In ordinary life, the vast majority of suffering is self inflicted, one way or another. Yes, violence from another is not uncommon, but hardly the norm that ordinary emotional negativity is.
To quote myself from another thread;
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...the core question here is just what is a neg?? I think if a person can determine just what they are dealling with, then what to do about it naturally flows out of that, and I agree solidly most of the time it is a manifestation of one's own psyche, thus the need for self-reflection.
If I had to guess, I would estimate that one case in a thousand of 'neg' attack is actually an external force of some kind.
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I wonder what these 10% have in common...
Knowledge - or lack of.
Most people are ignorant of psychic phenomena and their own power over it, and themselves. Under these circumstances, negative behavior is a virtual invitation for exploitation.
Basic training in recognizing and eliminating negativity in oneself and meditative practice would go a looooong way in eliminating most of these, IMO.
10% That´s a lot! Now we just need to know if that 10% it is just in Western world, because i bet that in African tribes, and some Oriental populatiions, that still living in nature, they dont ave such problems.
Maybe negs are a result of our world and thoughts.
btw, do you know any good e-book, or web page that can teach for free some good things related with negs?
What this person and some others are probably asking asking is this:
Is it a NEG or is it me?
That's based on observations and PM's. I think they (and I for that matter) naively assumed that a board on MetaPhysics would be different. It's not, it's 100% exactly like every other board on the Internet.
To answer Kazbadan's question (and a few others from other threads)
Negs range from unintelligent energy manifestations to deranged ghosts to incoporial wildlife to demons to "you don't want to know".
What some of the responces are trying to say is that it's usually not a NEG. Often times its simply a character flaw in oneself that gets out of control. It's anger turned inward that festers and rots. But not always. Sometimes a NEG starts things, and sometimes it finishes things.
In my opinion, dabbling in Metaphysics (whatever your training discipline) makes you more likely to attract NEGs. It also makes you more likely to defeat them, since you recognize them for what they are.
How to know for sure? When your energy work hits a certain level you will know, without a doubt.
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In my opinion, dabbling in Metaphysics (whatever your training discipline) makes you more likely to attract NEGs. It also makes you more likely to defeat them, since you recognize them for what they are.
I agree Rastus, in that it is a matter of awareness and how one's awareness affects one's experience. For example I once worked with a guy who was in charge of a large warehouse, and he lived in mortal fear of large shipments of small containers of anything liquid. [:P] Certainly, unless you dabbled in 'warehousing', you would never run into this particular fear - though once you had some experience, you would be more likely to 'defeat' it, for you would then know much better how to deal with it. [;)]
I could make a million such analogies, in any discipline. The interesting thing about 'metaphysics' is that psychic communication is always metaphorical, as translated by the mind, so tends to be more directly meaningful to the individual.
My perspective must be skewed, all those years in a metaphysical coma.
I do know that I'm much more sensitive now than I was 6 months ago. Mostly from doing energy work with a vengence. So does that mean I'm now sensing what was always there, or am I attracting more things to sense? Yet another one for my Chicken/egg list [:P]
I even had another first this week. My wife and I were at a friends house (someone I dislike, and has a very negative attitude and the house has a 'low' atomsphere). We were watching TV, and I was meditating because I was bored. I looked at the floor in front of me, and saw something that looked like a swarm of gnats/mosquitos(new to me, or maybe I dismissed it before?). It sort of hovered over my left knee, then I felt a shooting pain in my knee. I mentally massaged my knee and flared some power and it moved away.
Now did I really see a NEG and did it attack me? Or was I just seeing things in the funky stained carpet, and my imagination twinged my knee, because that's what I was expecting? Did I create it as a thoughtform entity because that's what the house felt like? These are the questions that the new people are really asking, and the sad part is there is not a definitive answer [:(] (I think it really was a NEG, I don't go over there for a reason)
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Now did I really see a NEG and did it attack me?
My short answer: Yes.
However, fully understanding my view necessitates some much longer explanations. Ya see, in my past I went through a period of immense psychic activity and AP, which I eventually stopped for the very misgivings you bring up - I thought I was losing my mind. So, I've been thinking about it for the past five years.
I've decided the context and meanings are real, though the perceptions and experiences are almost always metaphorical translations of the mind.
