need help

[akashicpulse]

so i have been using the rope technique and i can get to the point where my body feels light or sometimes heavy. and i can create this kind of wave when i use this technique to keep inducing this light feeling. but this is as far as i have gotten and it takes for bonking ever to get to it. so if anyone has some pointers or techniques that would be tight.

[Urantia]

I haven't had any luck with techniques, but decided to take a look at my Lucid dreams...its much easier to watch u'r dreams since we have like 10 per night. Some we can't remember..Once you figure out you're in a dream, you can then OBE..The techniques work but much harder to trick your mind to do it...where as if u'r in a dream, u'r already in the right state of consiouness. I think you learn alot about u'rself also.

I'm still experimenting so..

[cassia]

I agree with Urantia projecting through lucid dreams are easier
I have the same problem that u have so I've decided to project via lucid dreams
I wish luck for u and me

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[CFTraveler]

so i have been using the rope technique and i can get to the point where my body feels light or sometimes heavy. and i can create this kind of wave when i use this technique to keep inducing this light feeling. but this is as far as i have gotten and it takes for bonking ever to get to it. so if anyone has some pointers or techniques that would be tight.

Make sure you're in deep trance and already having some sort of exit symptoms before trying the rope technique.  The rope tech is an exit tech, and too many people use it to get into trance and then when they finally get into trance stop trying and train themselves not to exit with it.
Try to use relaxation techs, then meditative techs, then energy body loosening techs, then trance techs, and then, when you're in the MABA stage then try an exit tech such as rope.

[369]

Is there a post of all the techs listed if not will someone knowledgeable create it?

[Davo]

I'll back up that last comment. Somebody make us a list for the unknowledgable folk, cheers.

[Lucky]

I'd love to share a big long list of techniques with you but here's the deal.

The list of techniques is one thing, writing them up, describing what they do, when to use 'em, how they work the theory behind 'em, and just the step by step instructions of them... is very time consuming.

But, I'll see what I can do.

I will start a list of some techniques - not how to do them though.  Perhaps you can snoop out the details later.

I have tried many techniques, and made up quite a few myself.  Some worked for me, some didn't.

But most of them I got out of astral project and oobe books.

There's also lots of techniques on the net.  Different places over the years I have found sites that offer these lists of techniques (with the details of how to do them).

But just for fun (and it will help bring back to mind for me as well) here's list of some techniques I've come across and used over the years.

Mind you there are techniques for various steps and stages of "getting out" or once you are out, staying out for awhile.

So different techniques for different part of getting out.  (This was mentioned in this thread already and is an excellent point to keep in mind.)

What you need to look at is what part of the 'getting out' process do you need to work on at your current level of training?

So even before there's a list of techniques there should be a short or brief list of the stages (for which there are techniques to help get proficient).

Thing is, some people (myself included) tend to jump to or reach for a technique that helps at the level just beyond were I am proficient.  It's kinda like the level you need to work on is a bit too difficult, too boring or too misunderstood, so what we all do is tend to move on past that "no fun" stuff and on to something new and exciting... like an exit technique.

I hope I don't sound like I'm lecturing!  (I am, I just hope I don't sound like I am!)

Ok here we go.


1.  First Stage = Deep relaxation - trance state, mind awake-body asleep, meditation, sleep paralysis, hypnagogic state (aka vivid image seeing state between asleep and awake).

There's various techniques for this - really quite a few.  Most all have something do with meditation or deep relaxation. (Google it to find some techniques you think will work for you and practice, practice, practice.)

So one technique for this stage 1 thing is to practice any form of meditation or deep relaxation you can find.  You can probably Google it and find several sites that go into the details on how to do these things a lot faster than I could write up just one.

Hypno-tapes and cds are sometimes pretty good with this deep relaxation thing if that's your thing.  Monroe's first series worked well for me.

Another technique for getting to the mind awake body asleep place is to set your clock to get you to wake up about 45 minutes to a couple hours before your usual morning wake up time.  (The idea is to get you to wake up in the middle of an oobe you wouldn't even know you had otherwise - cause you couldn't remember it.)

