Around 3:30 am on 3/4/12, my girlfriend was awakened after feeling my body go into a state of vibrations. She felt my heart beat racing also. Then she said the vibrations stopped, and she heard me stop breathing without a noticeable heartbeat. She said a few seconds later she saw a white image of me at my bedroom doorway. The she heard me making a knocking sound on the dresser in the bedroom. She then got scared and pulled the covers over her face. She doesn't know anything about out of body experiences or vibrations. She has never had an OBE either.
All I can remember is attempting an OBE technique that utilizes the high pitch sound in your head. I thought I fell asleep. But I must had an unconscious OBE.
Has anyone here ever had anyone see them in an OBE?
Did you tell her you were going too do it before hand?
Maybe it was her manifesting it in her dream
Interestin as though
I didn't tell her before hand. She has never heard of OBE's before. After it happened, I had to do alot of explaining. I was worried she would leave me.
She claims she was awake the entire time. There is no way to know for sure.
After this experience, I decided to do some internet searching and found this quote. In H.P. Blavatsky's esoteric instructions No. 5, she wrote "No two persons can be simultaneously conscious of one another's presence in the projection of consciousness". This may explain why I wasn't conscious of it. Oliver fox in "Astal Projection" said the same thing.
She may have been in trance. My husband has woken to see me floating next to him, and has felt my vibes also- but I think he was in trance, and was viewing it clairvoyantly. I'm pretty sure I don't levitate. :-)
Thanks CFTraveler for the information. I think you're right. She might of been in trance. If she was wide awake, she would of tried to wake me up, or she would of screamed. Being in trance or sleep paralysis, she was unable to move or speak.
This is interesting. All good replies. I noticed when I tapped my grandma many different times she wasn't aware of my presence. But when I entered my body again, I went upstairs to see her in the same clothes and doing the same thing I saw her doing in the astral, and I hadn't seen her all day. It was a fantastic experience. :-) I think that was my validation I was looking for... Or one of them at least. Who knows what will happen next. She had no clue I was shouting right in front of her.
Hi guys ! I know what is it.. She hadn't been in trance,but she had been in hypnagocic state ! That's a state before you start sleeping. Often it can cause hallucinations. I've experienced 3-4 times. For example i was sleeping in bed next to my father's. He needed to turn to his other side in bed. So he made a screeching noise (long about 2 seconds). What i heard is that the noise was about 10 seconds long and my father is bouncing up and down.. Hallucinations for sure !
Awesome 8-)!
Quote from: Svetoslav on March 07, 2012, 10:29:45
Hi guys ! I know what is it.. She hadn't been in trance,but she had been in hypnagocic state ! That's a state before you start sleeping. Often it can cause hallucinations. I've experienced 3-4 times. For example i was sleeping in bed next to my father's. He needed to turn to his other side in bed. So he made a screeching noise (long about 2 seconds). What i heard is that the noise was about 10 seconds long and my father is bouncing up and down.. Hallucinations for sure !
The hypnagogic state happens when in deep trance. Po-tay-toes, po-tah-toes.
So it WAS an hallucination!???
No.... a hallucination isn't 'something that isn't happening'- a hallucination is something you see that may not be what it seems, like a mirage.
DMT in your pineal gland makes your brain 'see' the information you are 'projecting' into your visual cortex- just like you see what you're dreaming.
However, when you see something that 'isn't' there, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, since the pineal gland reacts to stimulus that is there- even if it isn't photons.
So it's possible that she did 'see' your projected energy body, but not with her eyes- just as clairvoyants 'see' what happens far away or in the future- nonphysical information expressed by the images your visual cortex sees.
Quote from: CFTraveler on March 07, 2012, 17:02:24
The hypnagogic state happens when in deep trance. Po-tay-toes, po-tah-toes.
Not pretty sure about that...
As i said earlier i had similar situation. Hypnagogic state may appear when the mind is conscious (not in deep trance). I asked my father why is he bouncing up and down and he laughed me. It was in real time so i am sure it was a hallucionation.
I guess it depends from the frequency of the alpha waves.