For example, let's say you see a demon. What does a demon look like? Well, common lore has it that a demon has horns, claws, big teeth, red or black skin, hooved feet, a tail, and hellish halitosis. (The exact description will vary, but bare in mind for examples sake that the description is almost always "demonic")
Let's think about this. Such features as claws and big teeth are representative of what? Of carnivores. Carnivores have evolved these tools to better catch prey and rend flesh - except that there is no 'flesh' in the spirit realm. However the
meaning of rending and biting our persons to extract our essence is the same.
So, the logical conclusion is that Robert Bruce is correct, that we are all really just point consciousnesses, and what we are
perceiving as teeth and claws and a horrific disposition is how our mind translates the intentions of the demonic consciousness. Astral sight consists of metaphoric translations of energy patterns. This is precisely why it is so difficult to seperate out the subjectivity of an AP experience.
Getting back to my other post about dabbling in warehousing, not only does our perception shape our experience, but also our experience shapes our perception. Training the mind over time, as you have, to become sensitive to subtle energies
does work, but you have to bare in mind that perceiving these energies directly is impossible. The mind needs a context for understanding, which Robert Bruce also explains at length in his ideas about downloading the astral experiences. I agree with him completely.
Getting back to your post, you report you "saw something that looked like a swarm of gnats/mosquitos." This makes a lot of sense if you look at it metaphorically, analysing it like it was a dream, though I'm quite sure what you were translating metaphorically was the actual 'negative' energy around you. What is the metaphoric meaning behind gnats/mosquitos? Gnats are a distracting nuisance, and mosquitos, while small, actually do suck the blood (essence) out of a person. This may very well be a very accurate metaphoric translation of the negative energies you are otherwise intuitively aware of in that house. 'Flaring some energy' in this case is a strengthening of your resolve to not let the energies affect you.
I would call it a 'Neg attack' only in the most general sense, as it seems it was fairly weak and unfocused, due no doubt to their ignorance of all matters metaphysical. Still, there are a lot of ego games and other nasties that can certainly have the effect of being a nuisance or even sucking the essence out of you.
Well put! (New people [and NEW people [:P] ] should bookmark that responce).
I think some people have read Robert's book and got scared. He is a bit graphic, and seems to have extreme examples. I've never had personal a problem as bad as most of his cases(but I have come across intelligent NEG's in my past). I did have a problems for months that I didn't associate with "NEGs". I was blaming it on our dogs sleeping on our bed (dog hair and dandruff). This was during my metaphysical coma/depression cycle. I would get the most horrible itches about 1/2 hour after going to bed. Eventually I'd give up and go soak in the tub for an hour or so and read. It worked every time, restful sleep afterward(although sometimes it was on a couch).
Now at the time I didn't associate it with anything metaphysical. But according to Robert, I did exactly the right thing to "break and attack". So was I breaking an attack? Or was I just suffering from a pet allergy? In hindsight I think it was me or my wife causing the problem. We were not on the best of terms at the time, with a lot of hurt feeling between us. So was I a NEG beacon, or producing the phenomonam myself? Hard to say. Either way it's a form of "NEG", but as to whether it was just energy, astral wildlife, or actually intelligent is open to debate.
It's like comparing "guns", anywhere from pellet pistol to railway cannon capable of shooting 100 miles, but they all look alike [;)]
Thanks for the kind words Rastus. [:)]
The uncertainty over just what might be causing an emotional or physical symptom is a very important question as we examine the nature of negs. That is why it is so important to examine and understand our own complicity in the manifestation of negs.
One thing that bothers me too about Robert Bruces book (though I've only skimmed it) is the prevalence I see on this board of neg hypochondria. Time and again newbies read the PSD forum and come away horrified, imagining everything they've perceived as negative in their life has been at the hands of a malevalent psychic entity. We have already established that the majority of neg 'attacks' are self-manifested. The only question now is, just how many.
I´ve been wondering about negs: what are they? Spirits? mosquito-like beings, that sucks you energy?
Maybe they are just creations of our mind, but real creations. I mean, when you are in a negative state (depression, etc) that energy wil take the form of a Neg that will drain your happyness. So, if this is a Neg, i would call it "spiritual cancer".
I would like to know a little more about negs, about what they can do or do not, about their look and if they are dangerous to find. I am a little afraid to find one in my first AP, so i would like to know too, how to find it (withou obing) and how to exterminate it.
Tell what you know about negs, and what you think about it.