Could someone explain me one thing [ BEDEEKIN'S METHOD ]

[vstachu]

Hi,
I just read few times post about BEDEEKIN'S METHOD and I watched youtube video about this method and my question is:

What is so "magical" about non-dream nap and waiting 1-4 hour to attempt AP ?
What is so "magical" about taking nap after 6pm ? why not around 2pm ?

I just wanna understand because it sound to pretty for me after 5 months of trying AP and failing
Im not pessimist or skeptic , I just want to understand that

[Bedeekin's Method post is closed thats why i create new one] 

Thanks
Stan

[Szaxx]

The non dream nap recharges your body so later on it takes longer to disconnect. This gives you more time in the hypnagogic state and a better chance of success.
When tired the body falls asleep much faster.
Lets use a similarity,
Your attempts travel at 30 mph and you need to go 1 mile to be successful.
A tired body racing at the side of you will be travelling at 50mph.
You can't win.
The nap slows the body down and this can be slower than your speed. In this case you get to the exit point first.
If everything is in order you take control and conciously exit before the body steals control. This puts you in the mind awake body asleep mode.
Your technique should be based on this methodology for success.

Thats a way of describing it, hope it's clear enough.

[vstachu]

The non dream nap recharges your body so later on it takes longer to disconnect. This gives you more time in the hypnagogic state and a better chance of success.
When tired the body falls asleep much faster.
Lets use a similarity,
Your attempts travel at 30 mph and you need to go 1 mile to be successful.
A tired body racing at the side of you will be travelling at 50mph.
You can't win.
The nap slows the body down and this can be slower than your speed. In this case you get to the exit point first.
If everything is in order you take control and conciously exit before the body steals control. This puts you in the mind awake body asleep mode.
Your technique should be based on this methodology for success.

Thats a way of describing it, hope it's clear enough.

Thanks for answer Szaxx !
what about timing  ?  1-4 hours and only after 6pm why ?

[Szaxx]

I'd say that more than 4 hours before sleep will reduce the desired effect.

[soarin12]

Definitely after 4 hrs. your window of opportunity is all but over.  I've done it as much as 5 hrs. after and it's worked, but not with the same strength and ease.

As far as the nap being after 6:00 - I think this puts your projection attempt at a time when your body is used to settling down and going to sleep for the night.  So your're working with the natural rhythm of your body.  Say you napped at 2:00.  Then your projection attempt would need to be around 6:00.  It's just a lot of lying down/being still in a short span of time. (from when you get up in the morning to your nap to your projection attempt- it's all more crunched together) Your body might be restless.  I know it's harder for me to project when I've had too many lazy periods during the day that aren't interspersed with enough physical exercise/activity.

It may work for you to nap at 2 and project at 6.  All you can do is try.  Remember, though, you have to be tired for your nap so you can actually fall asleep.

I would definitely try it his way, though.  The method is set up the way it is to optimize all conditions so you'll project real quick and easy.  For me it works scary well.  I projected this way when I first started and I didn't realize I had set up these conditions by accident.  I went through a period of being really tired around dinner time and fell asleep at around 6 or 7.  I would have slept too long, but my husband came home from work around 8 and woke me up.  Then I went to bed at around 11.  Within 2 or 3 min. of just lying there, my visual field changed, I was actively pulled into SP, and I was out. (and I was very shocked as I didn't even know what AP was!)  As long as you don't mess it up with fear or active thinking, it works quick and aggressively.  Hope it works for you!

[vstachu]

Definitely after 4 hrs. your window of opportunity is all but over.  I've done it as much as 5 hrs. after and it's worked, but not with the same strength and ease.

As far as the nap being after 6:00 - I think this puts your projection attempt at a time when your body is used to settling down and going to sleep for the night.  So your're working with the natural rhythm of your body.  Say you napped at 2:00.  Then your projection attempt would need to be around 6:00.  It's just a lot of lying down/being still in a short span of time. (from when you get up in the morning to your nap to your projection attempt- it's all more crunched together) Your body might be restless.  I know it's harder for me to project when I've had too many lazy periods during the day that aren't interspersed with enough physical exercise/activity.

It may work for you to nap at 2 and project at 6.  All you can do is try.  Remember, though, you have to be tired for your nap so you can actually fall asleep.