You can be awake and aware in deep trance- it's called 'Alpha intrusion' in medical circles.
Quote from: todd421757 on March 06, 2012, 20:42:00
In H.P. Blavatsky's esoteric instructions No. 5, she wrote "No two persons can be simultaneously conscious of one another's presence in the projection of consciousness". This may explain why I wasn't conscious of it. Oliver fox in "Astal Projection" said the same thing.
I don't recall Oliver Fox saying that, but if he did it was probably because he was deep into Mme Blavatsky's theosophical teachings.
However Fox did relate the "Elsie Projection" where his gf Elsie appeared to him one night after boasting that she could AP too. She appeared as a full sized recognisable figure in his house. They were both aware of it at the time and compared notes later. I personally don't agree with Blavatsky's statement. In fact I have had shared astral experiences myself where both parties were conscious and aware.
Regarding the hypnogogia/trance thing, your gf may have been in hypnogogia, it is very common and does not invalidate what she saw. During hypnogogia we are much more attuned to clairvoyance/ESP etc. The label 'hallucination' is commonly applied to hypogogia but giving something a label does not reduce its value.
todd would you like to add your experience to the Validation thread?
www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/validation_thread-t25607.0.html
I added my experience to the validation thread.
I looked in Oliver Fox's book again. You're right that both him and Elsie saw each other. I guess I must of been referring to Oliver's other experience with his friend Barrow on pages 49-52 of the 1974 paperback edition.
Update: My girlfriend is an OBE addict now, lol. That is all she talks about now. Seeing is believing.
Has anyone ever given any thought into the Rand 1 million dollar paranormal challenge?
Quote from: todd421757 on March 10, 2012, 16:27:41
Update: My girlfriend is an OBE addict now, lol. That is all she talks about now. Seeing is believing.
Has anyone ever given any thought into the Rand 1 million dollar paranormal challenge?
Lol, I think its hard not to become an addict when you first discover it.
As for the challenge, I don't know anything about it but I believe it has been discussed briefly in this thread:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/astraltravelers_why_dont_you_help_in_locating_criminals_terrorists-t36583.0.html
Thanks for adding to the Validation Thread.
It's really gratifying to find others reading the wonderful old classics like Oliver Fox. I loved his book it was one of the first I books I read on the subject. The Farewell Song at the end is wonderful.
Re Randi's challenge, I have said it before and will say it again, it's a joke. Randi's Ts&Cs allow him to be arbiter and final judge. If he is unhappy with the experiment in any way, he is allowed to dismiss it and demand that you redo it. So basically, if you succeed he will find some reason to discount the successful attempt and get you to repeat. He will do this until you fail, and then announce that you failed his challenge, discrediting you in the process, because of course all that will get published is that you failed.
Randi should allow an independent panel to construct the test, agree on success and fail criteria and butt out of the arbitration process.
When I was a teenager, and my mother was alive, I could hypnotize her with a glance. When hypnotised she could accurately describe all sorts of things happening around, with her eyes closed and her back turned. She described scenes I had set up in other rooms in the house. She exhibited 'conference of sensation' when instructed. Basically I would pinch myself painfully and she would feel the pain herself, rubbing her arm or leg, corresponding to the part of my own body I had pinched. She had her eyes closed and head turned away. She was NEVER wrong.
Such was her accuracy and reliability that I could have walked Randi's challenge. However, I have absolutely no doubt that under Randi's bitter skeptical gaze, the 'magic' would have evaporated. Even if the magic worked Randi would have found some reason to discount the successful results.
The man can not be trusted. He is at least as untrustworthy as the worst fake psychics I have seen, and I have seen a few. A bitter angry man, a bad skeptic, a third rate magician, and a man who will never give up his $1 million.
I went to Randi's forum a while ago. All they do on that forum is trash mouth anyone who believes in anything but the physical plane. It was a very depressing experience.
Quote from: todd421757 on March 10, 2012, 22:27:17
I went to Randi's forum a while ago. All they do on that forum is trash mouth anyone who believes in anything but the physical plane. It was a very depressing experience.
Agreed, I have seen posts such as "By definition ESP does not exist, therefore he is cheating. QED." That is supposed to be critique!