Along those same lines...waking up about 30 to 45 minutes after going to sleep at night is a technique to get you to mind awake-body asleep.  Use an alarm clock set to a very, very soft tone.  (You do not want to wake up the body, just You!) 

Theory:  Your body goes to sleep usually the same time YOU do.
So no matter what sort of relaxation or deep trance or mind awake body asleep thing you are doing, there's the body going to sleep, and there's you going to sleep (sleep or unconscious -pick the turn of phrase you like best).

The idea is to either stay awake as your body drifts off to sleep, or wake back up after you AND your body both fall asleep.  So there's several techniques for accomplishing this.  The above are just two of many.

One that Thomas Edison has been said to use is to hold marbles in hand as he sits in his easy chair for a nap.  As he drifts off to sleep, his grip slackens and the marbles fall into a bowl, causing him top wake back up just as he is falling asleep.  Technically this is not a technique for getting into a deeply relaxed state (Duh!)  But what it is instead, is a technique for getting into the hypnagogic (vivid image seeing state) which is really another aspect or step or stage to the 'getting out' process.

The good news is that we all don't always have to consciously do all these various stages of getting out.  Sometimes they happen naturally, sometimes they happen and we don't notice they did, and sometimes all the steps are not necessary. 

And I think this might why new people sometimes go straight the 'exit' techniques.... because others have done "just the exit technique" like the rope thing or something like that, and it worked for them.  What may not have been mentioned (or noticed) is that maybe the traveler's physical body was deep into a trance state, i.e. deeply asleep.  No telling what the details might be.  The point is there really is a lot going on here "behind the scenes.  The good news is there are lots of workable techniques, methods and approaches to 'getting out' and/or polishing your skills to get out more, better and faster.  Lots of books on this stuff, lots of websites, lots of techniques.  Just gotta remember, it's not always just about that 'exit' technique.

So all these "Stage 1" techniques... once you understand some of the basic  principles involved with them (as mentioned above) you can really start inventing your own.  Or at least start making educated guesses as to which one's will work best for you and whether or not you even need stage 1 stuff.  Maybe you have stage 1 nailed!

Ok, then on to Stage 2.

Once you get to Stage 1 - deeply relaxed, mind awake-body asleep, that sort thing...once you get there you are ready to apply (as needed) Stage 2 techniques.

One of the main things to know about these stage 2 techniques is what you are trying to do at this stage 2 in the first place.

At stage 2 you want to withdraw you attention from all things physical.
this is because it's your attention on the physical (or any aspect of it - like your body, your physical life problems, room temperature, etc.)... it's your attention on the physical that plays a major roll in keeping you here and reminding you of the whole physical life "thing" you got going here.  You have to let it all go, in order to "get away" from the physical.

Let put the above another way in stage 2 you gotta have your attention on something non-physical, because you are ultimately going where your attention is.  If it's on any aspect of your body...not good.

So once you have the body asleep and mind awake (i.e. you are awake, but your body is asleep or in a nice trance state) you are ready to pull the rest of your attention (as needed) away from the physical.

Now all the above was a lot of "theory" before I've even mentioned a technique.  But the reason I'm telling you this is so you understand on a deeper level what you are trying to do here, so that you can better understand what techniques to use when, and even how to start creating your own techniques (if that's your thing).

Stage 2 techniques:
There's the "buzz drill" for lack of a better name.  It's the technique in Robert Monroe's first book: Journey's Out of Body (near the back I think).  He has you focus attention above your head as you try to get the vibrations going, and once you do (if ya do - it takes practice) then you pull the vibs down from your head through your body to your feet and then back up again.

At first your attention will sort of be on your body, but when it starts working all your attention is on the buzzing sensation itself.  And this feeling is actually focusing our attention on a non-physical energy phenomena, it's your second body aka astral body that's buzzing like crazy, not your physical.  So this is a second stage drill... as it is helping you take your attention completely off all things physical.  (as a note: if you try to do a stage 3 technique and you haven't gotten past stage 1 or 2, it may work but it's not likely.  Also it's good to be aware that some techniques will inherently take you through more than one stage, and if they are really good, may take you all the way to oobe, just that one drill.

