Lucid dreaming or obe?

[Major Tom]

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[charlamarstrus]

Thankyou for the reply MajorTom
I will sleep better tonight!
Still feels like my head is going to explode just before this
mind/body split.

[complexette]

quote:Originally posted by charlamarstrus

I think i have been lucid dreaming for quite a few years now i belive it came about from many sleepness nights.When my mind is doing overtime and i cannot fall asleep by my own freewill something compressive pulls me in quite intensively i can feel all my body charging/tunnelling then bang! my bodylocks.Sometimes the dreams start with everything seemingly the same as before this unnerving experince, i am in my bedroom iniatially under the impression i still haven't fallen asleep until i start to notice oddity's and energys around my room, now i simply try to levitate if i am of the floor i now know that i am dreaming.
My questions are:
     Is this lucid dreaming?
     Has anyone else felt this overwhelming brain/mind/body
     compressive intesity that draws you to your dreams door?
     Is it healthy for me?

Ello Charlamarstrus,
   
   Does u'r name stand for anything ( just long for Charles )
   I know I'm actually relieved to have a site like this @ my fingertip's. There's so many things I've wondered over the years. When I first started to experience OBE's, there wasn't information on the subject available @ the time. Then when it was available I wanted to develop my original ability's! I wouldn't read anything on the matter. I may have gained sum originality that way but I don't know an awful lot 'bout the subject, other than what I've experienced or analyzed. I know 'bout physical aspects I had to rule out sleep disorder's.
   My version of Lucid dreaming is -u- see in greater depth, color, touch is felt & more sensitive, It might be located on the right side of the brain. R-u- left handed?!? I liked u'r little post of N.L.P -u- really do have to weigh every circumstance in. I do enjoy trying to figure people out, before they tell me though!
   I have a few questions for -u-???
   What makes -u- think u've been lucid dreaming for a few years?
   Are -u- completing things in u'r cognitive day??? For example; if -u- were a Lawyer, had a disturbing case. -U- gave it to u'r secretary to finish the work! U would not be completing this situation till a later date, u would not get the satisfaction of finished results, no instant gratification???  When -u- get into the habit of not completing u'r thought's they will Myst over into u'r subconscious. Dreams -r-u'r subconscious , dont'a know.So could it be disturbing u'r sleep? Could be the onset of u'r not being able to sleep? ( I just learned that Sleep Paralysis is one of the onsets to OBE's.!?)    Another example ( I'm not saying u have any of these things ) A person that has O.C.D. Obsessive Compulsive Disorder Can't stop thinking they didn't turn the stove off, so they keep checking. By the time they get to sleep, they've had no time to relax their brain. ( so could the brain be trying to catch up? )
   Can -u- describe u'r charging / tunneling?
   What do the energy's look like?
   Things to think 'bout??? Do -u- feel grounded in u'r life?
Also check out Astral images, 1/4 of the pg down. There -r- u'r  dolphin's swimming in space!?? Maybe Check out sum of his post's???
P.S. OBE is Out'a Body Experience

[Tombo]

charlamarstrus

I would definitly consider this a lucid dream. when you are dreaming and you become aware of it, thats basically what is called a lucid dream. A seperation between Lucid dream and Obe seems hard to make, when you feel the separation process from your body and your conscious transfers from weakening to out of body without a loss of awareness, I guess then you could call it a OBE.
There is not reason to believe that Lucid dreaming is harmful.

[clandestino]

I believe that the distinction between the two is hard to describe and also quite subjective.

IMO, the difference between LD and OBE is simply knowing in yourself that you are either dreaming, or having an out of body experience. But most people disagree with this view.

[charlamarstrus]

Thanks for the reply Tombodenmann,

They way in which i journey into lucidity is what worries me.
I hope when most people yawn(sleepy) they get a slight numb echoey
sound/compression at the front of the brain, it starts kind of like that but then intensifies on a huge scale i can bring this on naturaly now.
At this point i start to feel my whole body locking/rushing and also i feel some kind of fluid flowing up my spine and linking with the lower back side of my brain.
My body shortly after this is polarised/paralysed, then when all is locked i can really feel the firing of the brain like little electical
ticks or discharges if you like(sometimes slighly painful though and i pull out).
I then get an awesome sense of speed as if my mind is travelling at the speed of light then when i get to the destination BOOOOM i can no longer hear all that activity, it all
goes quite(in lucidity) even though i have started at many strange places its normally as if i haven'nt even moved im in my bedroom thinking i should'nt get up i really need some sleep, but it is the thought of getting up or my astral/soul/auric/body that is now up and about i'm never able to turn and see my real body sleeping though maybe i should work at this.