On 07/13/12 at 12:30 am, my girlfriend had another experience with me being out of body. I felt myself slip out of body, and I consciously hovered a couple of feet above my body. I did this for two minutes while holding this position. I then entered back into my body and my physical body jolted.
While out of my body, I saw my girlfriend next to me with an expression of awe.
When I re-entered my body, she asked me if I was out of body. I said yes. She said she knew because she felt a dense energy on top of her legs that remained there for two minutes. And she saw my physical body jolt shortly after.
Interesting.... thanks for sharing.
I absolutely love reading stories like yours where projectors and their loved ones are able to share their experiences together. What you have is a gift. Congrats!
I have often woundered how many ghosts were really living people just out of body . It is a belief we all go out of body during sleep , but dont remember . desert rat
Quote from: desert-rat on July 16, 2012, 22:58:52
I have often woundered how many ghosts were really living people just out of body . It is a belief we all go out of body during sleep , but dont remember . desert rat
Many of my current projections occur in the house I grew up in. They begin in my current bedroom, but when I open the bedroom door, I am back in the house I grew up in all those years ago. This was where I had my first projection experiences, experiences which are still to this day very clear in my mind. I sometimes wonder if I am now "haunting" my childhood home, and I wonder what would happen, if, out of curiosity, I turned up on the doorstep of that house. Would the present occupiers recognize me as the "ghost" who haunts their house?!
I have had flying dreams that I am sure were from being out of body . I willed my self if I did meet some while out of body while asleep to give them my cell phone number , I did get some out of state calls where no one spoke . This is a post by me on another forum of this lady mistaken for a ghost I believe it is a true story http://halfway.oceanfalls.org/index.php?topic=2688.0 desert rat
Would you rather have your girlfriend see you out of body or would rather see her body out of clothing :-D
Quote from: KarmicBeats on July 19, 2012, 17:33:50
Would you rather have your girlfriend see you out of body or would rather see her body out of clothing :-D
I would prefer the latter :)
Quote from: todd421757 on July 15, 2012, 19:44:58
When I re-entered my body, she asked me if I was out of body. I said yes. She said she knew because she felt a dense energy on top of her legs that remained there for two minutes.
I recently asked my girlfriend how much my dense energy weighed. She said half the weight of a paper towel roll. I weighed a roll of paper towels, and it came out to 50 grams. So half of that would be 25 grams.
So my energy body weighed around 25 grams.
A doctor weighed 6 patients before and after death. He determined the soul (energy body) weighed an average of 21 grams for those 6 patients.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_MacDougall_(doctor)
Todd,
Congrats on this with you and your girlfriend. I skimmed through most of the discussion and wanted to add my .2
into this. It is difficult to say if your girlfriend was in trance or not. My feelings would lean towards trance, but there is always
that other possibility.
Either way you slice it this is something you two should experiment with further in research. Also, being *very* careful not to
contaminate the data. It is great to see this and it is very exciting!
What I would do is first - both of you set a goal together. Just one goal, nothing fancy and complex.
When both of you project *or* at random times. Immediately, document your experience and do not show the other person til there experience. The same with the other person when they experience obe.
After documenting, compile the data and share the differences. Create a spreadsheet chart and be detailed and though.
Why you keep everything separate and document ASAP? So the data is not altered and risking contamination. Keep everything completely and totally separate.
Last, don't pressure each other to OBE or expect it. Let the cards fall naturally and let it happen vs. controlling. The best validated experiences I have had were false awakenings, not being aware or looking for proof.. When it happens, proof will flow like a river.
Keep me informed on your progress too and keep up the excellent work!
Dave
one more thing too..
"Rand 1 million dollar paranormal challenge?"
I would like for one day someone to be able to validate life after death, out of body experiences does exist. This will
definitely change so much in this field of research and study. However, we have this today in our world that the data
is out there to prove otherwise.
Rand is a good person for what he is promoting and to make people think, be skeptical and not be suckered in by $$
organizations. I have always instructed people to do the work themselves, investigate, and do the work. Don't take everything
on faith just because of the daily horoscope says your gonna win the million dollars.
