Motivation Problem

[Tombo]

I have some LD's from time to time but it needs quite some effort from my side to have them. I had 4 conventional OBE's so far. And I'm loosing me motivation to work on it.
Sometime I doubt if this experiences are real or just a fantasy and this further reduces my motivation to OBE. I don't want to think this way but I do
The LD's are fun but I want more then that! It is just not enough to keep me going. I want them to have a transforming effect! I want to grow.
Should I focus more an traditional OBE's ? What are your coolest Astral Experiences?
Can somebody please help me out of this hole?

Thanks Tom

[catmeow]

Hi Tom

If you are interested in some good case histories, take a look at this site:

http://www.oberf.org/


catmeow

[Frank]

Hello:

Maybe you are trying to hard? I just wondered because any kind of tension in the mind can have a detrimental effect. I think the medics call it Performance Anxiety, or something like that. Maybe you should try to relax more and go with your own flow. That's what I do. Just lay back and look within yourself and be happy with what comes about. Sometimes I think people make this far too complex, and they begin treading on their own feet. Sorry if this isn't much help, but it's just a thought that came to mind when I read your post.

Yours,
Frank

[sunneysoul71]

Gruezi Tom!

Know exactly what you mean. I was at that point about two years ago and stopped my efforts altogether. And, of course, nothing happened anymore. Until I restarted earlier last year. Then everything picked up again, but my results were better, too. Maybe I just needed that time to cool off.

It is like Frank said: Working too hard at it and exerting pressure on yourself is counterproductive. Taking it easy and looking forward to the results seems to be the best policy.

Viel Glueck und alles Gute!

Michael

[OBEmagic]

Hey Tombo,

Realize that you have a good track record over time. Take it easy, keep working at it, be patient and more experiences will follow. Just keep taking the steps and you will progress. Know this and then it will be worth it to persevere.

[Cezyl]

Partnered OBE Validation Investigation Experimentation
Version 1.2 (Composite Version 1.1) To be updated...
By Darryl Berry

Outline last updated 1/21/05

Introduction
ALL SKILL LEVELS DIVE IN. The outline is still in the works, an ongoing project. I'd love to hear about your successes, triumphs, experiments, and any ideas, comments, and updates you have for the experimentation and experiment outline. Any questions you have about the experimental outline and the workings of the experiment send them in. I check this email every Friday night. Enjoy...

Intents:
·        To master all forms of out-of-body exploration and interdimensional travel

·        To work together with one or more people to accelerate OBE skill development, fun, and help develop a critical mass of growth on this planet

·        To gather 'evidential data' on OBE states (Robert Monroe, Sylvan Muldoon)

o    Individual growth and understanding

o    Universal growth and understanding

o    Fun, friendship, and inspiration!!

Preparation
1.      Find one or more partners vibrantly interested in OBE attainment to practice with

a.    Online OBE message boards, forums, and newsgroups

b.   Book stores, book clubs, metaphysical discussion groups

c.    Anyone interested in OBE

2.      Together decide whether you will meet in the here-now/physical world or higher dimensional

a.    Stick with the chosen dimension for only as long as it interests you... stay in the moment for added enthusiasm!!

b.   Whether here-now or higher dimensional, stick with the chosen location for only as long as it interests you... stay in the moment for added enthusiasm!!

Here-Now/Physical World Basic Goals
1.      Travel to your partner's location, or to the physical world destination of choice

a.    First develop the out-of-body state- ask for assistance if necessary or desired (Rosalind McKnight/Cosmic, Bruce Moen)

b.   After detaching from your physical body move slowly yet deliberately away from your physical body by at least 20 feet

c.    Develop a strong and clear here-now out-of-body state before doing anything else, by developing 100% full clarity and awareness (affirm that you are out-of-body, state your name, address, etc., stand tall and spin around, taking in your environment, intend and affirm full awareness and clarity!!)

d.   Take a quick examination of your nonphysical form and note details of its makeup

e.    Deliberately move outside of your home, apartment, or from wherever you are to outside

f.     Turn around in a circle while feeling for the direction of your partner or the target destination (or proceed there if you know the location)

g.    When the direction is found fly in that direction, intent to make it to your partner or to the destination, expectant to know when you get there