Also keep in mind that all this Stage 1, 2 and 3 sort of thing is really about ONE approach to getting out of body (the approach where you are getting out by first putting the body to sleep, and you then wake back up a little later or a lot later).  But this is different from "getting out" via a dream or a lucid dream, and a few other ways of "getting out".

There's also 'scared out', 'knocked out of body', runners sometimes go out of body while running, there's 'talked out' similar to a remote viewing session with viewer and handler... but instead of remote viewing you actually go out of body with the help of the guide.

But back to stage 2 where whatever technique is employed, you are drawing attention off the physical and onto the non-physical.

There's the chalkboard drill; Simple really.  If you have gotten past stage 1, and the body's asleep and you're awake, you can visualize writng numbers or letters on a chalkboard, then erasing each number, then writing the next and so on.  The idea is that you get so involved in this that your attention is pulled off any parts of your physical body etc, and there you are, mind awake, body asleep, and attention on the non-physical almost completely.  What usually happens if this technique works for you is that yo begin to see other things you weren't even trying to see.  And there you, ready for stage 3.

Stage 3.

At stage 3 you are ready for all sorts of exit techniques.

a.The rope thing, where you use it to pull yourself out of body.

b. The elevator visualization where you imagine stepping into the elevator and going up - I suppose you could imagine going down - let me know how that goes  )

c. Rolling side to side like a log your trying to roll out of rut, side to side until you build up enough momentum to over come the 'magnetic-like' influence the physical body has on your astral/energy body. (I read about this one in Robert Monroe's first book as well.)

d.  Stretching:  (Courtesy of willy Sutfen - he had an astral projection hypno-tape series going about 20 years ago, they still on the market, I don't know, anyway...) Imagine stretching your head a few inches beyond your physical head.  Then pull it back.  Then do your feet. Then pull 'em back.  Keep stretching both directions until you notice you are out of body.  This one never worked for me personally though.  sounds good and I think it's probably worked for others.

But here's the theory behind it.   Once you are deeply relaxed and in your trancy "mind awake-body asleep" state (stage 1)... your energy body/astral body can still be stuck (magnetically sort of) in your physical body, so it's your job to pull it out on way or another, if the rope didn't work... you can try stretching your very elastic astral body this way and that.  The idea is to work it loose from the physical body and like with a magnet stuck to a "refrigerator door", if you just get one little part of that sucker unattached the rest gets a lot easier really fast.  The trick is to keep the attention on your astral body and none at all on the physical body.  I think the times I did it, it didn't work so well cause I really hadn't gotten completely past stage 1, much less stage 2, and this is "technically" a stage 3 type process.  But remember some processes do work double duty and can handle helping you get through more than one stage.

Another Stage 3 type technique is to imagine you are lighter than air balloon.  Sometimes your astral body will respond nicely to this intention and you will feel very bouyant almost instantly... but you will also notice that magnetic type pull of the physical body on the astral body.  And once again this technique works best if you have gotten stably past stage 1 and 2.

Trying to do these stage 3 visualization/imagine type processes as a way to exit the body, when you haven't fully accomplished the objectives of stages 1 and 2 may cause you to work extra hard at them, with somewhat unsatisfactory results.  (Did I say that in a nice enough way?  Was that better than saying "Read my lips...it probably won't freakin' work, ya Goof! " )

So anyway, there's tons of techniques for all this stuff, for all the stages of it.
And there are other forums out there that actually have a section on techniques.  Well there was one for sure (Jonas Ridgeway's, but last I heard that one's gone).  But I can only suppose there are others.

The way I learned so many is I bought lots of books over the years (20 or more - that's books not years... no wait, yeah over 20 books, and over 20 years too, yeah )... And then also I've read stuff on the net and all.  Like you're doing.

I've just probably been at it a little longer than you is all.

I don't think my post here is exactly what you were looking for, but your post certainly got me inspired to at least share some of the stuff I've learned over the years.

So thank you for asking about a list of techniques.

I hope some of this helps you.  And if you can't find a place with lots of projection techniques on the net, with all the details, let me know, I'll see if can find some that I've come across over the years, and send ya the links.

Lucky