I have read on here that most cannot project after they have done some partying. I just wanted to say after i wake up from a long night of dinking, i get up do some stuff and will go take a nap. after i wake the first time, i will know if i can AP or not. THe way i feel when i know i can do it is that my mind is awake and my body wants to to rest. this isnt the only time i AP though.
Other times mostly when i am naping and did some meditation the night befor can i do it. but i have to realy want to and put it in my mind that i will do it. sometimes this works and sometimes it dosent, it is much easy for me to do it hung over. When not hung over i dont feel the seperation and i kinda just end up in a dream state that i am really aware of. When i am hung over i can feel everything seperate my feet, hands legs and so on. also the buzzing and loud wind noises have gotton easier to stand, almost enjoy them now cuz i know i am able to get out.
I dont realy have a question, just new here and wanted to let you know how i AP cuz it is much different then most. also have lots of strange things that have happend to me since i have gotton better at AP'ing. the one question i have is has anyone been pulled out befor by anything? right befor i started to get good at Aping i was pulled out and taken to a place. woke up quick tried again, and was pulled out again but just dropped on my floor.. well dont want to make this too long, so hope when i get more stories posted you will enjoy reading them and ask me some questions and not the other way around haha. thanx
You do sound closer to real that what I usually hear here kid. Not to knock other members, but dang, there does seem to be a lot of whining, rules/etiquette and misconceptions bout 'AP' as y'all call it. I'm sixty years old and been trailing the stral for at least fifty of those. Some straight, some buzzed, some after party, but ALL of em take me to the same place. Maybe that's just me, or maybe that's just the truth of it.
By the way, my friends who travel there, say the same thing...
ya i know what you mean, maby im just one of the lucky few who can acctuly do it. i think to many people try to hard. like with energy work and all the other stuff. maby i do the energy work without thinking about it. but in my head i do no such thing. i think you just have to be in the mind set and find a way that works for you. i know when i can do it cuz of how i feel. i dont know haha seems like the AP world is picky on who it lets in haha. like today when i get off work here in about 2 hours i will go home sleep, wake up go back to bed and project. i have my list all ready on what ima do when i get there.
Quote from: the8reader on March 31, 2011, 02:30:42
I have read on here that most cannot project after they have done some partying. I just wanted to say after i wake up from a long night of dinking, i get up do some stuff and will go take a nap. after i wake the first time, i will know if i can AP or not. THe way i feel when i know i can do it is that my mind is awake and my body wants to to rest. this isnt the only time i AP though.
Other times mostly when i am naping and did some meditation the night befor can i do it. but i have to realy want to and put it in my mind that i will do it. sometimes this works and sometimes it dosent, it is much easy for me to do it hung over. When not hung over i dont feel the seperation and i kinda just end up in a dream state that i am really aware of. When i am hung over i can feel everything seperate my feet, hands legs and so on. also the buzzing and loud wind noises have gotton easier to stand, almost enjoy them now cuz i know i am able to get out.
I dont realy have a question, just new here and wanted to let you know how i AP cuz it is much different then most. also have lots of strange things that have happend to me since i have gotton better at AP'ing. the one question i have is has anyone been pulled out befor by anything? right befor i started to get good at Aping i was pulled out and taken to a place. woke up quick tried again, and was pulled out again but just dropped on my floor.. well dont want to make this too long, so hope when i get more stories posted you will enjoy reading them and ask me some questions and not the other way around haha. thanx
LoL Hey there the8reader!
Welcome to the Astral Pulse. :)
Quote from: DraregElder on March 31, 2011, 04:34:23
You do sound closer to real that what I usually hear here kid. Not to knock other members, but dang, there does seem to be a lot of whining, rules/etiquette and misconceptions bout 'AP' as y'all call it.
Just so we're all on the same page, do you suppose you could provide some examples of the above issues you mention?
Not to ruin your sense of unique individuality here, but no two people on this forum who actively project attempt projection or meditate alike, and you certainly aren't the first person to claim alcohol is an assistant to the process.
Quote from: Astral316 on March 31, 2011, 10:29:52
Not to ruin your sense of unique individuality here, but no two people on this forum who actively project attempt projection or meditate alike, and you certainly aren't the first person to claim alcohol is an assistant to the process.
It's funny that alcohol is mentioned.. it really is an individual thing.
