My Awakening & First 2 OBE Experiences(Please Read)

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Bedeekin

Lionheart.. Raduga really does think it's entirely meat brain based. Either he has suddenly within the last 24 hours changed his mind or you are mistaken. He's entirely into the concept that it is just a brain based phenomenon.. albeit powerfully subconscious. He's practically promoting that message.

There is a big debate raging on an Astral Projection group him and his people have posted on Facebook.

Astralzombie

Quote from: Lionheart on February 22, 2013, 19:24:41
That was not an "attack" on you its_all_bad, that was just a simple question.  :-)

Michael believes in "here and there", that's all the labels we really ever need. He states that we can find cures for cancer and all kinds of thing there.

So does Tom Campbell, who is well known for teaching his techniques of NPR healing, remote viewing and is also well known for his problem solving while in the NPR.



I know that you didn't make an attack on my words. :-D But I really do appreciate the "redirection". You have no way of knowing what intention I had for mentioning the statement about Raduga, but of course I did and it really wasn't fair. And I really did edit it out before you read it because of what I recognized in my own intent.

I clearly understand when someone is making a personal attack or not and coming from you, I would never mistake anything for something like that. So here's a smiley. :-D
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
Mark Twain

Lionheart

Quote from: Bedeekin on February 22, 2013, 19:39:02
Lionheart.. Raduga really does think it's entirely meat brain based. Either he has suddenly within the last 24 hours changed his mind or you are mistaken. He's entirely into the concept that it is just a brain based phenomenon.. albeit powerfully subconscious. .
Well I apologize if I am misinformed.

I only know of Michael through this current video and I didn't see that he was saying it was all in the brain. I saw that he was showing an extaordinary experience that was outside of this reality.

I guess once again, that word perception comes into play.

..and to its_not_bad, here's  a smiley back at ya!   :-D

reality_bytes

Quote from: its_all_bad on February 22, 2013, 18:20:14
Don't stop trying and you will succeed in having the experience that is considered an OOBE but don't be disappointed if it still never validates anything for you.

Not frustrated just trying to be clear that although I really believe in my heart this is all real, I very much want to experience it.

I have been trying for about a year and will not stop until I experience it because I am sure it is real.

Xanth

Quote from: Lionheart on February 22, 2013, 19:54:38
Well I apologize if I am misinformed.

I only know of Michael through this current video and I didn't see that he was saying it was all in the brain. I saw that he was showing an extaordinary experience that was outside of this reality.

I guess once again, that word perception comes into play.

..and to its_not_bad, here's  a smiley back at ya!   :-D
Yup, you have to read Raduga's book to get that point.  He is firmly and 100% a materialist.  It's written, I believe, in the very first part of his book.
To him, this physical reality is all there is and anything metaphysical is (paraphrasing) not real.

Astralzombie

Quote from: reality_bytes on February 23, 2013, 15:10:58
Not frustrated just trying to be clear that although I really believe in my heart this is all real, I very much want to experience it.

I have been trying for about a year and will not stop until I experience it because I am sure it is real.


It will happen. I've heard of it taking someone as long as four years before they were able to have their first OOBE intentionally. But it happens much sooner than that for most people. Some may also only try it here and there and never really get serious about it but it's easy to see that you are determined. And really there's nothing to lose since we all have to slow our minds down anyways to go to sleep. There's no telling how many people gave up one try short of success. :-D
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
Mark Twain

Lionheart

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Quote from: Xanth on February 23, 2013, 15:56:48
Yup, you have to read Raduga's book to get that point.  He is firmly and 100% a materialist.  It's written, I believe, in the very first part of his book.
To him, this physical reality is all there is and anything metaphysical is (paraphrasing) not real.
I hope I don't lose any respect here by saying this. But I have never cared whether it was inside the mind, outside the body, in another dimension or any of the beliefs others authors/people have created on this. I'm not a Scientist or an Author and I'm not going to pretend to be one either. I'm an Adventurer. I'm not writing a book on my view of what it is or creating a video about it. Although I do try to help people learn how to achieve it.

I am just happy to have the ability to do it!  :-)

This came to me in a time of my life when I was feeling worthless due to my chronic pain and lack of mobility. Well at least the consciously aware part of the travel did. I have been experiencing involuntary episodes for years, but never took the time to research what it is. Right now I can't travel to other countries, I can't experience adventures in the physical that I wish I could. But, I can while in the NPR. In the NPR there are no limits, my chronic pain and lack of mobility is non existent.

If it is just in your mind, then not focusing on your physical body/reality at the moment is still fair to say you are having a non physical experience.

If it is my imagination, then I definitely need to give my imagination a lot more credit, because I have been to places and did things that there is no way I could even Dream up here in this physical reality, solely because we haven't created words for those things yet.

I challenge myself all the time to delve further, to learn new things and be an Adventurer while in the NPR.

So, basically what I am saying is, I don't really need to know WHAT it is, just THAT it is!  :-)

Astralzombie

Lion-Lose respect? You're kidding, right? If anything, this is an admirable trait in you. I personally don't care what his personal view is because I believe that most people will grow to see the spirituality in it regardless of who introduces it to them.

Raduga just has a cocky attitude and there is something about it that annoys me. But I recognize this to be a personal flaw in myself if I let that get to me. So consequently, I edited him out of my post yesterday. :-D
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
Mark Twain

Szaxx

Looking into the ideology.
One needs no knowledge of the combustion process within a piston to be able to drive a car.
Simple...
There's far more where the eye can't see.
Close your eyes and open your mind.