Near OBE??

[Nick]

Hi Spiritwalker,

It seems that you may have been experiencing some pre-obe sensations, which is a good sign. [] You are on the right track too because the colors and swirls, and so forth, are what Robert Monroe indicated would appear after one reached a point just past the mind awake/body asleep state. He called it focus 12, so congratulations, you're making progress!


Very best,
Nick

[Spiritwalker]

Cool

I will eb reattempting this soon then!

Focus 12...

what would oneself have to do to reach focus 13?
and so on

this is all really intresting

[Nick]

Well, this whole idea about "focus levels" comes from Robert Monroe, who wrote Journeys Out of the Body, (and also the two books I mention below). Focus levels are terms he used for classification purposes. The terms come out of Monroe's later work where he moved from the traditional obe to phasing. His later books Far Journeys and Ultimate Journey are relevant here. Also, Monroe put together his Gateway tapes (and later cds) wherein the different Focus Levels are described as, for example, C-1 (the physical realm), Focus 10 (mind-awake/body-asleep state), and Focus 12 (what Monroe calls a state of expanded awareness) where colors, shapes, sounds, and mental pictures both still and moving may appear.

The next level Monroe writes about (see Glossary in Ultimate Journey is Focus 15 "another step in the phase relationship" with more attention in the nonphysical realms. Next, Focus 21, which Monroe describes as "the equivalent of deep (delta) sleep in ordinary physical life activity. However, the mind is fully 'awake' and conscious, directing the action."

Beyond the above are the lower realms of the Belief System Territories (BST), such as Focus levels 24, 25 & 26. Then, beyond the BST there is Focus 27, a label Monroe placed for that astral level where decent people would go and gather after the physical body expires. It is also referred to as "the park" because its parklike appearance caused it to be named that by Monroe.

There are a number of older threads here in our Welcome to Permanent Astral Topics forum that go into these things, and also talk about obe sensations as well. They may be a good place for you to explore (if you want). I still read through them myself from time to time. In the Permanent Astral Topics forum there are some great topics and posts to look for. Especially read those by a member named: Frank and also those of the administrator here, Adrian. There's a good deal of great information in those posts.


Very best in your astral endeavors,
Nick

[Andali27]

Could someone please answer me a question?

I'be been trying AP/OBE for some time now (almost a month) and that came after trying something called the cloud technique which I read in a book called 'How Psychic are you' or something like that.  I've always been interested in OBE and stuff like the unexplained so I did a bit of research and practiced relaxing techniques for a while.

My first idea that I was doing the right thing was when I was kind of dozing off a bit but focusing on something to keep me awake when all of a sudden my whole body started to vibrate really fiercly.  It was a pleasent feeling but scared me at the time until I realized what it was.  Then I was excieted but I was like, sitting up real slowly and was 30cms off my pillow before I stopped and something began to pull me back.  I tried to fight against it but to no avail and I liked 'snapped' back into awake.

I was annyoed and wide awake and didn't try agian that night.

I did some more research and kept trying.  After falling asleep by accident another night, I had a different experience.  My whole body was shuddering and my heart/heart chakra thing was beating really fast.  All this adrenaline was rushing through my veins but I was calm and breathing normally.  I lay there for like, 15 minuets before I had to stop cause all the adrenaline was making me sick.

Last night I tried (I try every night), and was like, "come hell or high water I'm gonna OBE".  I went all numb then had this weird swinging sensation.  I opened my eyes and could see the ceiling moving (cause I ahd glow in the dark stars on it) and it was like I was swinging side to side in a, well (-I-) like that little symbol thing, swinging the shape of a bracket.  I tried to will myself to float up but it was like I was stuck.  The whole sensation faded awaye after my heart chakra thing was pulsing fast again and even that faded after a while.  I got annoyed [!] and got up, all stiff.

I've been having all these problems and can't for the life of me seem to re-create the original half OBE I had.
I've been playing 'white noise' to keep me awake and that's helped a bit.

Please tell me what I'm doing wrong and how I could rectify it.  I really want to do it but can't seem to get it right.  Any advice would be greatly appreciated!  Please!

*Andali*

P.S. Or maybe it's got something to do with age, I'm 17, but I don't know, please help me!

[Kennabis]

I have never voluntarily had an OBE. The first time it happened to me(about three years ago) It just sort of happened, it was pretty scary because I didn't know what was going on. It has happened six or seven times, that I can remember and the majority were at night. I just bought Robert Bruce's book Astral Dynamics and am interested in trying it voluntarily. I just have something I would like to share. In Astral Dynamics it says it can be hard to remember the experience if you don't hold it in your mind as you wake up. I have had a couple of these OBE's where I was so tiard and fighting to stay awake that my eyes crossed and I fell into a trance with my eyes open and those are the ones I remember the best in fact I will never forget them.
Now my question to anyone well versed in this is, Do you believe that there is some relation between my heightened memory of the experience  and the fact that my eyes were open?  

I thought I should post this here because of the fact that I haven't fully allowed my projection to leave the bounds of my body.

[Spiritwalker]

Right

I believe i neared an obe experience just now while meditating..

i was sat meditaitng and doign a breathing technigque where i breather through my nose and otu throught it and first i got the normal "xcrap2 when i close my eyes the colours and the swirls but they vanished after awhile and all i saw was this spiraling tunnel gettign sdmaller and close then farther away and coming back close again, now after a while i felt the breathing and pins and needles were kicking in but weird i felt that every breathe i let out made the pins and needles effect storonger then i felt a pulling feeling liek i was beign torn apart like when you ripp a bread roll apart and the tunell was still egtign close and further and well then i returned to normal state lol swirls and stuff...

I hope i was near an obe there if you can shed light on the matter i thank you

Spiritwalker