Neurologists claim they can trigger OBE's

[beavis]

Where can I get one of those electrode machines and the settings to cause the obe?

[ZeroFour]

quote:Why didn't these Neurologists put in this infotmation into the report or that people can actually link up with each other duting OBE's by imagining each other or that OBEer's actually know whats going on it another room (through a sold wall).

As people of science, they wouldn't put anything like that in any kind of report, lest they lose credibility in the eyes of their colleagues. This is assuming that they even went in that direction in their testing, which I doubt that they did.

I suppose that someone could use the same methods and equipment to prove the existence of genuine OBEs.

[beavis]

I'm a scientist, and I'd put anything in the report that is true. Damn the skeptics. Let them repeat the experiment if they dont like it.

[upstream]

I'm a stakeholder somewhat in that brain business, and have to say that this research has little, if any significance.

You have to read Mr. Bruce comment about it, which seems to hit the heart of the matter.

http://www.soultravel.nu/2003/030112-bruce_vs_persinger/index.asp.

[T.L.]

I came across this discovery almost a year ago so I believe it, in fact I know it works first hand. This was before I was interested in projection so I didnt know what these sensations were nor did the friend of mine who experienced it also. I completely forget what I was doing at the time but I had a pc fan and my phone line was already spliced from trying an idea I had that involved splicing my line anyway I wanted to hook this led lit pc fan up to the phone line out of boredom never-the-less my friend was holding the phone to his right ear and listening when I hooked up the fan it kicked on and generated clicking sounds on the line I looked over at him about 20 seconds after I hooked the fan up to the line and he was falling over with an odd look on his face. He dropped the phone and after me asking him about 10 times what was going on (he seemed to be incoherent) he said "you have to try that"
Anyway I put the phone up to my ear and first I heard the clicks (which have nothing to do with the effects of this) I started to feel light (my body) and at the same time a certain heaviness and a few other bodily sensations and noises after about 20 seconds I started to black out and feel a sort of acceleration and lifting the phone fell out of my hand and I snapped out of it I dont know how long after I snapped out of it because it felt longer than it really was in real time. I didnt have the guts to try it again but it seems the motor was generating some kind of emp (not much but a little) and perhaps somehow made the phone do the same I am not exactly sure what happened exactly but we both held it up to the right side of the head to listen, I never did try it on the left side. Anyhow perhaps you can try and duplicate what I mentioned and see for yourselves.
It wasnt until about 6 months ago I got into the whole astral projection thing and I still have yet to experience a projection, but at any rate it wasnt until about 6 months ago I even considered that the effects might have to do with out of body experiences.
Anyway basically what I did was splice a connected phone line and connected a led lit pc fan ( I am sure any fan will work but I am not quite sure why it did what it did so maybe it plays a role) to the phone line, and then just picked up the phone and listened (with the right ear) and that was all it took, just be careful and if you decide to try this and it does work try not to hold the phone to your ear too long if you are standing you might want to sit down and have a friend close by in case, you never know because the effects to me felt like I was dying although I am not sure thats the case my friend said he felt as though he was dying too, which is how he explained it when I asked him what he felt.
I typed a book here lol anyway if you decide to try it and experience anything let me know via email. Take care.

[BurningAngel]

Neurologists can trigger obes by effecting the brain, think of the brain as the in-between filter of the two states. It should be clear how this is possible with this understanding.

[manuel]

This is very interesting T.L could you give some more detail on this phone thing please and how you do it.?

[manuel]

Taken from Conversations with Scientists Initiates
Brain and technology Update
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Starship/9201/scieinit/scieinit.html

MAGNETIC COMPONENTS OF BRAIN ACTIVITY
 
Let me continue. I already discussed the importance of the
  magnetic component of brain activity in studying and monitoring brain
  processes and functions accurately and precisely. Further research by
  our Russian colleagues has also shown that with parallel computing
  algorithms, one can plot three-dimensionally the magnetic field
  configuration and spatio-temporal time-varying fields of the
  midbrain's thalamus, hypothalamus, hippocampus, amygdala, pituitary
  and pineal functions in real time!

This is unprecedented, because it shows that, as we all here
  have learned in our Hermetic Gnostic Order's teachings, the so-called
  "Cave of Brahma", Dr. N's favourite "hang-out" (laughter), is indeed
  the magnetic and acoustic resonance chamber, its being a topological
  complex analogue of an ellipsoidal, prolate spheroid and a torus.
 
  In American lingo, I think that is called, a doughnut inside an egg?
  (Laughter) May I have the cine film strip please? Thank you. (Short
  film showing computer graphics is shown).

This shows a real-time plot of the nested magnetic fields around
  my own head. This piece of research was a little favour from a British
  colleague that likes to work nights. They call it the "Dracula Shift"
  (laughter). The white lines of the overallur, the green the Hypothalamus
  plus Thalamus field, the red the Hippocampus plus Amygdala cycloid-shaped
  field (semi-circular), and the dumb-bell shaped blue is the Epyphisis
  (Pineal) and Hypophysis (Pituitary) combined fields.
 