Hope to cummunicate with you again soon

[Nick]

I believe Clandestino is correct in that the distinction between the two is both subjective and difficult to sort out. We very often get these questions asking others to analyze someone's subjective experience. Though understandable, and perhaps helpful from the standpoint of possible commonalities, the final determination always comes down to the experiencer him/herself.

[charlamarstrus]

I've never in my life thought i want to obe i want to lucid dream but due to my own history and surroundings poor sleeping patterns and an active mind from a very early age has resulted in what i have described above something internally pulls me in as i THOUGHT it would
be good to share and undrestand for myself and others!

[Nick]

Absolutely good to talk about theses things, you are right charlamarstrus. By the way, welcome to the Astral Pulse forums! []

Also, take a look at Astral Dynamics too. If you don't have the book check out our File Library (click on the link above) or else visit http://www.astralpulse.com and read over the Treatise on OBE and also the materials on NEW Energy development. You may find some of what you are experiencing expressed there too.

Again, welcome, and looking forward to your posts.


Very best,

[charlamarstrus]

Thankyou for your welcoming words,

Hope all is well in "Nicks World" and look forward to sharing future
experinces and delving my mind into more astral literature.

Charles

[catmeow]

Hello charlamarstrus!

I'm one of those who does distinguish between OOB's and LD's.  I think that essentially the difference is that OOB's are "real" and LD's are "dreams"...

erm....

Your experience of starting from wakefulness and going to catalepsy accompanied by various energy sensations, followed by a sudden transition (the "boom"), after which you are able to move away from your body and even turn around and see it... sounds like classic OOB to me!

Sounds perfectly HEALTHY to me too, so please don't worry about it.

If it were me, I'd just go with the experience and see what happens.  Have you tried moving away from your bedroom and seeing what happens?!!

catmeow

[charlamarstrus]

Hello Catmeow,

This O.B.E/L.D normally starts in my bedroom i normally exit through
the ceiling or the window and go for a fly around town, i have never liked flying in real life the sense of detachment from earths soil has always had a scary effect on me but not in my O.B.E/L.D.

I actually said in one of my previous posts that i'm NEVER able to see
my real body sleeping but i can feel some energys in my room maybe thats my real body??

Sometimes when i'm consciously dreaming the more i try to manipulate my dreams the less lucid they become!!

Write to you soon and i'll keep a look out for your future subjects/post

I am really suffering with bad gum/toothache at the moment wisdom teeth are not giving me any wisdom aaarrrgg grrrrhh
can someone transmit some healingons my way please.

Seeya meow

[holy reality]

quote:Originally posted by charlamarstrus

Thanks for the reply Tombodenmann,

They way in which i journey into lucidity is what worries me.
I hope when most people yawn(sleepy) they get a slight numb echoey
sound/compression at the front of the brain, it starts kind of like that but then intensifies on a huge scale i can bring this on naturaly now.
At this point i start to feel my whole body locking/rushing and also i feel some kind of fluid flowing up my spine and linking with the lower back side of my brain.
My body shortly after this is polarised/paralysed, then when all is locked i can really feel the firing of the brain like little electical
ticks or discharges if you like(sometimes slighly painful though and i pull out).
I then get an awesome sense of speed as if my mind is travelling at the speed of light then when i get to the destination BOOOOM i can no longer hear all that activity, it all
goes quite(in lucidity) even though i have started at many strange places its normally as if i haven'nt even moved im in my bedroom thinking i should'nt get up i really need some sleep, but it is the thought of getting up or my astral/soul/auric/body that is now up and about i'm never able to turn and see my real body sleeping though maybe i should work at this.

Hope to cummunicate with you again soon

wow so you can do this at will? or just naturally when you fall asleep?

Not me... I can go into paralysis unconsciously, and then I jolt into awareness but I'm not paralyzed anymore and I feel the paralysis rush in/disappear at the same time (delayed sensory input, I theorize)...

that's it.. even sitting up with my back straight doesn't work, i still fall asleep for a few seconds, and waver in and out and in and out until one time i get deep enough for the jolt to be severe enough to feel fading paralysis.

annoying... very very annoying.

But it's normal, your body shuts down when you sleep, to keep you from acting out your dreams.

[charlamarstrus]

I think i have been lucid dreaming for quite a few years now i belive it came about from many sleepness nights.When my mind is doing overtime and i cannot fall asleep by my own freewill something compressive pulls me in quite intensively i can feel all my body charging/tunnelling then bang! my bodylocks.Sometimes the dreams start with everything seemingly the same as before this unnerving experince, i am in my bedroom iniatially under the impression i still haven't fallen asleep until i start to notice oddity's and energys around my room, now i simply try to levitate if i am of the floor i now know that i am dreaming.
My questions are:
     Is this lucid dreaming?
     Has anyone else felt this overwhelming brain/mind/body
     compressive intesity that draws you to your dreams door?
     Is it healthy for me?