Negs putting masks on you?

[Covelo]

Hi Patrick,

Very interesting stuff!  I have a friend that also tells me many more strange and 'out there' things of the astral planes.  She is able to see them and the beings around the clock.  She also is being 'held down' and much worse by certain beings I believe to be some of the most advanced at doing these restrictive things.  I am beginning to get a much broader perpective on this stuff and have learned from her much of these 'negs' master plans.  I have discovered that they mostly don't want people to find out what their up to, especially the ones with potential to stop their 'neg' activities(you must be one who can help put a stop to their shams).  Some of their 'secret' plans include:  taking women out of their bodies while they sleep and 'sexing' them to steal their energies, developing methods to 'feed' off people's higher energies, and generally keeping people in fear or confusion or anger by puting many of these implants or dark thought-form crystals or gadgets.  I can see MAJOR changes in my friend after severe bouts, especially eye color changes when they steal her higher energies, also much more dasterdly deeds.

I would suggest you ask this main guy who he was in his past lifes and he just might tell you.

I might also be able to answer some questions, as I have learned quite a bit from my friend, who really could use some extra help these days.  I also wonder if you might be able to project to her and see what's happening there.

Be well...

[Patrik]

Covelo,

I don't think these beings are to be counted as "advanced" really, the more advanced ones don't tend to stick to one person... and are usually much much worse. However that doesn't mean that these kinds are fun, or nice in any way.

The beings mentioned here have done similar things to me in the past... pushed me down on the floor after leaving the body... a group holding on to me, while they are laughing and playing etc. This is why I called them "bullies", just trying to scare you, preventing you from doing anything serious. However they don't really do things like this anymore, this was in the beginning before we "worked things out".

To your comment about taking women out of their bodies, not quite how it works... When you are asleep, you leave your body, however do not know it. So you lay there on the bed, out of body and the spirits around you can see you... I have woken up a few times by a spirit clanging on to me, in a negative way seeming to want energy transferred to him.

Of course I have also been woken up by completely other entities, which are warm loving, and who have even comforted me after a bad dream... and scared spirits, clanging on to me because of being terrified, not knowing they are dead...

It is interesting you would mention feeding of peoples higher energies... A theory of mine is that the suit they put on me, and the cable connected to it... Is a way for them to absorb my energies, transferring them through this cable. And that the lack of these energies etc, is a byproduct causing what I described above, a new "world view"... Like a cover has been put above the world, making it "wrong"... However this does start to sound a little too much "Matrix"... however it has to do something...

>I would suggest you ask this main guy who he was in his past lifes and he just might tell you

I have tried, however he is very secretive on that point... only giving short cryptic answers... He has however said something which indicates he knew my mother when she was young... However too little information to know for sure.

>I also wonder if you might be able to project to her and see what's happening there

Unfortunately not quite that simple... usually you need to know the person well in order to project to them... A photograph can work sometimes... But usually you need to know and feel their "essence", their personality etc... and that can't be done through a photograph. Also as I noted before, my abilities to project at will to a specific location or person is very limited... Still trying to master this, but not easy when you get interputed by spirits so often...

I do suggest she does all she can to get rid of them though... I am currently trying that myself, the effects are very limited... But in one way or the other I am gonna resolve this.

[cube]

Hmmmmmmmm....

I've found if I use my astral hands to pry my eyes open in an OBE that it fixes my blindness problem. I had thought that it worked because it's a way of explicitly giving your intent to open your astral eyes clearly.

But now I'm thinking it's because there's some kind of etheric gunk that forms over my eyes and that maybe some kind of spirit is putting it there?

I'll have to try cleaning off my entire astral body next time I'm out and see what that does.

[cube]

Patrik,

Do you think that you have to be out of body in order to clean off the masks that spirits have put on you? What if you did something like reiki on your physical body before projecting?

[Patrik]

cube,
I have tried several times to force my eyes open using my astral hands, and it does not work... I can at times see a faint light at the bottom, but besides that no... Removing the mask I mentioned does help though.

>But now I'm thinking it's because there's some kind of etheric gunk
>that forms over my eyes and that maybe some kind of spirit is
>putting it there?

Having vision problems is quite a common thing for projectors... I don't think they are all related to having masks on... Most people experience vision problems from time to time... and usually just opening them helps to see again.

I don't know if there is any other way to remove it than in the astral... Hopefully there is, but if so, not that I am aware of at the moment. I have currently declared a war against these entities, doing protection rituals all day long, and they are not happy... I have also ordered Robert Bruce's practical self-defence book... Always thought it was a waste buying it, and it would get you paranoid more than anything... But now I think I really need the suggestions in there...

[cube]

You description is quite fascinating, have you thought about writing a a novel about your exploits?

[Patrik]

I can't say I have, I think I need a lot more experience before I can even think about such a thing. Ones experiences are also very personal, so if I am to write a book regarding them it would have to be with the intention that oher people could benefit and learn from them, and not just a bunch of stories scaring people telling them about attacks

[cube]

I think the most useful thing would be a novel that gets into the underlying motivations everyone has, for instance why neutral spirits misbehave sometimes and how it is they got to be neutral spirits in the first place.

