with great interest. The symbols dangling from this thing seem to be astronomical signs or something like it, maybe symbols from another universe? The gurus seemed discouraged that I am not getting the idea of how this thing works. I know it is important but I am distracted by my surroundings. It's so beautiful here. I then recall a metal wire inserted into my right index finger. It's painful and looks like a twisted fishhook. As I look at it, it disappears underneath my skin.

OK, tell me AndrewTheSinger, is this something important or just a crazy experience (?).

[AndrewTheSinger]

Oh, it's hard to say, it could have been anything. Teachings like this, and specially from 'gurus' always have a value. For their symbolic figure represents knowledge and aptness, but the information that was passed to you could have come from anywhere, since you were not on any quest.

I would take it as a meaningful experience because it's not everyday astral gurus teaches us how to operate mysterious abacuses, however it would be too precipitated for me to relate it to Linear A, though we found some things in common.

[AndrewTheSinger]

[Eternity1]

I am always on a quest. It just wasn't for Linear A.