ROPE question

[bindi]

ash,
sounds to me like u are doing everything correctly and are on the right track.
Not everyone gets stong exit sensations.
Sounds like you are too aware of what is happening to you body ie. the sensations, your breathing. You should only be aware of the rope and climbing it and ignore everything else that is going on.
The other thing that may be holding you back is fear....you are so close but can't take that final step...are you hesitant?
Do you really wan't it? What is your intent?
Hope some of this is helpful!
Good Luck!
Bindi

[Synapse]

yep sounds like you need to work on your concentration
i used to have the same problem but if you do a few separate exercises you will get there eventually

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[Ash]

bindi,

yes, i think you're right in that i am too aware of my body. i think the problem is that i am trying to monitor how i feel in my body so i can tell if i am doing the technique correctly. if i want to feel like i'm pulling on the rope i have to feel my physical body rising, if that makes any sense. otherwise it just feels like i'm waving my hands in the air. would it be more effective to imagine that i am somewhere else, climbing a rope? i'm sorry i can't really seem to describe what i want to ask... but it's like if i am using my awareness hands, then i am sort of automatically focussed on my body, if that makes any sense...

synapse,
do you mean concentration exercises like one-pointed awareness, breath awareness etc?

thanks guys!

ash

[bindi]

ash,
you don't need to imagine that you are somewhere else, that would just keep your mind off the job I think.
Just concentrate on pulling yourself up, slowly, make each pull a real effort.
Imaging for a second how hard it would be to pull yourself up a real rope using just your arms, how your arms would strain and tremble, how your hands would feel against the thick, rough rope, thats the sensation that you want to be concentrating on - and nothing else, forget the rest of your body (if you can).
It seems like you have got it all together...just concentrate on the pull and loose yourself in that, nothing else matters.....easier said than done of course!
Bindi

[bindi]

ash,
just had another thought that may or may not help.
If you really have trouble witht the rope you could always try a ladder....I've had some success with this, same theory, different implement!
Bindi[8D]

[Squeek]

Ash, I cant totally empathize man..  I get everything that Mr. Bruce says you should get, but never an end result.  I think my problem is while I get these sensations i think about what to do next and lose focus on the ROPE.  It's either that or I think about how i will reply to the people online! :p  Don't really care if you reply to my post...just wanted to help out ash...

[Leviiathan]

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you don't need to imagine that you are somewhere else, that would just keep your mind off the job I think. Just concentrate on pulling yourself up, slowly, make each pull a real effort.

I'll also add in that you must maintain your focus outside of your body. I'm not sure how to climb Rope properly so I generally bonk myself over most of time and obtain no significant results.

Here's a techique. Tell me if it works: look out through your third eye and have your focus about a fist length (or two fist lengths) away from your third eye (outside of your body). Compress your focus so that it is centralized entirely on that point. You can do two things with your imaginary arms: you can position them where your real arms are and try to feel them (your real arms) doing the work of climbing, or you can position them on either side of your focus point (which is outside of your body) and do the work from there.

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Imaging for a second how hard it would be to pull yourself up a real rope using just your arms, how your arms would strain and tremble, how your hands would feel against the thick, rough rope, thats the sensation that you want to be concentrating on - and nothing else, forget the rest of your body (if you can).

1) The problem is that it's hard to.
To do this takes practice. I'm still stuck here. I should try and condition myself more

2) If you choose to do the direct method versus an indirect method (indirect method is where you are passive as opposed to objectively climbing), you will most likely experience Involuntary Muscular Reponse. If you have sensations where you are floating up, leaving your body, or you feel your astral body moving, think again. It's nothing more than your physical body tensing up in reaction, or moving in some way. This, my friends, is my greatest nemesis that is heeding my progress in projecting.

3) If you want to practice Tactile Imaging, you can do ROPE without even going into a deep body-sleep state. This will allow you to develop a visualization/climbing ability, and experiment with the many ways of trying to apply this technique.

4) If you want to project, your body will need to be relaxed. Take a shower (warm-hot water), stretch, then lay down and let your mind drift off a bit. The farthest I can get is making my body a bit heavy, but not significantly. I cannot get into a body-sleep state, and I cannot enter trance. Robert can do it in 5 minutes. Even having practiced relaxation using imaginary hands for some time, I find the process ineffectual at this point. It takes me about 30 minutes for my body to go numb / become heavy / my awareness to dim significantly. When I start to climb rope, I fall out of this state

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It seems like you have got it all together...just concentrate on the pull and loose yourself in that, nothing else matters.....easier said than done of course!

Easier said than done. You can put yourself into a believing state that nothing else matters, but the truth is is that Involuntary muscle response will bonk you over if you're not doing the process right.

[Ash]

hey everyone,

i'm hoping somebody out there can give me some pointers. I've been practicing ROPE recently. I just read astral dynamics but I've been practicing OBE's for years, without having a fully-conscious one yet. Anyway, when I do ROPE, I immediately get the vertigo feeling in my chest and stomach that Robert Bruce talks about as a signal that ROPE is putting a good amount of pressure on my astral body. Also, every few minutes I get a sensation like I am floating or dropping for a couple of seconds. When this happens I just try to ignore it and continue the exercise, remaining calm and my breathing remains regular. But for some reason it doesn't go past there. The exit sensations don't get any stronger and I don't feel any of the vibrations or anything. After a while my heart and stomach may start to feel a bit sore, but I don't feel the pounding heartbeat he talks about. I'm a bit confused because I seem to be doing the method correctly, but it just doesn't quite go far enough.

Any suggestions?

thanks...

ash