The same with astral projection/obe or near death experiences. You have to experience it first before believing and challenge it
consistently. I do feel that science are getting very close to proving life after death and when they DO have the hard facts, will people still challenge it? - You bet!!
if you read the faq, it is interesting..
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/component/content/article/37-static/254-jref-challenge-faq.html
Dave
Quote from: David Warner on July 22, 2012, 20:35:18
if you read the faq, it is interesting..
(If a Mod wants to move this to the Randi thread, that's fine for me.)One part of the FAQ states (my bold):
"
1.4 Has anyone ever gotten past the preliminary test?
No. Some people use this fact as a reason not to apply – and yet the protocol
is never altered once the applicant agrees to it. In fact, we ask the applicant to design the test."
That last part is kind of disturbing in my mind. If no one, who has
designed their own test, ever passed, something feels odd.
I would like to sit down with Mr. Rand and ask him if he would be interested in learning about
out of body consciousness and actually experiencing it for himself. If he can offer a million dollar challenge,
the why not offer a million dollar challenge for him to work with the top brass in projecting?
I am going to share a quick Near Death Experience from a social worker that I chat with through hospice of Michigan. BTW: I donate my time with patients who are dying and am a companion. This is how I know this social worker.
Her dad was a hardcore scientist, atheist, never went to church and was material orientated. A very strong opinionated man engraved values set in stone until his Near Death Experience. He died of heart attack and was gone for sometime, returned, recovered from the operation. After his NDE, ALL his past values, doubts, strict against religious views he held turned 180 degree's and became a pastor giving his life to God. When he returned, he shared the experience of pure love, the tunnel, white light, and touching the spirit of God. EVERYTHING in his past life didn't matter.. it was all about Love Love and Love.. serving God....
Just because he died and got a second changed, he didn't need a million dollars as proof God exists and life continues after physical death. This is just not one story of a NDE, the data is consistent and documented. One of the sites and that is the BIGGEST on the web is:
www.nderf.org by Jeffrey and Jody Long which I also know from past discussions. Jeffrey is a oncologist that began his research with NDE's from his patients experiences. After reviewing case after case, his fascination grew and launched the international web site for NDE. It is 100% statistics, experiences, answered questionnaires and again the main theme of the patients death is "Love and we are all Equal"....
When I asked the social worker if he was afraid to die her reply from her dad explained "It will be winning the golden ticket and returning home!!".... Now, how cool is that? Sadly, ten years later after his NDE, he did pass away with another heart attack. But he in now home....* Shantinilaya*
Now, getting back to the original Randi challenge and their background as skeptics. I honestly think and feel they are approaching this from the wrong angle. They should be investing the experience's, and scientifically collecting the data vs. waiving a million dollars around for proof. I do think and feel if his organization took this approach they would have positive results collecting data further this exploration vs. squash it.
I do agree that their are A LOT of people out there wanting to make a fast buck and society should always validate and challenge their claims by additionally doing the work themselves and putting fourth this energy vs. dismissing with skepticism. It is good to be the judge and the jury, but before making a quick assertion it is all fake, it has to be experienced first and researched.
Plainly said Rand can't explain NDE, doesnt have proof or can't dismiss it. And the people that have experienced out of body consciousness or the real NDE, don't look need the proof. They are the one's that know Heaven is For Real and it is all about Love!!
Thank You,
David A. Warner
Quote from: David Warner on July 22, 2012, 23:51:02
Just because he died and got a second changed, he didn't need a million dollars as proof God exists and life continues after physical death. This is just not one story of a NDE, the data is consistent and documented. One of the sites and that is the BIGGEST on the web is:
A million dollars is just a material thing. What he received was much more valuable! :-)
Thanks Dave for your suggestions. I have been having more validations as I have been keeping stats like you suggested. Its adds a system and goals to follow.
For example, my girlfriend set up a gemstone attached to a necklace on the mirror in her bedroom a certain way without letting me know beforehand. I had an obe in front of the mirror recently. I saw it hanging on the mirror. I willed my energy and somehow was able to swing it the other way which caused it to be partially tucked in behind the mirror.
