How Real-Time are Projections?

[Xanth]

the way is see it is if it was that easy to manipulate the physical from the RTX, wouldnt an awful lot of people be feeling strange pinches and signs from people who they know who are OBE? Lets be realistic; it would be alot more common if it was able to happen.

Poltergeist? 

[Alfera]

Lets be realistic; it would be alot more common if it was able to happen.

not common but not impossible

wouldnt an awful lot of people be feeling strange pinches and signs from people who they know who are OBE?

i guess he believed that she will feel the pinch and she did
what you believe plays a big role if you believe you can pinch the person then you have more chance to pinch the person and if you dont believe you have no chance to pinch the person
and even if someone pinched someone and later verified we cant know unless that someone wants to share his/her experiences

[Threepwood]

This comes down to seeing and believing. SkepticBoy, you would believe once you experience something similar yourself. Until then you won't believe. That's just what I'm facing now with Projecting.

[no_leaf_clover]

Most of the time its hard to even validate the RTZ let alone go ahead and manipulate the physical world from RTZ.

The "physical world" is an illusion my friend.  There is no great scientific axiom proving the reality of reality, and there never will be.  Like John Lennon said, a dream we all dream together is reality.  When you change someone's perception,  when someone perceives that they were pinched,  then they were pinched.  There is nothing else to make a distinction except other people.

[Xanth]

The "physical world" is an illusion my friend.  There is no great scientific axiom proving the reality of reality, and there never will be.  Like John Lennon said, a dream we all dream together is reality.  When you change someone's perception,  when someone perceives that they were pinched,  then they were pinched.  There is nothing else to make a distinction except other people.

Ah, but there's also nothing disproving it. 
But really... we would have to agree upon a definition of "reality" before we can start to provide proof for anything. 

[Threepwood]

The "physical world" is an illusion my friend.

Everyone Keeps saying that, and every book keeps quoting that. Does that mean that each person perceives reality differently. That doesn't make sense, entirely. By that logic, say you and a friend meet someone. That someone COULD look entirely different through your eyes, and in the eyes of your friend.

[kurtykurt42]

The image of the world that appears in the mind is very different from the actual physical world, and in two complimentary ways.

On the one hand, our image of reality is more than physical reality in so far as it contains many qualities not present in the latter. Take my experience of the color green, for example. There may be light of various frequencies, but the light itself is not green. Nor are the electrical impulses that are transmitted from the eye to the brain. There is no color there. The green I see is a quality created in consciousness. It exists only as a subjective experience in the mind.

On the other hand, our image of reality is less than physical reality in so far as there are many aspects of the external world that we never experience.

Our eyes, for example, are sensitive only to light in the narrow frequency range from 430,000 to 750,000 gigahertz (a gigahertz is a billion cycles per second). At lower frequencies are infrared (below red) radiation, and lower still are microwaves and radio waves. At higher frequencies we find ultraviolet (above violet) rays, and beyond them X-rays and gamma-rays. Our eyes detect none of these other frequencies, and our image of reality represents but a tiny fraction of what is there.

[Threepwood]

The image of the world that appears in the mind is very different from the actual physical world, and in two complimentary ways.

On the one hand, our image of reality is more than physical reality in so far as it contains many qualities not present in the latter. Take my experience of the color green, for example. There may be light of various frequencies, but the light itself is not green. Nor are the electrical impulses that are transmitted from the eye to the brain. There is no color there. The green I see is a quality created in consciousness. It exists only as a subjective experience in the mind.

On the other hand, our image of reality is less than physical reality in so far as there are many aspects of the external world that we never experience.

Our eyes, for example, are sensitive only to light in the narrow frequency range from 430,000 to 750,000 gigahertz (a gigahertz is a billion cycles per second). At lower frequencies are infrared (below red) radiation, and lower still are microwaves and radio waves. At higher frequencies we find ultraviolet (above violet) rays, and beyond them X-rays and gamma-rays. Our eyes detect none of these other frequencies, and our image of reality represents but a tiny fraction of what is there.

There is no Spoon.

[Panthau]

There is no Spoon.

Not even a rusty one? :-/

[Xanth]

Not even a rusty one? :-/

There is no rust either! 

[no_leaf_clover]

Does that mean that each person perceives reality differently. That doesn't make sense, entirely. By that logic, say you and a friend meet someone. That someone COULD look entirely different through your eyes, and in the eyes of your friend.

Reality is just an illusion, but don't try to force what the word "illusion" must therefore mean.  Just let it come to you in bits and pieces.

Reality is really a collection of illusions.  The first important illusion is "you," when you say "I." "You" don't really exist.  There is not a single "you" there talking to a single "me."  "You" are the convenient self-referencing brain program that lies to you and tells you that you are the same "thing" that you were 7 seconds ago, 7 hours ago, or even 7 years ago.  But you are not.  Your cells die and are replaced, your beliefs and emotional behaviors change over time, everything about you changes over time so that you are never the same.  And you are in fact made of billions/trillions of discrete parts working together to make a coherent whole.  You are not one thing,  you are TONS of things working together to create an ILLUSION, a complete and total illusion that you are "one thing."  When you obviously are not.

But therein is the answer to the issue, whether or not two human beings would see the same thing.  Two human beings seem to be much more alike than different because of the energy structures that make them up being very similar.  The DNA from either of them would probably seem to interact/interpret reality about the same.  Does that really mean anything?  I have no way of knowing.  No "one" does.  Some things you just can't help, you just have to accept them and go with them until more is revealed.  Or else just deny them I guess.

[Panthau]

I like how you describe it, leafe