I would definitely try it his way, though.  The method is set up the way it is to optimize all conditions so you'll project real quick and easy.  For me it works scary well.  I projected this way when I first started and I didn't realize I had set up these conditions by accident.  I went through a period of being really tired around dinner time and fell asleep at around 6 or 7.  I would have slept too long, but my husband came home from work around 8 and woke me up.  Then I went to bed at around 11.  Within 2 or 3 min. of just lying there, my visual field changed, I was actively pulled into SP, and I was out. (and I was very shocked as I didn't even know what AP was!)  As long as you don't mess it up with fear or active thinking, it works quick and aggressively.  Hope it works for you!

Thanks soarin12
Im not gonna try this at 2pm I was just curious why after 6pm
I will do what he is doing, nap after midnight for an hour and wait half an hour, i cant take a nap at 6 or 8  because im not tired even if i wake up earlier then usual, perhaps it is because i do 4-6 oobe attempts per day so my body is resting while lying

Since you know this technique what exactly should i feel after this nap
I was doing this technique yesterday started at midnight and after 1 hour i wake up and  i was fighting to not fall asleep in my chair while waiting next 30 min i was extremely sleepy

* should i be that sleepy ? eyelids close by itself, head fall by itself  or this is completely not what i want and i need to be focus /alert ?

after 30 min i went to bed and i dont even know when i fall asleep however i have idea how to stay awake, gonna do this today

Thanks
Stan

[soarin12]

I've never done the timing that you're doing so I can't speak from personal experience about the feeling of it.  I'm pretty sure that if I did it that way I'd struggle with extreme sleepiness too, which is not desirable.

The way I've always felt when I did my timing (the nap at 6 and project at 11) is just borderline tired -like I could fall asleep, but at the same time, if I tried to stay awake (which of course I do) it's much easier to do so because I'm still refreshed from the nap.

You can also check back on the Bedeekin's Method page and he gives a list of the things your supposed to feel when it's the right time to project -itchy eyed, mild hypertensive, slow steady heartbeat etc. (there's more but can't remember)  If you can identify some of those symptoms it may help you find the correct timing for you.  But on the other hand I wouldn't worry too much about it if you don't feel any of that.  You don't want to get so analytically you psych yourself out.

If your attempts with your timing don't work for you, I'd recommend using the timing that I do, and just get up early with no other OBE attempts during the day except the one.  Good luck!

[vstachu]

I've never done the timing that you're doing so I can't speak from personal experience about the feeling of it.  I'm pretty sure that if I did it that way I'd struggle with extreme sleepiness too, which is not desirable.

The way I've always felt when I did my timing (the nap at 6 and project at 11) is just borderline tired -like I could fall asleep, but at the same time, if I tried to stay awake (which of course I do) it's much easier to do so because I'm still refreshed from the nap.

You can also check back on the Bedeekin's Method page and he gives a list of the things your supposed to feel when it's the right time to project -itchy eyed, mild hypertensive, slow steady heartbeat etc. (there's more but can't remember)  If you can identify some of those symptoms it may help you find the correct timing for you.  But on the other hand I wouldn't worry too much about it if you don't feel any of that.  You don't want to get so analytically you psych yourself out.

If your attempts with your timing don't work for you, I'd recommend using the timing that I do, and just get up early with no other OBE attempts during the day except the one.  Good luck!

Thank you soarin12
I tired yesterday , i was very sleepy of course but after 30 min of waiting i didnt fall asleep instantly like 2 days ago but nothing special happens after 40 min of lying still i decide to go sleep 
one thing what surprised me is that i leave my lamp turn on nothing powerful its  pretty yellowish light and 3 sec after i closed my eyes i saw white light not some dots or beam like full eyelids was a source of white light  it was weird  but may because i wast tired and it was 1:30 am 

Stan

[soarin12]

Yeah, if the 'magic' is going to happen, it'll be pretty quick after lying down, relaxing and keeping still.  Should be within 10 min. at the most.  I'm not sure about the white light.  That kind of thing happens to me, along with energy surges, during meditation in general, but doesn't necessarily lead to OBE.  Could be a good sign for your general growth, though.  Keep experimenting.  Hopefully it'll click soon!