One person will say that a single drink will ruin any attempt they make in the near future afterward... while for someone else, like myself, a single drink actually helps me to focus. Anymore than a single drink though will ruin it for me as I get... too relaxed and unfocused. lol
Quote from: DraregElder on March 31, 2011, 04:34:23
You do sound closer to real that what I usually hear here kid. Not to knock other members, but dang, there does seem to be a lot of whining, rules/etiquette and misconceptions bout 'AP' as y'all call it. I'm sixty years old and been trailing the stral for at least fifty of those. Some straight, some buzzed, some after party, but ALL of em take me to the same place. Maybe that's just me, or maybe that's just the truth of it.
By the way, my friends who travel there, say the same thing...
I won't disagree that some people have trouble expressing that their statements are their opinion/experience and not hard fact.
However, I can't remove all blame from the people who read these statements without being critical and recognizing that it is just one person's opinion.
In truth, this is probably the most subjective experience someone can have and no one way works for everyone. I've been talking about this a lot lately. In order to be successful, one has to understand not only their own consciousness but how their consciousness responds in different altered states.
Like all traditions, AP/OBE/LD/Phasing (whatever you want to call what you do) is not immune from orthodoxy and dogma. Whether you're trying to be scientific or spiritual about it, you still encounter the dogma (or nomenclature if you wanna try and make a poison sound pretty) built up by presumptuous teachers and naive/ignorant students that perpetuate something that they don't fully understand. It's no one's fault, it's the nature of human civilization at this time. I suggest stepping back and noticing that these "whiners", with their rules/etiquette/dogma are just normal folks who are embarking on a journey that is largely unexplored in any systematic way and that lacks any clear, concise and repeatable directions (which we have unfortunately be trained to expect and in many cases are only capable of learning in such a way).
It's no one's fault. They're trying their darndest to really understand this experience and do it. Why should you or I say that they are doing it wrong?
(I thought you ought to know that I pretty much 100% agree with your sentiment though - the dogma is the poison of this skill; it is so limiting that I think at least half, if not many more, of the people that try this fail and quit.)
What dogma? Which rules? Who's whining? I find it amusing how 'some people' can climb onto their soap box with a less than valid sense of superiority on this subject and dissect members here with offensive, ambiguous statements instead of discussing ideas. If anything should be classified as whining, would this not pass with flying colors? Ideas come with semantics because we as humans tend to communicate. Body language and fecal throwing isn't a great method to convey ideas so we have to settle for those poisonous words. If you don't want to discuss ideas, why come to a 'forum'? Mind you this isn't attacking any specific individual, this is just directed to that group of 'some people.'
Quote from: Astral316 on March 31, 2011, 13:47:26
What dogma? Which rules? Who's whining? I find it amusing how 'some people' can climb onto their soap box with a less than valid sense of superiority on this subject and dissect members here with offensive, ambiguous statements instead of discussing ideas. If anything should be classified as whining, would this not pass with flying colors? Ideas come with semantics because we as humans tend to communicate. Body language and fecal throwing isn't a great method to convey ideas so we have to settle for those poisonous words. If you don't want to discuss ideas, why come to a 'forum'? Mind you this isn't attacking any specific individual, this is just directed to that group of 'some people.'
You obviously didn't understand a word I said then.
Perhaps I was on a soap box, but it was a soap box in defense of the honest to goodness genuine explorers.
It was actually a very appropriate discussion of the IDEAS associated with the realm of AP/OBE/LD/Phasing and more so the realm of experiences with consciousness. It wasn't about any person, but rather all students of AP and the like from a generic, "bigger picture" perspective. (Omitting of course my personal statement at the end, but as I pointed out, there is a difference between my personal opinion and the insight I provided on the state of AP information - the two don't have to be in harmony because truth is relative).
My point is that, as with ANY form of knowledge, people get complacent and are taught to think about specific knowledge in a very limited way. In the realm of science they call this "specialization". What that means to me is, "a smaller box". This is probably the single biggest flaw in honest science, the lack of interdisciplinary research. We need people who are familiar, if not expert, in numerous different fields to really understand the far reaching effects of something like altered states of consciousness. So, to limit the experience of those states to specific nomenclature and "rules" isn't doing anyone any good. But, that is the nature of the human world. We try to simplify and deconstruct everything so as to have a streamlined, repeatable process. Unfortunately, we often lose the intangible essence of the subject, it's life force, as we become more mechanical in our discussion and explanation of it.