I didn't tell her that I did it. She noticed the following morning it was moved in a different position.
I inspected it, and there was no way it could of moved that way by accident.
All my validations have always been within the same room as I am sleeping in. I believe short distance obe's are the key to achieving more validations and less reality fluctuations.
I made a post with some links to the Randi foundation , there is a link to a site with a list of people that have tried . http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/the_james_randi_1_mil_challenge-t37868.0.html http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=43 desert rat
Quote from: David Warner on July 22, 2012, 23:51:02
I would like to sit down with Mr. Rand and ask him if he would be interested in learning about
out of body consciousness and actually experiencing it for himself. If he can offer a million dollar challenge,
the why not offer a million dollar challenge for him to work with the top brass in projecting?
I'm sorry to rain on your well meaning parade Dave, but Randi is an evangelical disbeliever who will never be turned. He has ALREADY experienced on OOBE which was not sufficient to convince him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NwKkbd2e-c
Unless your OOBE is perfect with no reality fluctuations he dismisses it as a dream. Susan Blackmore similarly had an OOBE which she dismissed due to some minor reality fluctuations. In Susan's case, her OOBE was lengthy and profound.
I do not trust Randi's impartiality.
EDIT: Oops, I see this youtube clip was just posted on the James Randi OOOBE thread. Sorry peeps, I was too slow....!
Quote from: todd421757 on July 23, 2012, 12:51:32
Thanks Dave for your suggestions. I have been having more validations as I have been keeping stats like you suggested. Its adds a system and goals to follow.
For example, my girlfriend set up a gemstone attached to a necklace on the mirror in her bedroom a certain way without letting me know beforehand. I had an obe in front of the mirror recently. I saw it hanging on the mirror. I willed my energy and somehow was able to swing it the other way which caused it to be partially tucked in behind the mirror.
I didn't tell her that I did it. She noticed the following morning it was moved in a different position.
I inspected it, and there was no way it could of moved that way by accident.
All my validations have always been within the same room as I am sleeping in. I believe short distance obe's are the key to achieving more validations and less reality fluctuations.
Another one for the Validation thread todd?!
You know you really should rig up a video camera to video yourself sleeping. Would be interesting if anything showed up? Also, you could rig up to record the pendant hanging by itself, then project and move it. See if you could capture it on film?
Also, I agree totally that short distances are the key.
Quote from: David Warner
if you read the faq, it is interesting..
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/component/content/article/37-static/254-jref-challenge-faq.html
Thanks for that, an interesting link to Randi's $million challenge rules and faq. I read the whole lot; several thousand words of condescending, patronising, superior, self aggrandising and sarcastic rhetoric. He flaps and waves his colours all the way through, and finally, with the very last sentence, nails them firmly to the mast:
"Of course, when confronted with a particularly incredible claim like "remote viewing" (the current version of "clairvoyance") we can easily stop short and ask ourselves just why we are involved with such obvious nonsense. But this is the job we chose to take on, and it has its rewards in the feedback we get from those who have listened, learned, and benefited from our efforts. That's the payoff."
Art Bell the first host of the over night radio show coast to coast was not a real believer in the out of body experence until he went out of body over Paris one night . Seeing Paris from above while out of body , now that would be wild . desert rat
Hi,
Randi is a non believer even if he had a trip to a place very familiar. Add total awareness and a future newspaper he could actually read for a couple of days time.
Repeating itself every night for a month, he'd falsify it as bogus. Don't waste your time even trying. I think its more a publicity stunt than anything. He has his followers and they can't be convinced either. He's probably a nice guy behind the scene and nice guys go un-noticed.
Paris, ha. The best fly by is the torch holding lady of NewYork. The statue of liberty keeps you going back.
@ Todd, were you projecting an ectoplasmic line in order to move the pendant or an etheric projection?
Nice topic.
Most any major city from above while out of body would be nice . I was just stating Art Bell's account of his trip to Paris . He said he did not believe in o.b.e.s until he did it . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Bell desert rat
Quote from: Szaxx on July 23, 2012, 18:21:59
@ Todd, were you projecting an ectoplasmic line in order to move the pendant or an etheric projection?