Basically a few short character sketches of the life histories of a couple of the spirits you've run across would be fascinating.

Most movies today seem to focus on the plot and not the characters, there haven't been any genuinely new plots in the last 100 years but there's an unlimited number of personalities and an unlimited number of ways for people's personalities to interact. So the difference between a good story and a stale story is how interesting the characters are.

I wouldn't get too hung up on getting the mystical aspects of it 100% right because the vast majority of the people reading it wouldn't really care (it's fiction to them). If you get the characters right then people would enjoy it.

[Patrik]

I don't think that is anything I am interested in... I have no interest in writing fiction, or novels... Assuming I in a future did write a book, it would be with the intention of telling my experiences to help other's, and guide them to their own understandings, making it as accurate as possible.

It might be true that most people would consider it fiction, however there are a small percentage who is truly seeking true experiences, and would appreciate genuine information, and those are the ones to write for.

I know myself that it were people who tried to tell things the way it was, telling what they experienced, that inspired me the most in the beginning.

[EnderZ]

Good luck with that Patrik, hope you figure everything out.

How do you know if an entite is around you while you are sleeping [be it bad and tryint to take energy, or just a good one hanging around]?

Recently within the past week or two, sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night without even realizing it at first. Its kind of like im dreaming, then i guess my only way to explain it is that it shifts from unconscience dreaming, to me in my bed looking up at my celing, thinking about the dream i just had. Its like the next thing I know im thinking with my eyes open about a dream i jsut had. I cant remember how i woke up in the first place, or what just happened a few seconds ago, i just check the time and go back to sleep. Now that i think about it after writing it down, is it possible im having spontainous projections at night? thatd be nice heh =]  I'll have to check next time it happens.  but good luck, I hope you get to the base of this whole mask and suit thing, and when you do, let us know

[Patrik]

EnderZ,
I know if an entity is in bed with me because I can feel it, how it feels depends on the level of relaxation. To take an example, I have/had a non-physical cat that used to sleep with me every night. I would go to bed, lay down, making myself comfortable... I can then feel a cat jumping up into the bed, walking around, making itself comfortable. When this happened in the beginning, I was constantly opening and closing my eyes, feeling that it felt just too real not to be a physical cat.

I could then feel it walk over to my back, and lay down against me. When feeling it walk around the bed, it is no difference to a physical cat and the non-physical one. When it however is laying against a body part, it feels physical, just with less "substance". As I get more and more relaxed, the cat starts to feel more and more solid, when at the end when I am just falling asleep it feels fully solid and physical.

I have woken up by this cat a few times in the middle of the night, feeling it on my chest, licking me in the face, wanting to cuddle... Since it is walking on my astral body, I am woken up out of body, and can pet it using my astral hands. Lately I have a few times when it was sleeping next to my ear heard it purr, very faint though clearly. I have however not felt or seen it for a couple of weeks now... I had another animal in bed with me a while back a few days, I think this one might have scared it away.

This same thing applies to feeling humans sleep next to you. Quite a while back I had a problem with a spirit that wanted to sleep in bed with me. The problem here was that it wanted to be so close to me, that his body was going "through" my physical body. This in itself does not feel nice when wanting to go to sleep... But the real problem was that as I got closer to sleep the spirit next to me felt more and more solid and physical. When I then did hit the sleep boarder and became unconcious, this spirit felt fully solid... And since it occupied the same space as me, it felt as if our bodies were "merged", this was a very uncomforting feeling... which caused my imidiate wakeup... Had a lot of problems sleeping a few days because of it... I eventually just ignored the spirit, pretended it was not there... and it eventually got bored and left.

To your comment regarding your wakeups, it is of course possible you wake up split. But it is also possible you just wake up from a dream, being in your physical body and then return to sleep, you can only tell by experimenting. If you wake up, see the actual ceiling, and then suddenly black and you do not see the ceiling any more... it is very likely you were split for a few seconds, too sleepy to realize.

Next time this happens, just sit up, don't think about it... just sit up... if you then suddenly find yourself laying down again, you were split and out of body

[EnderZ]

yea next time i wake up like that, im gonna see if i can float heh.

Feeling these entitys, could you always feel them like this before you started ap'ing, as in where you always sensitive to other nonphysical beings? That is really neat. If i was going to bed and felt someone trying to sleep next to me like that, i'd probably bug out haha.  

I've herd over and over that when you sleep or dream i think, you really are projected. Is your astral body just right by your physical the whole time? when i've herd that said, I always thought that our astral body was just roaming around the astral planes without awarness. But im guessing to be able to feel entitys like that, then your astral body is in the RTZ next to your body?

A few times while in a deep trance, I've felt some feelings around my legs, kind of like the covers on top of me are moving in some way, like if they where being scrunched up over and over again if that makes sense, but just ignored it. Was that just vibrations or do an entity?