You are right that this form of verbal communication is efficient and reasonable/rational as compared to poo flinging and body language. But, compared to the experience of another person's consciousness, language is almost more primitive and brutal than poo flinging. This is a persistent problem in all fields of knowledge (as I touched on). The main reason is that the human experience of reality is radically subjective. In fact, I don't even believe in the existence of "objectivity" per se. In my mind, objectivity was spawned when language became the primary human mode of communication. Each person has such a subjective experience of objects that no two people will ever have the exact same impression of any object (abstract or concrete). So, in order to simplify the process and make communication feasible, objectivity was introduced (or evolved naturally) as a short cut, an assumption of the simplest common elements of any object. But that's not really true, it's just a metaphor. The word apple is just a metaphor, a symbol for this thing we call an apple. But an apple is a different object to everyone. To me, it's nostalgic, wonderful, juicy, a provider, all because I grew up on an apple orchard. Xanth on the other hand has a completely different experience of an apple, he hates them. Obviously our definitions of apples are different, but the objective (or concrete as i like to call it) metaphor of an apple, a metaphor that reduces the object to it's simplest common elements (common to all people) lacks the full depth of what an apple really is. And that is something that no one can teach you, it has to be experienced to be known. AP is no different, and because it's such a personal skill to develop (because you're dealing with YOUR MIND and ONLY YOUR MIND), dogmatic language poses a very formidable barrier to successful projection. In this realm of study, you have to assume that all is possible and be willing to try it all or you have to become very familiar with the way your consciousness reacts in different altered states so that you might create an effective plan of technique that will most easily accommodate your particular style of "consciousness" (which is again, infinitely personal and subjective, no one will ever have the exact same conscious experience as you).
Soap boxed.
[EDIT: That was a little intense in retrospect, so I apologize if I came off as too emotional or offensive, it really wasn't my intent; I just wanted to clarify myself]
In response to OP:
Alcohol makes me fuzzy, marijuana makes me too interested in too many things to focus well enough for projection. FOR ME the most successful mindstate is that afternoon lull, when your blood sugar is low and you could probably take a nap. My mind is still relatively alert but it is just "weak" enough that I could take a nap if I wanted too. I also find that I'm kind of shut down for up to 3 days after a night of heavy drinking. A beer or two is no problem, but getting sloppy drunk closes me off "psychically" for a few days. I have found that lots of water and green tea seem to remedy this situation, or at least help me get over it more quickly.
But I say, if you find it easier to attempt to project the morning after drinking, then that's what you should do. I guess ideally you don't want to have to rely on the alcohol induced state to project (it really limits your opportunities for successful exit), but if that's what works, do it. And that goes for everything in life. If you found a way that works for you, keep doing it.
Quote from: personalreality on March 31, 2011, 14:21:17My point is that, as with ANY form of knowledge, people get complacent and are taught to think about specific knowledge in a very limited way. In the realm of science they call this "specialization". What that means to me is, "a smaller box". This is probably the single biggest flaw in honest science, the lack of interdisciplinary research. We need people who are familiar, if not expert, in numerous different fields to really understand the far reaching effects of something like altered states of consciousness.
So say we get these "experts" and they reach a "real understanding" on altered states. How would they convey information to the public? Well I'd imagine they'd use a combination of pre-existing words right? They'd probably use those word combinations as definitions to terms they select because who wants to repeat a bunch of words when you can link one concept to a single word, right? But...
Quote from: personalreality on March 31, 2011, 14:21:17So, to limit the experience of those states to specific nomenclature and "rules" isn't doing anyone any good. But, that is the nature of the human world. We try to simplify and deconstruct everything so as to have a streamlined, repeatable process.
Okay so what are we to do? What's the alternative? Not even the most advanced scientist in the multiverse can communicate ultimate truth without breaking it down into words that humans can grasp.
Quote from: personalreality on March 31, 2011, 14:21:17Unfortunately, we often lose the intangible essence of the subject, it's life force, as we become more mechanical in our discussion and explanation of it.
Is this "life force" lost or is it just not able to be conveyed through a keyboard? In other words, let me know how we can maximize the intangible essence of projection on this forum.
Quote from: personalreality on March 31, 2011, 14:21:17The word apple is just a metaphor, a symbol for this thing we call an apple.
The "thing" is the objective part. How you interpret the metaphor that describes the thing is subjective, correct. I don't take for granted how subjective this reality is, but at the same time the only way two human beings can communicate is by using the metaphor. Again, what's the alternative? Do you think a person without memories plopped onto this planet in social isolation would spiritually develop faster than one who communicates with metaphors?
Quote from: personalreality on March 31, 2011, 14:21:17[EDIT: That was a little intense in retrospect, so I apologize if I came off as too emotional or offensive, it really wasn't my intent; I just wanted to clarify myself]
No need to apologize, when I read text I imagine Megan Fox saying the words while stripping so your response took on a seductive tone if anything. :wink:
I'm not going to continue this debate because I feel that it will quickly get out of hand.
