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Summerlander · April 29, 2011, 20:01:03

No...no argument...just stating a fact up there. Also, I subscribe to the Buddhist view that demons have no objective reality. But that's just me. You believe what you want, buddy!

CFTraveler · April 29, 2011, 20:17:02

I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.
I'm not saying I think demons exist or any such thing- I'm saying that telling someone 'negs are just your imagination' as I often see is not helpful.
I personally don't believe anything that we experience (in the physical even) is objectively real, but that is not helpful when something scary is happening to someone else. It's like saying 'your fears are invalid, get over it' which I do see from time to time.
Someone may classify tripping on a rock and hurting your foot as a negative experience, when this experience may be ultimately beneficial for them, but it's up to them to come to this conclusion, ultimately.

And now I'm sorry I gave an opinion, apparently 40 years of experience is not long enough.

Summerlander · April 30, 2011, 08:01:55

Oh, I definitely get you on that part. Experiencing demons is not necessarily negative. It could be that the mind is trying to face certain unresolved issues. That's one interpretation anyway. But that they arise in the mind, they do. Take nightmares for example...

Some scientists believe that certain body functions are behind them. Small children find the emotions of rage or hatred so strange and overpowering that at night they re-create them as a particularly forceful dream-picture. This idea is reinforced by the fact that nightmares start in children just about the age when they develop an understanding of good and bad behaviour.

So, saying to a 4 or 5 year-old, 'You'll really get it if you pinch Suzy again' impresses on the child a sense that many of its natural feelings are bad and dangerous. Consequently he has nightmares in which he realises the awful consequences of letting 'naughtiness' get out of hand. In older people nightmares can often be a repeat of these childhood fears and may indicate that there is a problem still unsolved in the person's character.

This idea is taken further by other psychologists who believe that people often have nightmares as a result of half-understood physical sensations. Girls in their teens, waking up to the idea of sex, often have very intense dreams which are representations of their emerging sexual drive. What you do not understand often frightens you - and so the dream becomes a nightmare, with a 'big black thing' chasing you and your legs refusing to move.

Dreams of falling from high places can be quite terrifying as well - but they can also occur with no feeling of fear at all! Some of the most disturbing nightmares that adults experience are caused by anxiety. As often as not, the events of the dream may seem innocuous enough, but the atmosphere of fear, disgust, anger, sorrow or bewilderment will be the dominant feeling, enough to wake you and leave you feeling disturbed and agitated for some time afterwards.

Likewise, demons arise in dissonant states of mind. They have no objective reality. They only manifest in the phase state as representational forms that our mind focuses on. Once we recognise them for what they truly are, they cease to be and we no longer experience them. They are simply "the devil in all of us".

Many of you are simply allowing your beliefs in demons to manifest as "reality" on a metaphysical level. The truth is that nothing, and I mean NOTHING can harm you when you are out of body and I say this with 100% conviction. You on the other hand say that the physical reality is not objective but try telling that to someone who is suffering from a severe case of arthritis or to someone loses an arm or a leg in an accident (Bedeekin has used this example before and he has a good point).

The discomfort experienced in altered states other than the waking one, which can emulate physical discomfort, is merely what the consciousness is focusing on. Don't let this subconscious imagery overlap your experience and ruin it for you. OOBEs are pleasant experiences and can help you just like lucid dreams. I'll now use my Buddhist example to get my point across and it also agrees with the fact that these experiences don't have to be negative. In fact, they can help you grow and come to realisations:

Buddha defeated the demon Mara in deep meditation by realising that demon was merely an aspect of himself...then he was free. When you see a demonic figure or a monster, just remember that nothing can harm you and face it. It is probably fear manifested. I haven't experienced anything scary in a long time now!

In Tibetan Buddhism, when dead people begin their adventure in death, they will at first roam in the physical realm where they see their relatives mourning for them. Slowly, the physical realm starts to adopt a dreamlike quality as their focus shifts towards the non-physical realm (Sambhogakaya). There they will encounter an "apparitional field" which resembles the physical realm they left and is the archetype for it. They have all the senses, a body like the former one and mirage-like vision. They may also experience hordes of demons which Buddhist teaching state that they have no objective reality but in the mind of the deceased individual. It is not a punishment. It is merely the mind paying attention to dissonant states that need sorting out. States that you don't even have to focus on, just recognise them for what they are. The real nature of your mind, as you must be aware according to Buddhism, is of a radiant emptiness which is aware of itself (pristine cognition).

