Nearly there i'm sure

[Ronnie]

Hi, first post here.
Cool forum, great info.

I've just started following with interest the OBE stuff due to some experiences in recent meditations. Im sure that I am nearly there with regards to exiting.

Couple of weeks ago I was in deep meditation, detached from feeling any physicalness and intentionally tried to merge with the darkness of my inner space experienced with my eyes closed. At this point I heard a loud ripping noise which startled me. I understand that this could have been me exiting though once startled I opened my eyes blah de blah. I noticed at this point that there was much heat around the back of my neck  :question:

I've not exited yet though I feel very close to it.

What I tend to do is meditate deeply until I can see images, shadows and symbols arising from my subconscious and then much like in Eckharte Tolle's teachings I connect or associate myself with the feeling of my own energetic presence, and its at this point that I begin to feel a bit wobbly or feel part of me outside of me but not as yet not a complete detachment from all of my physical body. What do you think, am I on the right path with this method  :question:

I've still got some fear barriers to get beyond, feedback to the following queries will greatly assist me.

I'm sometimes concerned that due to the depth of meditation that I may stop breathing altogether or my heart may slow right down even to a stop. Who is going to breath or beat my heart for me if I leave my body  :question: lol  

When exited, how do I get back in  :question:
Has anyone ever experienced any trouble in getting back in  :question:

Can anything cause you any harm at all wether during the process of trying to get out or whilst out and about  :question:

Thanks for any feedback.

Again, nice place.
Cheers

[dmoney]

spirits can damn near scare you to death, but no physical harm

[Ronnie]

lol, I could well imagine

[Ronnie]

Anyone out there got any feedback on the above questions  :question:

Thanks a lot

[Ben K]

Hi, first post here.
Cool forum, great info.

I've just started following with interest the OBE stuff due to some experiences in recent meditations. Im sure that I am nearly there with regards to exiting.

Couple of weeks ago I was in deep meditation, detached from feeling any physicalness and intentionally tried to merge with the darkness of my inner space experienced with my eyes closed. At this point I heard a loud ripping noise which startled me. I understand that this could have been me exiting though once startled I opened my eyes blah de blah. I noticed at this point that there was much heat around the back of my neck  :question:

You will hear lots of strange things when you get into the F10 state. The tearing could have been "mind chatter" as i call it. For me its anything from a strange sound effect (last night i heard "BOING") to a voice. If anything view this as progress

What I tend to do is meditate deeply until I can see images, shadows and symbols arising from my subconscious and then much like in Eckharte Tolle's teachings I connect or associate myself with the feeling of my own energetic presence, and its at this point that I begin to feel a bit wobbly or feel part of me outside of me but not as yet not a complete detachment from all of my physical body. What do you think, am I on the right path with this method  :question:

What kind of "images" are we talking about? I dont subscribe to the belief construct of a "subconscious" but i will assume you are talking about the sort of "mini-dreams" you get right before you fall asleep? The trick with these is not to get carried away in them, because if you do you will just fall asleep and wake up later wondering what happened. You have to almost look past these images and visualize your OWN scenario. If you havent heard of the mental rundown, check http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17413

I've still got some fear barriers to get beyond, feedback to the following queries will greatly assist me.

quite normal, i think we all have this issue at one point or another

I'm sometimes concerned that due to the depth of meditation that I may stop breathing altogether or my heart may slow right down even to a stop. Who is going to breath or beat my heart for me if I leave my body  :question: lol  

Haha, well its the same person that breathes when your sleeping! Sleeping and "astral projection" are actually VERY similar actions, so much so that we often confuse one for the other. Breathing is nothing you have to worry about. Your brain will make sure you breate while your consciousness is "gone"

When exited, how do I get back in  :question:
Has anyone ever experienced any trouble in getting back in  :question:

First of all, you are never "in" or "out" of your body. It only seems that way to us because we chose for it to be that way. What fun would life be without bodies? We have a subjective link with our physical bodies until we die, so you DO NOT need to worry about "getting back in" or "being possessed". not possible. You may read stories of people who DO have trouble finding a way back into their bodies, but the experience is a result of that persons individual beliefs, so you dont have anything to worry about as long as you realize that you CANNOT "leave" your physical body behind until you DIE. And you cant die from OBEing, unless someone kills your physical body while you are "away".

Can anything cause you any harm at all wether during the process of trying to get out or whilst out and about  :question:

Nope. All harm you may feel is a direct result of YOUR belief. So believe no harm will come to you and no harm will.