But, let me say this. I'm not disputing the practicality of spoken language, I am speaking idealistically, conceptually. That doesn't mean that people should allow themselves to get boxed in by a certain nomenclature though.
Everyone knows that sleeping with purple quartz crystals in your ears is the only reliable way to project.
Those are some heavy words, powerfully used by you important folk with stars and fancy titles. I figure that I'm over my head here for trying to respond and will end up showcasing my lacking, but...Here's what's real, the way I know my friends.
About 62,000 years ago, while searching for herbs, roots and pods, some younger, bolder women, picked ate and shared a spotted mushroom that Elders had taboo. From that, doors to new places in/of their minds were opened. Until then only a few, very few, determined Shaman types, had glimpsed these wonders. Now there was a shortcut, any and all could expand. Soon, thinking, contemplating and even reasoning became more profound, art, real art emerged, legends, religion, etc. All the trappings of modern woman/man took hold and the Astral got busy.
Ever so often, bulls-hit happens, Mankind focuses only on 'survival, power, pleasure or{fill in the blank}' and life gets shallow. Lucky for ALL, someone or some folks, re-find whatever and re-think, re-start the way to expansion once again.
See, everyone need not partake of da nectar, only enough to cause serious thinking from the rest ya. This time, I, ME, MINE and my friends used the 60's, times and drugs, to wake up and turn humanity again! So, you're welcome. The Astral is open, no waiting...
lol. you old hippie. :lol:
there is no ill intent friend. i want to make that clear.
i may have a lot of stars, but i'm not really the "golden child" of the pulse.
i too found my awakening through psychedelics and find many more "kindred spirits" who have been that way as well.
you sir are not lacking in any way. every perspective is valid and equally important. just because i've got pretty words doesn't mean my perspective is any more valid than yours and I hope I didn't imply that it was. I was hoping that this sentiment was expressed in my rant, but I don't think it was clear. I guess I was just intellectualizing and trying to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.
Quote from: bluremi on March 31, 2011, 17:44:27
Everyone knows that sleeping with purple quartz crystals in your ears is the only reliable way to project.
you sir, or madam, are a genius. lol. incidentally, amethyst under the pillow is said to assist in projection, lucid dreaming and dream recall.
Quote from: DraregElder on March 31, 2011, 17:52:18
Those are some heavy words, powerfully used by you important folk with stars and fancy titles. I figure that I'm over my head here for trying to respond and will end up showcasing my lacking, but...Here's what's real, the way I know my friends.
About 62,000 years ago, while searching for herbs, roots and pods, some younger, bolder women, picked ate and shared a spotted mushroom that Elders had taboo. From that, doors to new places in/of their minds were opened. Until then only a few, very few, determined Shaman types, had glimpsed these wonders. Now there was a shortcut, any and all could expand. Soon, thinking, contemplating and even reasoning became more profound, art, real art emerged, legends, religion, etc. All the trappings of modern woman/man took hold and the Astral got busy.
Ever so often, bulls-hit happens, Mankind focuses only on 'survival, power, pleasure or{fill in the blank}' and life gets shallow. Lucky for ALL, someone or some folks, re-find whatever and re-think, re-start the way to expansion once again.
See, everyone need not partake of da nectar, only enough to cause serious thinking from the rest ya. This time, I, ME, MINE and my friends used the 60's, times and drugs, to wake up and turn humanity again! So, you're welcome. The Astral is open, no waiting...
A special thanks to you for galloping in on your white horse of truth to explain to us noble but narrow-minded elite "what's real." I tried to lead a more spiritual, ascetic lifestyle but in the end I just couldn't give up my three green stars under my fancy title. Yes, I am materialistic to a fault.
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hey been gone for awhile, to anser some questions. i have to be really hung over for some reason and that is when i get the best ones. i have gotton good at when i come back to my body i keep my eyes shut and do multipule APs. in a nut she last time i was out was about 6 days ago maby. i went from doing instuncual things like fighting, sexual things and ect. on the lst two attemps i made great progress, talked to people, think i talked to a guide of some kind. all i know is he helped me stay longer. i summend my dragon and he gave me advice. the one thing that stuck out was the moon it was splitting in half and i tried my damdest to put it back together. i made doors that went to places like my room back home and my moms house. Tried to give my mom some positive energy she has been down. and for clarification when i got back from helping her she said her cat was being strange and she felt me there. also she was very lively. so that was my journy in a nut shell. when i am sober and do it i have to be sleep deproved to get into my mine awake body asleep state. cant explain on that to much you just have to know youself and when it will be possible to do it. after i have gotton better at that i have been getting better at doing it without being hungover or very tired. also i try not to try at it so hard i have enough stress dont need to add to it.