Electrodes trigger OBE (nature.com)

[Mobius]

Hi Density

Well, that article sounds a little more positive & open minded than the reports we have seen come out of CNN, Washington Post & Reuters. Funny how the same study gets interpreted in so many different ways. Would have been good to see a paper or some info coming from a report directly off the scientists through a scientific journal or something.

I'm waiting for the other story to come out about wind vibrations causing a person to feel a "presence" or entity near. I saw it on Discovery, it was an episode where a scientist discovered a "spiritual presence" standing over his shoulder. To cut a long story short, he discovered that it was the fan from the ventilation shaft. He even went on to reproduce the effect, placing subjects in a sealed room & duplicated the oscilations of the fan & vibrations in the air to give the subject the feeling that some saintly or spiritual type presence was standing over their shoulder.

I would like to know if this electrode test has been duplicated on a person who has NOT got epilepsy or some other disorder, or did I miss that?

Good find density & good journeys

Mobius

[Gandalf]

Hi Mobius.
I saw that story about the fan.
Actually, it was not wind resistence though.
They found that the fan produced large amounts of electro-magnetic energy that was inducing the experiences. Once the fan was removed they stopped.
Scientists then went on to experiment exposing subjects brains to EM fields and found that they felt presences, partial obes etc.

The scientists of course went on to state that this explains all facets of paranormal experiences, however as usual they didnt stop to think that just because they have noted the physical effects of an experience that DOES NOT nececerialy lead one to conclude that it is the SOURCE of that experience.

I can see how EM fields can produce such effects as well.
It makes sense to me that the subtle bodies are kept in alignment with the physical most likely by using some kind of magnetic attraction, so of course being exposed to certain EM fields can lead to them being pulled 'out of alignment' to an extent, exposing the subject to low level astral experiences,
then the presences, partial obes and all the rest of it come in to play.
Subjects often state that the experience is quite frightning.
Their fears will certainly affect them due to the nature of the astral.

The basic problem here, as always is that scientists always try to explain things according to material knowns and this always skews their results.

Don't get me wrong, I like science and we wouldnt be here on this forum without it, we need it.

But scientsts should stick to what they're good at, explaning and researching aspects of the physical world, they should leave everything else alone!

Regards,
Douglas

[density]

Activity in one region of the brain could explain out-of-body experiences. Researchers in Switzerland have triggered the phenomenon using electrodes.

The whole article:

http://www.nature.com/nsu/020916/020916-8.html