I want to encourage people to embrace these "OOBE"/"Astral Projection" experiences (whatever you want to call them), to explore them and to have fun! Not to scare them off! Of course OOBEs can turn into unpleasant experiences but people won't solve this problem by quitting them.

personalreality · April 30, 2011, 09:16:07

Quote from: Bedeekin on April 29, 2011, 14:30:40
If so... then it would be fair to assume astral lions hunting astral Gazelle... or maybe the Gazelle get their own back in the astral. Remember that animals don't kill out of malice... they kill out of necessity. We... and to some extent Chimps and Dolphins do display violent tendancies for no other reason than for sport or fun... even then for Chimps and Dolphins, violent behavoir is primarily a group activity.

it's still an innate urge that in a sense is beyond our control. i also feel though that sentient creatures such as ourselves are heavily influenced by the environment (culture/society) we develop in. there are certainly complexities, but in general i think it's a cop-out to just say all of these "offenders" are pure evil or negative. we don't really know.

also, i don't think these beings are objectively real either.

Summerlander · April 30, 2011, 09:19:03

BOO!!!!

Xanth · April 30, 2011, 09:55:18

Ok... now THAT is scary. >_<

Summerlander · April 30, 2011, 09:59:19

Yes...but is it negative?? It probably made you laugh right? It put a smile on your face today...

personalreality · April 30, 2011, 09:59:58

terror kitty actually put more of a smile on my face.

Summerlander · April 30, 2011, 10:00:42

Different perspectives. I like it ^^

c0sm0nautt · May 01, 2011, 21:00:26

What about "grey" aliens? What do you all make of them? There are numerous reports of these beings abducting people against their will. Are they just imagination? The channeled entity Bashar proposed the interesting idea that they are actually humans from a future-parallel Earth who have destroyed their world and come to ours to collect genetic material in an attempt to preserve their dying race. I've also heard they cannot feel emotions - which for some reason scares me.

Dazino · May 01, 2011, 22:24:12

@c0sm0nautt

I have theories, of course, but I've never had an experience with them, so I don't want to try and pretend I know what they are, or what people have experienced.

kurtykurt42 · May 02, 2011, 05:15:51

Quote from: c0sm0nautt on May 01, 2011, 21:00:26
What about "grey" aliens? What do you all make of them? There are numerous reports of these beings abducting people against their will. Are they just imagination? The channeled entity Bashar proposed the interesting idea that they are actually humans from a future-parallel Earth who have destroyed their world and come to ours to collect genetic material in an attempt to preserve their dying race. I've also heard they cannot feel emotions - which for some reason scares me.

Most of the grays in this sector of the galaxy come from the Zeta Reticuli system. From my personal encounters w/ them while exploring ap, they are heartless intersimensional travelers that explore planets out of curiosity. Never seen one in this dimension yet but from what I hear they're pretty scrawny and without there fancy technology they're like helpless children.

Summerlander · May 02, 2011, 14:24:53

Quote from: c0sm0nautt on May 01, 2011, 21:00:26
What about "grey" aliens? What do you all make of them? There are numerous reports of these beings abducting people against their will. Are they just imagination? The channeled entity Bashar proposed the interesting idea that they are actually humans from a future-parallel Earth who have destroyed their world and come to ours to collect genetic material in an attempt to preserve their dying race. I've also heard they cannot feel emotions - which for some reason scares me.

You should ask Bedeekin where he's from. He's one of them. He's told me before that his race comes from another universe. Also, the greys are genetically engineered beings for the purpose of inter-dimensional travel. They are not even original. the original race "designed" them to purposely steer their crafts.

Xanth · May 02, 2011, 15:15:33

*throws in the towel*
*storms outta the room!*

LOL

Summerlander · May 02, 2011, 15:17:19

c0sm0nautt · May 02, 2011, 22:38:38

Quote from: Summerlander on May 02, 2011, 14:24:53
They are not even original. the original race "designed" them to purposely steer their crafts.

Interesting theory. Who is the designer race? Us from the future?

Summerlander · May 03, 2011, 05:01:39

No. Another universe. Also, this knowledge was acquired by someone who worked at the Wright Patterson Base at the time and was asked to study the debris and what was found and learn as much as possible. Because of that, today we are essentially using alien-inspired tech.

c0sm0nautt · May 03, 2011, 16:24:27

Cool. I love thinking about this stuff.

Summerlander · May 04, 2011, 18:00:10

Me too! Btw, what do you think about this video:

http://www.google.com/m/url?ei=Edi-TYjrE5PPjAemg7_zAg&gl=us&hl=en&q=http://www.allnewsweb.com/page1199999543.php&tbs=nws:1&ved=0CBkQqQIwAA&usg=AFQjCNGoPnMs399Sa41XI78XQROxI17ikA

People have already been speculating on AVers:
http://astralviewers.com/links-and-humor/is-this-alien-gray-real/

Perhaps they are not just confined to SP experiences after all...

NoY · May 04, 2011, 18:05:47

Interesting video ....very

:NoY:

Summerlander · May 04, 2011, 18:07:02

Bedeekin works for the film industry. The guy is a graphics expert. He is convinced that what you are seeing there is a genuine alien.

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