[Patrik]

EnderZ,
I suggest not just trying to float out, but actively get out of bed... But if you do try to float, do not just "imagine" floating, make sure you "FEEL" it, feel yourself raising up more and more... Try to get yourself to the point of not feeling the bed any more. Floating up like this can be quite tricky, especially if you want to float away from bed, onto the floor... Tricky thing and not recommended as your main technique to get away from body.

No I was never able to feel spirits before I began to practise AP and trance states. It is something that has developed over time... Now I can sit at the computer, and feel the cat jump up on the chair, into my lap This however doesn't mean I can feel all the spirits all the time... If I am standing making dinner, and there is a spirit next to me, looking at me... I wouldn't notice.

>I've herd over and over that when you sleep or dream i think, you really are projected. Is your astral body just
>right by your physical the whole time? when i've herd that said, I always thought that our astral body was just
>roaming around the astral planes without awarness. But im guessing to be able to feel entitys like that, then your
>astral body is in the RTZ next to your body?

When you are asleep, you are in fact out of body yes, however you do not know it since you are unconcious. If you visit someone who is asleep, you might see then in their bed, close to the physical body... or walking around the apartment, acting silly. Can also happen he is some completely other place, like in another city, or at a friends house. You might have travelled to the friend, and you are both asleep, communicating with each other, both seeing the other in his/her own dreams... Or you might be communicating with a spirit, clouding the appearance by the spirit of subconcious images, thinking he is your friend.

I am not quite sure how it works regarding being in the planes and the real-time zone. If you are dreaming, and suddenly realize you are dreaming, hence having a lucid dream. You are now still surrounded by the subconcious images, and the background story of the dream might still be going on... If you now feel your back, you might feel that the silvercord is attached to the body. You can now clear away the subconcious images, and project to any place you like, just like in an OBE (can be tricky to get into the real-time zone, but possible).

On the other hand, I have experienced being in an unconcious dream, and suddenly a cat jumps on me for no reason in the dream... I then wake up, what I thought was physically... only to realize I was woken up out of body by the non-physical cat, and that was why I created a cat in my dream.

It is possible you are using two different bodies, one in the real-time zone, and one in the planes. By having a being shake your astral body in the real-time zone, you are transferred from the body in the planes to the one in the real-time zone... It might also be that you are out in the planes in your astral body, and the cat jumps up on your etheric body... This makes your astral body snap back into the etheric one, your astral body are now inside the etheric body... Realize you are split, and now pet the cat using your astral body, moving the astral body outside the etheric one again.

I really know too little on this subject, but it is a really interesting one... and earns some investigation.

>A few times while in a deep trance, I've felt some feelings around my legs,
>kind of like the covers on top of me are moving in some way, like if they
>where being scrunched up over and over again if that makes sense, but just
>ignored it. Was that just vibrations or do an entity?

Very hard to know what you mean exactly... it does however not sound like an entity, nor the vibrations... Might just be signs of the trance and relaxation, the numbness making itself more noticable, but can't say for sure. In any case I suggest you ignore it, all physical sensations are distractions when it comes to the split.

[Patrik]

I have lately noticed that some "friendly" negative entities has put a mask over my head. This mask is not noticeable when touching the face, or the hair... When touching the haid it is like there is nothing there... However when I touch my neck upwards, I feel my hands going under something... I pull it off, and feels like a mask covering my entire head.

I have some spirits around me that are usually quite nice, however they do NOT get happy and nice when I try to take this thing off.

Anyone know what it might be?


PLEASE, no guessings! I do not want comments by people giving one guess after the other... If you do not know what it is, please do not reply... I much rather have no replies than a page full of guesses, I have enough of them myself. It has been many months since I posted last... Please show me that it is actually possible to post something on this forum and get clear relevants replies.

Thanks.

[missfixx]

i have been dealing with this exact same thing for over a year now. i have heard others talk about this also.with me it is people from here doing it.they can suit me in a full body suit, and download all of my usual "files" onto the suit, so that if i take the suit off (using tactile techniques from the new system), my own body feels empty and drained.the newer body is like drugs, because it is less sensitive, like a barrier to outside world, but spirirtually very draining and damaging.
     one person can make many of these suits for others and it is like a trade,the wearer gets the false confidence of the barrier and the charisma of the person who makes the energy clothing,and the maker of the "clothing" has easy access to your thoughts and perceptions.the maker of the energy "clothes" can just sit as the money rolls in because your defenses are down  and they can just suck your life force. these people are not only very determined, but also very addicted energy vampires and if you take the suit or mask off, they will immediately feel the loss of their "medication"
     i have had limited success in gaining control of my energy. a lot does happen when i am sleeping and cant yet protect myself. i have found that all psychic control requires constant reaffirmation. controlling your spirit does not work on inertia.and psychic control comes down mainly to two basic factors:mental intimidation and guilt scenarios and triggers (often implanted in dreams) and impulse manipulations. self control and discipline is one of the best tools to avoid someones psychic aggression.another tool is self knowledge-KNOW YOUR OWN SOUND. i constantly check my own voice to make sure it is my sound.i have found that if i am in doubt, it is an energy to dispose of.but owning my space is a moment to moment battle and very stressfull.