Mental illness and astral experiences??

micko · March 04, 2005, 02:57:08

Just another random thought i came up with.. but could alot of mental illnesses be in fact related to the person having information passed from their astral body to themselves? Things such as schizophrenia where people hear voices in their heads, could this be the same as where one is about to project and hears voices? Also could they be viewing the world through their astral eyes or something similar, as they often see distortions in reality..,?

Just a thought

skydust · March 04, 2005, 10:34:54

good question.. ive been thinking of the same thing. my dad warned be about trying to AP cause he said hed heard of someone who AP-ed and never came back fully and got schitzo. i dont know if its true, and from what ive read here there are no dangers to AP-ing so i dont know what to think. also if someone halluciantes and sees things that arent really there, is that a form of astral sight?

Telos · March 04, 2005, 11:25:56

Anne Varnes of AstralVoyage.com maintains that the brain is a "filter" for the higher dimensions. I have not read Robert Monroe (his books are not found in any library of my county) and but I think I read somewhere else in this forum that he thinks the same thing. Since Varnes is also an avid reader of Monroe, I think that's where she got that word. I'm not sure what Robert Bruce says.

The filter hypothesis states that severe mental illnesses are the result of a damaged filter unable to physically tame the creative chaos of higher planes. Complimentary to this is strong evidence to show that psychotic illnesses like schizophrenia are the result of brain abnormalities. Under this framework, you can only give yourself mental illness if you damage your filter. Notice, the brain is already withstanding and channeling the powers of higher planes, so these higher planes cannot by themselves damage your filter! It requires either conscious intervention on your part, or by some accident occurring in the physical (genetic mutation at birth, genetic proclivity in the family tree, brain cell decay, cancer, etc.). Whether or not you view these as "accidents" is another matter, I guess...

Anyways, I'm not sure what I think exactly about the relationship between astral projection and mental illness, but I know that it's very easy to give yourself mental illness if you take leave of your self-responsibility. If you keep that in check, I think you'll be fine.

mactombs · March 04, 2005, 12:48:47

I think that's a great response, Telos - better than what I could say, but pretty much along the same lines.

Of course, whether or not the brain is a filter for supernatural stuff or just a machine is open to debate... I do find it odd though, that disorders have been described to me by psychiatry as an anomaly in how the brain filters. Of course, it is more refering to the filtering of outside stimulous ... but who knows, maybe there is an invisible outside stimulous that only schitzophreniacs can see.

Beero · March 31, 2005, 13:39:54

Further to the earlier posts, are there any dangers to schizophrenics astral projecting? do you think the condition could be worsened by out of body experiences

nanook · March 31, 2005, 14:03:47

actually it is forbidden for psychotic persons to even meditate (in psychological hospitals). one problem of bordeliners schizoides and schizophrenes is, that we have troble growing into our physical bodies both with energy body and astral body. while meditating (calming down) leads to temporary dissociation for the first two groups (BL&schiz.) (wich is not bad as long as you don't do it while driving a car) it can also cause a (not so temporary!!) ego regression for personsons with a psychotic structure. that is the main danger. therapy tries to earthen one and to strengthen the ego.

another thing: antopology says that every organ in the body has a psychic counterpart wich can be visualised or felt. so when you have a hallucination or something similar caused by a psychodelic drug or a psychosis it ist likely, that what you see does not come from a higher plane but from the physical body (you are conected throug the energybody wich is probably represented by the silverchord)
that means you need to be suspicious about your visions no matter wheter you are psychotic or not.

i had a suspicious ego regression (on salvia divinorum drug not due to psychosis) where i was cought in an endles incarnative loop. horror!! it could well have been an simple identification with my hearbeat or with my breath. if this was "real" i'd have to say we all live in hell and god is just a plain sardistic vampire like the matrix machines. luckily i dont have to believe that due to the organ theorie.

excuse my bad english and correct me if i said someting wrong about the antroposophical soulmodel. i just read a few pages from rudolf steiner who ist verry popular at least in germany.