  I wrote this algorithm myself with the help of Professor Penrose --
  another unofficial favour -- to map the magnetic fields using both
  the SQUID sensor helmets and a special helmet designed by Dr. Z
  having Delta-T and Delta-Wye transforms, having specially designed
  magnetic coils and sensors.  This way we could pick up Pico and
  Nanogauss fields (billionth of a Gauss). The combined information is
  displayed here in three-dimensional coloured graphics.
 
  Notice the external white-lined shape is like an egg. Inside, almost
  at the centre, is the toroidal shape of the Hippocampus-Amygdala
  combined fields, the red contours. The central tube-like "sausage
  with trumpet-like open ends" looks like what? Anyone? (Chorus: "An
  Einstein-Rosen Bridge!" Right!

The blue-green combined field of the Thalamus-Hypothalamus-
  Pituitary-Pineal glands forms a sausage, like a mini hyperspace
  tunnel, about 7cm long. The screen image is magnified, but the actual
  side is about 7cm, (reflecting) the normal brain size.

Let me pause as minute. Can we replay that part? Thanks. Notice
  how the overall geometry is an ellipsoidal prolate spheroidal
  cavity containing a sub-space of a toroid traversed by a hyperbolic,
  non-linear Einstein-Rosen bridge.  Again, in American lingo, "an
  egg-shaped cavity containing a doughnut crossed by a sausage".
 
  What do these nested fields look like to you, dear friends? (Cross
  talk and comments).  A topological analogue of a relativistic,
  locally curved space-time locus around a solar system. Of course!
 
  What else? A space-time torus with an Einstein-Rosen bridge connecting
  its median points!
 
There, ladies and gentlemen...there is the scientific proof that
  the motto of our Order, the dictum of the ancient sages, "As Above,
  So Below ... As Within, So Without" is scientifically and
  neurophysiologically correct and precisely so! These shapes which you
  all recognise as hyperspatial four-dimensional plots, are indeed
  magnetic-acoustical resonance chambers. Notice that these amazing
  geometries are the synergistic effect of the magnetic fields of these
  six organs surrounded by the ventricles, under the roof of the choroid
  plexus and corpus callosum.
 
  Notice what happens if I subtract the field of even a single organ,
  let's say the pineal gland.  See how it changes the entire structure?13
  And, if I add the contribution of the mamillary body, it only widens
  the tube, right? And if we add the field from the reticular formation,
  the master circuit network, relay and switchboard of the brain where
  all waves are originated, what do we get? Next frame, please? We get
  a tunnel merging with the main ellipsoidal field. In the screen, it is
  the orange coloured grid.
 
To summarize, what is our Mid-Brain or Inner Cavity? It is a
  relativistic spatio-temporal cavity with local enfolded hyperspatial
  bridges that undergoes harmonic resonances to magnetic and acoustical
  stimuli. The implications are almost astronomical - may use the term,
  because a model and mechanism based on this novel scientific information
  implies that our human brain is in reality none other than a biological
  space-time energy transducer.
 
  As such, it creates not only space, but also time. Our ancient Chinese
  ancestors maintained that "the Tao was in our head", in other words,
  all the Universe was in our head!
 
  My own inference from this study is that space and time are
  essentially biologically modulated, perhaps even formulated, for my
  equations show that possibility. Should this intuitive scientific
  insight be correct, then it would demolish physics, biology,
  philosophy and theology in a single, clean blow.

Incidentally, I showed this filmstrip and discussed my theory
  and equations with Professor Penrose, who seemed interested at first,
  but very politely declined any further comment or association with me
  thereafter.14  I think he realised the impact of a novel theory. He is
  still convinced that quantum mechanics is the answer to explain brain
  functions and consciousness. I disagree. I think it is General
  Relativity and Unified Field a la Einstein, pure and simple.
 
  Quantum phenomena is not the cause, but merely the effect, and creation
  is not statistical. It is wholeheartedly deterministic, not left to
  chance, but to precisely formulated potentials, not fields. The
  potentials are the cause, the fields are the effects. In simple terms,
  pure magnetism and sound are the potentials. Electricity is the field.
  Magnetism and sound do not "travel" as such, for they are inherently
  enfolded in space and are everywhere. It is the disturbance that
  travels.
 
  On the other hand, electrical charge, hence electricity, does travel,
  because it needs a physical medium. It is obvious that we still don't
  understand either magnetism or the true nature of sound.

[upstream]

Thanks, Manuel!

This information is very gainful to me.

[T.L.]

That was very interesting.

