how to control the hypnagogic?

[weagle]

found some answers to my questions I might as well post it to others here is a site that describes verbal techniques to bypass do checks on the body its at http://www.geocities.com/janice240obe/tips1.html

basically as you drift to sleep mentally have a song running in your mind and keep on focusing on it only while watching the images and don't let any other verbal thought enter your mind towards the hypnagogic images as you just see them only, if you see you are messing up the song then start doing some checks(ie body heaviness/vibrations/physical body perception if you feel them then try to walk out of your body) then go back to recounting again if you don't feel the checks.  Interesting technique I'll probably give it a shot especially when falling asleep (let alone the 5hour sleep wakeup 30min then try technique).  There are some other interesting techniques if you wake up in a lucid dream and have a fake obe (dreambody) and want the dreambody to be more alert instead of partially alert its described there as well.  I'd have to give this person the credit for the techniques cause I have yet to see anyone else talk about them.

[Risu no Kairu]

Yeah... I've had three experiences with hypnogogic images.

First time, I fell asleep after being absorbed into what was going on, second time, I woke up because my dog started barking at me, and today, my third try, I started to be absorbed, but I realized it was all fake. I never went to sleep, and I could sorta feel my body. So, when I tried to take control of the images, I couldn't. My family woke up, and they started to fade (the images.)

But I guess I'm getting closer to a projection!

[weagle]

have to agree there too if you have gotten some control over hypnagogic images you're one step close to CONSCIOUS obe or atleast astral projection (ie obe from a dream state).  What is annoying is you don't remember what sucked you into your dreamstate if you fail at the hypnagogic imagery so you can take notice next time what to do to improve it.  I guess that is probably another thing one has to master if they want to be able to obe consciously cause most people would just fall asleep.  I'm also getting the impression that people can only pull off a few obe's or astral projections per day because I can pull them off mostly from the lucid dream state but it's mixed with dream imagery but even so I can only do it at most one to two times in a day cause you just get too tired and aren't alert/focused anymore and just want to fall asleep.  I would love to know how to bypass the hypnagogic state get even deeper which is the conscious obe state, I pulled it off only once where I did not have no hypnagogic's whatsoever it just happened spontaenously when my body was a bit tired and mind still alert.  Oh well practice makes perfect I guess.

[weagle]

I had an interesting scenario today, I was able for the first time to control my hypnagogic but not fully.  I did the 5hours sleep 30mins awake then fall asleep technique to stay alert.  As I was falling asleep I was paying attention to the images that was going to flash in my face (hypnagogic).  I literally felt the transition from wake into the dream state, I tried not to interact with the images in front of me, I did not want to see the images in front of me anymore so I said astral project, then all of a sudden I partially wokeup trying to get out but I wasn't in deep relaxation/sleep yet so I couldn't get out completely then I woke up for real.  Whats freaky I tried it again and again I saw the exact same dream scenario (where I usually work in real life), I started to interact then stopped and wanted to astral project so instead of astral projecting I just woke up.  This is very annoying because it looks to me I am getting a partial control over this conscious projection stuff the only thing is what was I supposed to do in this scenario if I was alert and I couldn't shutdown the hypnagogic images/first dream scene when I was fully alert and could of commanded anything in order to do a conscious projection from this?  I recall a conscious obe from a lucid dreaming you need to go into a state where you see through your closed eyelids on your bed and feeling your body paralysing even more before you come out (happened once) just that this time it would not take the command fully, I wonder if there are any other techniques that will almost guarantee a full blown obe like a conscious obe from this.  Its just annoying when you are going through what robert bruce says in order to astral project and still there are stumbling blocks not explained about.