2.      Assist your partner in getting out-of-the-body (if goal is partner's home)

a.    Reach your partner's physical world base and make it to their body

b.   If your partner is still in-body note details of their surroundings, dress, etc.

c.    If your partner is sleeping and/or partially OBE, assist your partner in getting out of the body

d.   If your partner is OBE, assist your partner in gaining 100% full clarity and awareness if your partner is hazy or unaware (Do back flips, scream their name, and any other thing to get their attention if they are sleepy, dreamy, or unaware)

e.    Be fully aware that your partner will be assisting you out-of-the-body, and allow any assistance

3.      Gather and exchange verifiable information with your partner while out-of-body, early on picking only one or two things to work with per trip

a.    Physical world location and setting, surrounding environment, building type and size if any, time and weather conditions, etc.

b.   Any individuals present, actions and words expressed, clothing observed during visit, appearance of partner, etc.

c.    Phone numbers, house/apartment number, independently chosen buzz word, favorite pet's name, mode of dress of all present, occurrences, etc.

4.      Return to your respective physical bodies after gathering and exchanging information

5.      Journal in detail and in full the entire occurrence

6.      Be aware of all dreams and any inklings of out-of-body encounters with your partner, and note any occurrence of seeing or being aware of your partner in dreams or experiences in any way, especially those resembling your partners physical world environment

7.      Swap with partner your completed journal entries of success

8.      Compare notes and have fun!!!

Higher Dimensional Basics
1.      Determine a nonphysical place at which to meet


a.    The Park (Robert Monroe/Journeys, Preston Dennett/Out-of-Body)

b.   Akashic Records

c.    Astral Pulse Island (www.astralpulse.com/locale/)

d.   Imagined or created place

e.    Any experienced or researched nonphysical area or place

2.      Be aware of all dreams and any inklings of out-of-body encounters with your partner, and note any occurrence of seeing or being aware of your partner in dreams or experiences in any way, especially those dealing with the chosen higher dimensional meeting area

3.      Upon going to sleep, during practice, or in meditation, imagine and intend to go to the area of choice (or directly to your partner or group where they are in the higher dimensional)

4.      Develop a strong and clear state of mind before doing anything else upon reaching the destination, by developing 100% full clarity and awareness (affirm that you are out-of-body, state your name, address, etc., spin around and take in your environment, intend and affirm full awareness and clarity!!)

5.      Look for your partner, they can be anywhere around

a.    Feel, look, listen, etc.

b.   Call for your partner, intend to see them, or for them to come to you

c.    These things also help them out and to the destination spot

6.      Assist your partner in developing a strong state upon meeting with your partner

a.    Ensure that both of you are clear, aware, and with clarity

b.   Do back flips, scream their name, and any other thing to get their attention if they are sleepy, dreamy, or unaware

7.      Gather and exchange verifiable information with your partner while out-of-body

a.    Physical world location and setting, surrounding environment, building type and size if any, time and weather conditions, etc.

b.   Any individuals present during experience, actions and words expressed, clothing observed during visit, appearance of partner, etc.

c.    Phone numbers, house/apartment number, independently chosen buzz word, favorite pet's name, mode of dress of all present, etc.

8.      Return to your respective physical bodies after exchanging and gathering information

9.      Journal in detail and in full the entire occurrence

10.  Swap with partner your completed journal entries of success

11.  Compare notes and have fun!!!

Heightened Goals
After completing both the above basic goals of here-now and higher dimensional travel, try:

1.                    Independently targeting here-now/physical world places and happenings to swap and compare independent reports

a.    The moon

b.   Vacation spots

c.    Movie theatres

d.   Etc.

2.                    Independently targeting higher dimensional places and happenings to swap and compare independent reports

a.    Akashic records

b.   The Park

c.    Higher Self level

d.   Etc.

3.                    To mutually/simultaneously target here-now and higher dimensional places for interaction, fun, and joint exploration

a.    Fun and companionship

b.   Joint and group exploration

c.    Further validation and independent journal cross-referencing for accuracy testing and skill refinement

4.                    Collaborate with three or more projectors for added validation, experience, experimentation, and fun!

