Music, Sounds, and OBE's

[manuel]

Hey there LJ
I have used the brainwave generator, with the hemisync presets, these themselves do not get you ob, i consider them mental crutches, they do help me however calm and relax and quiten the mind, i can send you the presets with you would like to, they are worth it to.

cheers.

[noitarbiv]

quote:Originally posted by LJ57

I have seen refernces on this forum to the Brainwave Generator, in particular the Vibration Starter. Is this a good tool for astral projection? I was thinking of trying either that or the Monroe tapes that many people use. Any suggestions for which tapes. music, etc. is best? Thanks.

I dont really like all these gadgets. They seem to give us a reason to not use conscious effort. Maybe the gadgets would be useful if there is a problem settling down or staying focused but even then i think it creates a dependency and should'nt replace conscious effort.

[weagle]

they're excellent tools I believe they're more like guided meditation til one advances.  monroe institute gateway wavei  intro to focus10 is a good starter if you want some guided meditation, also tommi's vibration starter (goes from 12mhz to 7mhz which is low alpha) is good as well I use after when I do body awareness exercises using (NEW) and after the tape stops I continue to do the body awareness exercise (still lingers in the body for awhile calmness) and feel like I'm even more energetic because the tapes helped calm me down quickly and the chatterbox mind.  I'm not joking when I say I had my first conscious obe from these tapes never before and I hope to have them again but had them after the tape stopped and continued my body awareness exercise.  Other things to increase your odds which helped my first conscious obe is to sleep only 5 hours and wakeup and either do the meditation or do it later when you retire to sleep when your body is groggy but mind alert and be in desirous mood ie boy this feels good attitude. I've done it without the tapes for one year no results (maybe some lucid dreaming/obe's) but no conscious obe just the body/mind wanders too much doesn't relax as much another good thing is my body doesn't tense up either cause the tapes produce such a relaxation (like I was taking wild lettuce/sleep sedatives).

[fURIX]

Not to burst any bobbles, but my personal experience with BW mp3's is that they keep you're awareness more awake. I have never experinced any direct influence during any of these kind of sessions like many would like to think (maybe some do?). But some of them make you relaxed just because of they're calm nature. To me it seems like any calm music would do.
When it comes down to actual conscious AP's its all about your techniques (breathing, feelings and imaginations). If BW helps you, then OK. But! I sure as hell would not depend on it as to be a tool. To me it just never did the trick. Im pretty sure there is more than just BW to create actual AP or OBE's. It unfortunatly goes a little deeper than that. But nobody KNOWS.
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[LJ57]

I have seen refernces on this forum to the Brainwave Generator, in particular the Vibration Starter. Is this a good tool for astral projection? I was thinking of trying either that or the Monroe tapes that many people use. Any suggestions for which tapes. music, etc. is best? Thanks.