Lucid Dream & OBE Timer

[personalreality]

I'm putting this in OBE/AP experiences because this timer can induce Lucid Dreams as well as the mind awake/body asleep state that is ideal for OBE/AP.

I made this Lucid Dream timer based on the Saltcube/Lucidology Timer.  This uses the alarmMP3 from their "Make Your Own Timer" stuff.

Here's the megaupload link

*removed the link to the huge file - uploaded it again, much smaller

And I made it so you don't have to worry about the safety of downloading it, I promise I didn't put any viruses in it.  lol 

[Xanth]

Downloading yours right now.

I tried my "tweaked" one this morning...
The spikes didn't wake me.  LoL  FAIL! 

I'll try yours tomorrow morning and see where it gets me.
I think I need to make one that is annoyingly loud.  LOL

In any case, I'm uploading my tweaked one for others to download in the hopes it might work for them.

[horaciocs]

I have a major issue using these, I need to wear earphones for I sleep in the same room as my brother! If the plugs fall off I'm busted :p

What timings did you use, PR?

*omg 738mb did you mean to fit a regular cd? I'll dl it and try to make it a mp3 file

[catmeow]

I have a major issue using these, I need to wear earphones for I sleep in the same room as my brother! If the plugs fall off I'm busted :p

You can use an audio pillow:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Soundasleep-266888-Sound-Asleep-Pillow/dp/B000XS42RQ/

[personalreality]

I think I need to make one that is annoyingly loud. 

Because it doesn't have any binurals or anything behind it, you can set the levels based on the alarm time and won't be bothered by the binurals while trying to make the alarm loud enough.

*omg 738mb did you mean to fit a regular cd? I'll dl it and try to make it a mp3 file

it's wav and i didn't compress it, my bad.  i made it with audio production software.  i'll try to compress it and upload it again.

also, i just wear the headphones cause i sleep with my woman and don't wanna wake her up. 

[personalreality]

here's the link to the compressed file

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=F7RPJ500

[horaciocs]

Got it, thanks, I'll try it tonight.

As for the "mp3 pillow", it seems much more confortable than earphones, does the sound come from a single speaker in the middle of it? Because if it came from two speakers on both sides, then certainly the whole room would hear it. People seem to like it, from what I've read. Their are a bit overpriced too, I'm considering building myself one.

[catmeow]

I think there is only 1 speaker in the speaker pillow. I have one but have never tried it!  I bought it for subliminal learning tapes. I s'pose you could just put a speaker under your pillow, but that probably wouldn't be too comfortable!  But I suspect the speaker pillow is more comfortable than headphones!

[Jarrod]

Hey Personalreality.  Is there another way I can access that timer file you made?  I'd like to give it a try but I'm in Hong Kong and am not allowed access to where it's at.

[Xanth]

Jarrod,
You'd have to give him the web address for somewhere that he can upload it so you can download it.

[personalreality]

Google "How to download megaupload in Hong Kong".

It's odd because from what I understand Megaupload was created in Hong Kong.

You have to use a proxy to do it, but it can still be difficult.

If you come across an upload site that I can upload to in the US and that you can download from in HK let me know and I'll upload it.

[horaciocs]

http://www.4shared.com/audio/8vJ2sf-o/LucidDreamTimer3Min.html


Again, PR, what were your settings?

[personalreality]

Its base 3 so the alarm goes off once to start (which allows you to set the proper volume) then 6,3,6,9,12,15,15,6 minutes. 

I don't know if the directions are clear to everyone.

This timer is to be used as a supplement with the wake back to bed lucid dream/AP technique (or potentially wild).  You wake yourself up with a normal alarm a few hours before you have to get up (I've been getting up at 5am).  Depending on how easily you fall back to sleep you may or may not want to get up and move around for a few minutes but no more than an hour (I choose not to get up at all).  When you go back to bed you put on your headphones or iPod dock or whatever and start the timer.  You'll hear one cycle of the alarm and you use this first alarm to set your volume.  Then just go back to sleep.  I'm gonna rip of ron popeil and tell you to "Set it! And forget it!".  Let the timer do the work.  The principle is that the repeated awakenings will put your mind in a more awake and lucid state while your body remains asleep (mind awake body asleep anyone).  The saltcube/lucidology people say that you will likely have a lucid dream around the first or second 15 minute alarm.

Good luck.

[Jarrod]

Thanks for the 4shared link horaciocs 

[akakaaykay]

Hello! I've been counting on this method to have OBEs and lucid dreams but it is always not successful.

The main problem being that you must not move your body at all even after you are awaken by the alarm, but I always subconsciously move a little before I realised that I'm not supposed to, but it's too late.

Does it mean that once you moved somewhere during the playing of the timer, you would have to start the timer all over again?