5.                    Meet and interact with beings you meet in the out-of-body

6.                    Develop physical world friends from out-of-body met acquaintances!!

Tips
1.      Have a mutually clearly defined goal, and clearly defined things to validate (Robert Bruce/Dynamics) for effeciency, ease of execution, and economic use of energy

2.      Repeat steps for developing 100% clear awareness if awareness and clarity ever slack, to retain clarity and to extend the experience

3.      Stay in the moment- take breaks when needed, swap partners if desirable, switch locations as desired... keep it fresh!!

4.      Communicate via phone (unless phone number is something to be swapped and validated), chat, email, letter, in person, etc., and discuss the experiment often, to foster and accelerate connection and success

5.      Allow, accept, and even request assistance from your guides, guidance, your partner, and any helpful beings and spirits (your assistance may grab a wrist and pull, try to ram your out of body by flying into you trying to boost you out, etc.)

6.      Be persistent and persevere- success may not be immediate, but still success is inevitable!

* * *

[Tombo]

Thanks for the help so far. I actually don't think I'm pushing to strong rather the opposite. My routine pretty weak I would say:
-I do some reality check during the day
-I do some energy work
-I sometimes do affirmation to LD when falling asleep
-about all 14 days or so I do 40 minutes of OBE-exercises in Bed
So actually I think my routine is pretty moderate. O.k. maybe I should see it more as fun and not as something one should do, that might be a point a should work on but other then that, I don't think I'm forcing.$
That problem seems more to be that I do not have any real target that I want to accomplish.
I think if Somebody could like give a awesome target and say "Look try this if you succeed your motivation problem will be gone" or something that would help a great deal:

So I think Cezyl your post might do that job and help me get some motivation. I mean if I coul meet with a friend and we both could confirm the experience that would definitely boost my motivation!

Probably I should start to define some very clear goals! Any more ideas?

[Cezyl]

Hey.

Glad you like it. Tip: Try the highlighted update above. Easier to read methinks.

Cheers.

Cezyl

[Tombo]

Hey Cezyl!
Thanks! Have you done it? have you met with a friend what happened?

[Cezyl]

Hey Tombo...

I've partner OBE'd before. Nothing major, but enough to convince me that something is into this projection thing. I'll find the actual journal entries and post them at my site, or here- most likely both, but here's what happened in brief:

I was working with a master projector at the time, getting tips and such. I made for myself a robe with a gold ring around it and went astral with that on, but I got out only halfway fully conscious. Suffice it to say that I saw him that projection, and though I was drowsy in the projection I remember us talking. It seemed very like a dream, but I knew it was a projection- as perhaps all or most dreams are.

The next day or so we got on the phone again, and I didn't mention anything to him about the meeting. He opened that he saw me on the astral and we were talking, and told him that I was tired, and I looked to him to be drowsy. He said I had a big shirt on, making (light) fun of me.    It was fun. That's one of those times when I stood back and was like... whoa. PartneredOBE is powerful.

Another time I became conscious on the astral, and saw a friend/ex-girlfriend (yes, friend/ex-girlfriend- it's possible   ) who I hadn't seen or spoken to in years. She was with three other people, a guy, and a girl and a guy. I went to talk to her. She seemed pretty conscious, as did them all. The guy she was with got jealous and pulled her away from me. I figured they were a couple, and the others were a couple. I called her up that next week or so, and we chit chatted. Then I told her I got out-of-body and saw her, and she was with a guy, and there was another girl and guy couple also. She mentioned none of her relations to me, and I hadn't seen her in years. She was shocked, and told me she has a boyfriend, and then her best friend has a boyfriend. All four of them travel together everywhere all the time, movies, eating, etc. She was shocked, and I was thoroughly tickled.

For now there is a person I am working with at a forum for this purpose:

www.cezyl.com/OBEs/partneredobe.htm

http://p201.ezboard.com/bpartneredobe

He lives in Utah and I in Kentucky- we're meeting mid point in Kansas...

Take care. Just introduce yourself at the 'Partner Search' board and I'm sure someone will be along to partner with you.

Cezyl