Nice topic.
No, I am not able to project ectoplasma as described in Sylvan Muldoon's book. His method projects the ectoplasm out of the solar plexus chakra along the silver cord which makes contact with the object.
I can only project out of two locations: 1) through the top of the head, or 2) through the soles of the feet. I cannot project through the solar plexus.
I would tend to believe there could be people on this forum who could follow Sylvan's moving objects (raps) technique and be successful at it.
But for me, I move objects by using my will intensity, similar to how you can make a chi or psi wheel move. Here is a youtube video showing a chi or psi wheel in motion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5NwRfMJgOQ
Catmeow,
Yah, I know he is a non-believer and everything has to be perfect and the stars in align.. Even if he did project fluently, he would dismiss it no matter giving the circumstances. Susan Blackmoore is another interesting woman and her theories are good but are flawed.
Todd,
Do what I did with three video camera's recording your physical body. I have done this ten times in my life and my last
one which is in the free section of Astral Academy:
October 2nd, 2008 OBE Caught on Video with Validation 6:31 Minutes MP4 Video
http://www.astralpulse.com/free/freevideo.html
Make sure when you do this document, document, and document. Have a handy tape recorded at your disposal upon awakening so you can narrate. Also, keep the information from your girlfriend so the data is not contimanated til you both write everything down and compare..
Dave
Hi,
I have surveillance equipment where anything moves it starts recording video. Ill eventually dig it out if I get results moving things.
Its on my list. Sleep is too so we may be waiting a while lol.
Todd, are you able to move a psi wheel? I balanced a pencil on its flat end and concentrated, but couldn't get it to fall over. I didn't practise though. I know it requires practice to move a psi wheel.
Quote from: catmeow on July 24, 2012, 05:16:42
Todd, are you able to move a psi wheel? I balanced a pencil on its flat end and concentrated, but couldn't get it to fall over. I didn't practise though. I know it requires practice to move a psi wheel.
Yes, now I can get the psi wheel to move every time I try. It is a fun thing to practice on as you can easily see your results. Plus it teaches you to concentrate and develop your will intensity.
It took some time to be able to move the psi wheel. But after I moved it the first time, it became easier to achieve success thereafter. It takes a certain state of mind to achieve success. Once you find this state of mind, then memorize it and use it when you are in an out of body experience.
I bought my chi wheel online for $10. You can also make your own for free.
That's fantastic todd. You're very lucky to have these abilities. Apparently the guy who uploaded the psi wheel video (smattman) now says that he hoaxed it. But it's good to hear that you can get the psi wheel moving. I'm much more willing to believe you, than any youtube video. I wish I had the patience and concentration to learn this. I really do.
I sometimes get disillusioned with all the (alleged!) hoaxes out there. We learn of say a UFO encounter which seems iron clad (eg Travis Walton). Then someone comes along who knows all the people involved and has a very credible story that it was a hoax. Then somebody comes along and debunks the debunker and so it goes on. The result is confusion all round....
Quote from: catmeow on July 24, 2012, 09:45:18
Apparently the guy who uploaded the psi wheel video (smattman) now says that he hoaxed it.
There are too many hoaxes out there. Probably some of the book authors we talk about on this forum are hoaxes too. It is depressing when you really think about it.
Thanks Catmeow for believing me. I am glad people on this forum take me as credible. I believe many people can also move the psi wheel with enough practice. I would recommend searching "psi wheel" on this forum and trying out the various techniques to move it.
Each person may require a slightly different technique to get results. Another member on here named Beavis has claimed to have success with the psi wheel also.
If anyone has success, please post your information on this thread. Thanks.
Quote from: Szaxx on July 24, 2012, 02:07:41
Hi,
I have surveillance equipment where anything moves it starts recording video. Ill eventually dig it out if I get results moving things.
Its on my list. Sleep is too so we may be waiting a while lol.
I would bring it out now and get down to business! Don't waste time.... When you are on a roll, ya gotta take advantage of it when you can..
Good Luck
Dave