Another thing I am unsure is the "roll over signal". What does 'roll over' mean? Is it the same as moving any part of your body?

[Ruu]

The roll over signal is the language of our body. I believe each of us may have our own signal but in most cases, it's to roll over. What this means is when you're trying to sleep normally - you don't just lay there like a log do you? Often you will 'toss and turn' also known as 'roll over'. If you analyse what happens, you'll notice 'you' dont think about rolling over. You get an URGE to roll over, in which you then go with and think "Ye, I think I should roll over and get into a more comfortable position". Once you roll over, your body knows your not asleep and waits to try again.

So resist this 'urge'. However, you may get this urge in many other forms such as shifting your legs etc.

Luke~

[Xanth]

So really, if you think about it, what you're saying (and the saltcube people) is if you want to fall asleep... you have to NOT MOVE.  >_>

LoL Sorry, but that's kind of a "duh" statement now that I think about it. 

[Ruu]

Well.. that's the blunt way to put it, yes lmao.

It hasn't worked for me yet (without being absolutley shattered), to be honest. I can lay there for ages and I still feel like I'm not 'paralyzed'. It definitely relaxes me and I do definitely understand what he means by the 'resist the urge'. when you're REALLY tired, you really will get an MASSIVE urge to roll over. Just this morning I had a 2 hour cardio session - came home absolutley nackered. By mid day I was feeling 'meh'. Layed down and within about 5 minutes I rolled over without even thinking about it. I then went back to being on my back and the urge came back, 100x intensity. I ignored it and within about a minute my body felt completely different. Not 'paralyzed' but definitely asleep

Luke~

edit:

basically, the whole principal (I believe) is that to QUICKEN the process of entering a MABA state, you need to listen to your body and react accordingly. If you DO roll over, your body knows your mind isn't asleep and it wont go to sleep itself. If you DONT roll over and ignore the signal, you might be able to trick your body into thinking you are asleep and it will go to sleep itself. MABA. Or so its written.

basically.. staying still XD but I need to move about alot to actually sleep.. so I understand where he's coming from.

[Naykid]

I've had plenty of exits right after rolling over, especially in the beginning when I was trying for a conscious projection.   It seemed after I rolled over within minutes I would start feeling the vibrations.  Maybe next time you get the urge, go right ahead, just make sure you keep your mind alert. 

[Firmitas]

I tried the OBE timer last night but I think I ended up sleeping through the whole thing. Maybe I was too tired. Ill try turning up the Volume next time too

-Firmitas

[Ruu]

I put Xanth's on my iphone and it kept bugging up o-o... Almost like it was freezing. No idea why.

What I need... is like.. a 6 hour first timer, so that after the 6 hours it will then start. I actually did wake up a couple hours earlier than I normally do - but I still woke up naturally.. rather than being interrupted. I so want to see some light in this whole astral projection business =[...

I'll try again with PR's tomorrow morning.

Luke~

[Xanth]

I put Xanth's on my iphone and it kept bugging up o-o... Almost like it was freezing. No idea why.

What I need... is like.. a 6 hour first timer, so that after the 6 hours it will then start. I actually did wake up a couple hours earlier than I normally do - but I still woke up naturally.. rather than being interrupted. I so want to see some light in this whole astral projection business =[...

I'll try again with PR's tomorrow morning.

Luke~

Nono, you're missing the point of how it works.

First, you're supposed to wake up... then, you can either get up for a short period (15-ish minutes) to wake up your mind a bit, OR immediately turn it on.

Mine didn't wake me up either, I slept right through the spikes.  LoL

[akakaaykay]

Haha wow this is really a very active forum, I'm loving it. Okay, last night I used the OBE timer again. I woke up at 0530, walk around the house and read a little newspaper till 0600 before I went back to start the timer. But the problem that caused me failure this time, is me not being able to know whether my OBE timer has ended or not. After a long time of waking and sleeping, I looked at my mp3, only to find out it was still going halfway. ):

Is it okay if I add like a song or something different to mark the end of the timer? This way, I will definitely know when I can remove the mp3 and finally get some proper sleep. Does the song at the back affect me having an OBE if I happen to have one?

[Xanth]

Haha wow this is really a very active forum, I'm loving it. Okay, last night I used the OBE timer again. I woke up at 0530, walk around the house and read a little newspaper till 0600 before I went back to start the timer. But the problem that caused me failure this time, is me not being able to know whether my OBE timer has ended or not. After a long time of waking and sleeping, I looked at my mp3, only to find out it was still going halfway. ):

Is it okay if I add like a song or something different to mark the end of the timer? This way, I will definitely know when I can remove the mp3 and finally get some proper sleep. Does the song at the back affect me having an OBE if I happen to have one?

That should be fine.
The only thing I can think of is that you might interrupt a Lucid experience and cut it short.  But that's all really.