Beero · April 01, 2005, 04:15:36

Hi could energy-raising like used in New Energy Ways help with schizophrenia, or may it make matters worse? Robert Bruce appears to suggest in his book that it is safe & can help with most conditions.
From Craig

clandestino · April 01, 2005, 05:20:31

hi Micko, I like this topic.... IMO, there's a fine line between the symptoms of some mental illnesses, & the symptoms that we report when we have an "OBE".

Whether or not there is any common ground between the two, its hard to say. I believe that there is.

I'd recommend that people don't "boast" to their friends, or shout out about OBEs. In my experience, this'll only make your friends believe that you are a loony.

Hi there Telos, I agree with what your saying. There does seem to be evidence that the brain is acting as some kind of filter for the "higher" dimensions. Drugs seems to be able to open & close this filter, as does meditation. I hope that you can track down Robert monroe's 3 books, they are excellent. I would send them to you, but I think I've got them back at my parents house in the UK, stored away !

I honestly can't recall whether, within his books, he mentioned that he shared the opinion of the brain being a "filter"....but looking at his books as a whole, I believe he did.
kind regards,
Mark

clandestino · April 01, 2005, 05:22:52

hi...reading my post again, I thought I'd correct something :

QuoteI'd recommend that people don't "boast" to their friends, or shout out about OBEs. In my experience, this'll only make your friends believe that you are a loony.

I don't want to give the impression that all my friends think I'm crazy !
only a few of 'em do ! heh heh.

Mark

aslegnat · April 01, 2005, 13:21:07

Some time ago I post a question for Robert Bruce but I haven't response from him. My question was related to film "The three faces of Eve". This film was a thriller on the "Multiple Personality Disorder Syndrome" subject.
My hypothesis is that such a syndrome is a sequel of an uncontrolled reality shift. What do you thing about it..?
ASlegnAT

micko · April 02, 2005, 00:49:01

Hey clandestino!

Heh yea I have given up trying to explain OBE's and anything astral to my friends. They just give me wierd blank stares. Thats why this forum is so good... you cant see the looks on peoples faces reading it! haha

On an entirely random note.. I just got the Mastering Astral Projection book. Huzzah!

clandestino · April 02, 2005, 03:53:57

Hi there Micko, I know exactly what you mean !

I haven't got "mastering astral projection", but RB's first book was fantastic, and IMO was a major contributing factor into me having several OBEs.

With these book courses, you really have to commit yourself to them. Accept that you won't succeed straight away, and commit yourself to 15mins or 30mins, (or more if you can) practise every day.

Good luck to you !

Mark

Dagalvyi · April 02, 2005, 19:48:06

Hello Micko! And All! This is a very touchy subject. All if anything that is written would be written only from past experience or by some Psychiatrist that may think he/she knows it all. Anyway, here is may past experience. i, for a period of time lived with my Grandmother and my cousin, to wich my Grandmother adopted when she was 4 years old because her mother, my aunt was a paranoid pscizophrenic. My cuz and I slept in bedrooms that were beside each other. Almost every night we would project together. It was rather cool. As time went on my cuz, God bless her soul, became more and more like her mother. She eventually started to hear voices too. I can distinctly remember one of the last times we projected together. It was awful. She was screaming for something or somebody to leave her alone. Then I kept being pulled to her room. I had a bad feeling and tried to fight it, but I couldn't. Finally she won. My spirit was pulled into her room at her bedside. She said to me in a very stern voice "Will you take these demons over me?" Then i woke up! Talk about a frightening experience! I could never talk to her again about the fun we had. She was now under Doctors care for her newly found disease. In a way I think it was because she opened a door that she was not able to handle. I still pray for her every day. So, when you ask if AP can be linked to mental illness, I believe "YES". If a person is not strong enough to deal with these new doors and windows being open to them then it is possible for them to "Go nuts".

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