Thanks for any feedback.

Again, nice place.
Cheers

No problem, i have alot of free time right now

Also, read all the topics

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=46

and

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=44

The main thing to realize is that your beliefs are everything. literally everything you will experience, wether it be in life or on the "astral plane" is a result of your belief. your beliefs create your reality. So dont go into the "astral" believing in demons or devils, because you WILL SEE demons and devils! On the other hand, realize there is no such thing as these things except in your MIND and you will be fine.

Good Luck!

Ben

[Ronnie]

Good man, thanks a lot Ben, i'll read up on the thread links  

[mactombs]

so you dont have anything to worry about as long as you realize that you CANNOT "leave" your physical body behind until you DIE

I'm beginning to doubt this is true. I think it is very well possible to leave your body behind - I think the truth is it is DIFFICULT to leave your physical body behind until you die, and to do so is probably a result of a specific intention to do so.

First of all, you are never "in" or "out" of your body.

This is also debatable. If you are never "in" your body, then what use is it to have this terminology? Would you suggest making all of our references to where we are and how we relate to things as a society moot and start over? For all intents and purposes, I think it's very reasonable to say there is an "in" and "out" ... and that it may indeed be facilitated by non-local energies such as etheric or astral bodies.

Other than these points, I agree with Ben.

[catmeow]

First of all, you are never "in" or "out" of your body.

This is also debatable. If you are never "in" your body, then what use is it to have this terminology? Would you suggest making all of our references to where we are and how we relate to things as a society moot and start over? For all intents and purposes, I think it's very reasonable to say there is an "in" and "out" ... and that it may indeed be facilitated by non-local energies such as etheric or astral bodies.

I totally agree with you mactombs.  There is no need tp drop some perfectly good terminology (namely "in the body" or "out of the body") simply because (some) board members re-define the meaning of these terms.

Regardless of the mechanisms involved, "in the body" and "out of the body" are still totally legitimate vocabulary. Being permamanently "out of the body" is still a definition for physical death, even if the transition involved is one of mental focus rather than spatial relocation.  The terminology still holds good.  

Some board members have a "focus" model rather than a "spatial" model for OBE.  But this doesn't mean that the terms "in the body" and "out of the body" are meaningless, as Ben K suggests. Regardless of your opinions about the nature of OBE, the vocabulary is still completely meaningful.

As far as I'm concerned I am presently "in the body"!

[Ben K]

so you dont have anything to worry about as long as you realize that you CANNOT "leave" your physical body behind until you DIE

I'm beginning to doubt this is true. I think it is very well possible to leave your body behind - I think the truth is it is DIFFICULT to leave your physical body behind until you die, and to do so is probably a result of a specific intention to do so.

Oh i think anything is possible. But like you said to totally leave your physical body behind i think would require alot of practice an knowledge to do so. So newcomers are really in no danger.

This is also debatable. If you are never "in" your body, then what use is it to have this terminology? Would you suggest making all of our references to where we are and how we relate to things as a society moot and start over? For all intents and purposes, I think it's very reasonable to say there is an "in" and "out" ... and that it may indeed be facilitated by non-local energies such as etheric or astral bodies.

Other than these points, I agree with Ben.

The reason I say this is because the belief that you are in your physical body leads to more incorrect beliefs. It is quite fine to "consider" ones self as "in" their physical body. Im definitly not arguing that. But if your going after the truth, the fact is that we are NOT in our bodies. Technically, our bodies are "in" us! Someone holding this belief is liable for other potentially damaging beliefs, like the belief that they can leave there body and another entity will return instead of the original projector. So my point is for beliefs sake, try to think not in terms of "out" and "in" our bodies. It only leads to confusion.

If you realize reality is just a sum of beliefs, adding the belief that "iam in my physical body" can complicate things. alot.

Some board members have a "focus" model rather than a "spatial" model for OBE. But this doesn't mean that the terms "in the body" and "out of the body" are meaningless, as Ben K suggests. Regardless of your opinions about the nature of OBE, the vocabulary is still completely meaningful.

I never said they were meaningless. I think its helpful to think of ourselves as "in" our bodies during waking life actualy. But when you enter NON PHYSICAL reality with this belief you might run into some trouble. Thats all im saying.

Theres also a matter of PREFERANCE. And i cant argue that   Believe what you want to believe. Just realize reality is a direct reflection of that.