Frustration to the highest DEGREE

[ady]

First of all, it's great that you have the motivation! Find for yourself what you are trying to reach, what it your aim? Don't want to judge anything, but sometimes overpractice can harm your progress.
On the other hand, you might just have energy blockages (or leakages) in your body, that don't let you project. Did you try practicing NEW?
And remember that the spent practicing is very valuable and was not wasted! So don't get dissapointed

Andrei

[Rastus]

You said you've been practicing AP.  What about building energy (think of energy as gasoline, no gas and it's going to be a short trip, empty tank and the engine won't start)?  What kind of meditation?  How deep do you meditate?  Have you attempted other metaphysical disciplines (being able to move a needle around on the surface of a bowl of water is a great confidence builder.

I have found that OOBE (as opposed to AP) is probably one of the harder disciplines to do froms "scratch" for a new person.

[Rakon]

quote:Originally posted by rhart15

I've been practicing AP for a while know, a couple of months on.. and off.  Recently I've practiced everday and everynight to no finishing results... I've read and researched all sorts of different methods and none get me to the exit point...  The farthest its seems i've gotten is just to a relaxing state, I haven't gotten vibrations, noises, or anything like that.. just unusefull imagery.  Although sometimes I do drift asleep for moments or I just forget certain parts of the practice... is there something im doing wrong or can someone give me advice on getting to the vibration stage?  Thanks

I know how frustrating it can get, it took me 6 months to get out ot my body. There were times when I was convincing myself that AP is a lie and that everybody who talks about APing is a liar. But something kept me trying. After my first projcetion, everything was easier. I figured out what I had to do to project and I had another projection in a week. Now I have about 3 projections in a week, and it's been just 2 months since my first projection.

Don't give up! Your time will come. If you try really hard, it's impossible to get no results.

[Dream Cadet]

rhart15,

Just keep trying new things.  I don't think the concept of OBE/AP is complicated.  What makes it hard to accomplish is finding something that works for you.  I personally only get vibrations if I am about to exit.  I read a lot about people who are able to reach the vibration stage but can't exit.  I am different.  If I make it to the vibration stage, I'm gone![]

I finally got out again last night after being in a slump that lasted 4 months to the day.  This was after I was able to have 9 OBEs in 3 months.  I was frustrated to say the least.  

Don't get discouraged.  Just read everything you can, try something for a couple of weeks. If it don't work, try something else.  Remember, you have plenty of time.  When it happens, it will be well worth it.

Good Luck,

D.C.

[rhart15]

Thanks, how do i practice energy stuff do you have a link that will tell me how and what i need to do to get better and energy work?

[Rastus]

The download page is here: http://www.astralpulse.com/downloads/downloads.htm

Remember, it is one method, and there are litterally dozens on the net that will work, and probably over 100 in a variety of books.  It doesn't matter if its Robert Bruce NEW, Wiccan, Shaman, Yogi, or something from a ancient celtic writings; the key is does it work for you?  Don't be afraid to use one technique for Chakras and another for power building, but give each a little time to get their feel.

[Rakon]

Does anybody know a link for wiccan methods? I only worked with NEW so far.

[Rastus]

wicca.com
wicca.org
But they are a little particular about things (no spells allowed onlne).  Remember, for a true pagan/wiccan its a religion.

The occult section at the library is pretty good, look for the witches grimoire by Frost and Frost(or about any of their works).  ISBN number 133.43 I believe is the section you want.

[rhart15]

I've been practicing AP for a while know, a couple of months on.. and off.  Recently I've practiced everday and everynight to no finishing results... I've read and researched all sorts of different methods and none get me to the exit point...  The farthest its seems i've gotten is just to a relaxing state, I haven't gotten vibrations, noises, or anything like that.. just unusefull imagery.  Although sometimes I do drift asleep for moments or I just forget certain parts of the practice... is there something im doing wrong or can someone give me advice on getting to the vibration stage?  Thanks