[Moderneboy]

Mind cannot be brain function alone

In Fig.6 brains of matter are illustrated connecting with sense organs, represented by eyes, which observe crystals of matter by capturing photons reflected from them. All are built from matter. However, the brains on this model are only inert instruments used to operate the muscles of the body by interfacing with minds. Minds are isolated fragments of the i-ther (intelligent ether) connecting with each brain. Inferred to explain existing data, each brain is shown in direct communication with its conscious mind but the latter is separated by an information filter-barrier, programmed into the i-ther, to separate it from a sub-conscious component of the mind. Information can then flow from the conscious to the sub-conscious but not vice-versa. Then only the sub-conscious part can be in direct communication with all others via the filamentous network of the i-ther. In this way the information gathered can be stored and also used to enrich the whole.

However, the conscious minds of most people are confined to communication via the intermediary of matter so that they can act as individuals and manipulate only what they are confined to experience. This allows them to develop in meaningful ways by competition and co-operation. It is no wonder that our scientists have been deceived for so long into believing that matter is all that exists!

Such a speculation is supported by the evidence of psi which has been accumulating for more than a century and which is now gaining acceptance as scientific fact awaiting theoretical explanation. The "Scole Report" of the Society for Psychical Research by Keen(10) et al is proof of this and well worthy of study. Amazing phenomena are reported: all totally impossible from the viewpoint of established physics but explicable from the new standpoint unveiled. The speculation advanced here provides a hypothesis permitting most so-called psychic phenomena, to be explained as potentially real effects from an enhanced and extended base of theoretical physics. Until a theory is established for explaining the phenomena of psi it will continue to be regarded as a threat to be discredited and ignored.

Telepathy can now be attributed to controlled leaks in the information filter-barriers of two apparently separated individuals. The same can be expected between minds of the living and the deceased: so explaining mental mediumship. Water divining will also require such a leak. Here the sensitive is permitted direct access to the memory banks of the i-ther. Indeed, almost the entire spectrum encompassing psi phenomena can be explained as potentially real effects. These are considered in detail in this author's publications(4),( & (11). A number of astonishing experiences personally encountered by the author in his own research of psi phenomena are also described(4) & (.
.

[Moderneboy]

Failure to Rebut

Some of the giants of close-minded skepticism and materialism from the US, Australia and the UK contacted me primarily about the empirical evidence for the afterlife. Not one of the closed minded skeptic and scientists was able to legitimately and properly refute, rebut or negate the objective evidence I am presenting for the existence of the afterlife and for many aspects of psychic phenomena. I state that a few of these so called materialists actually make money or gain power and status from being anti-psychic. Others use their anti-psychic propaganda to promote their own careers - especially careers in Psychology or in some other academic field.

When Professor P Davies, the physicist who had a couple of best sellers on the New York list, imputed in the Sydney Morning Herald that he did not find any aspect of psychic phenomena valid I wrote to him and asked what aspects of psychic phenomena he had investigated and on what basis he had found them not to valid. I stated that as a psychic researcher of many years I, together with some of the world's greatest scientists who ever lived on this planet Earth did find validity in psychic phenomena. I received a reply that my query would be dealt with in the near future. Two years later I still have not had a reply! It would appear that even academics sell their principles for money or power or status! This professor was awarded a relatively huge grant by a religious organisation to continue to promote blind faith and irrational dogmaticisms.

But truth will out! With absolute certainty, truth will hit them in the face for their exploiting their position to promote darkness. A huge price will have to be paid for actually causing the darkness. It is not so much those who live in darkness that are liable but those who cause the darkness who have to pay a huge price. No one escapes the inevitability of the Law of Cause and Effect.




CONSERVATIVE SCIENTISTS AND DOCTORS ADMIT PARANORMAL TO BE ABSOLUTELY VALID! Reason why closed minded skeptics are so quiet about one of the most important psychic phenomena in HISTORY. Zwinge Randi, Sherman, Wiseman, Blackmore and those other aggressive CSICOP closed minded skeptics have been as quiet as a mouse and made to look rather ridiculous! And if science has confirmed one aspect of psychic phenomena to be valid, genuine and acceptable THEN ALL OTHER PSI empirically produced results as presented by some of the most brillinat minds on earth inevitably are valid and have to be accepted as genuine. Because this Russian girl with X-Ray vision is performing 'extra-natural', paranormal phenomenon has stunned the most hardened conservative scientists! Natalia Demkina has been very closely studied by Russian, English, American and other doctors and scientists and ALL stated that her paranormal is genuine!!!!!

Girl with X-ray Vision
Natalia Demkina, a 17 year old Russian girl caused a sensation with she appeared on British TV last week. Faced with four total strangers she correctly described their medical conditions including the fact that one of the test patients had only one kidney. The show's resident doctor Chris Steele admitted "My skepticism has waned. I have been very impressed. I've talked to a couple of the patients. Natalia has been spot on".

[Taalnar]

quote:I read this book that a man was having brain surgery and his heart and lungs were pumping through an external heart and lungs machine and there was ABSOLUTELY no electric impulses in his brain AND he eyes were covered completely and his ears were as well so he could hear nothing. After the operation he explained in devastating detail the operation that happened from his own point of view as in looking AT the Doctor.

Why didn't these Neurologists put in this infotmation into the report or that people can actually link up with each other duting OBE's by imagining each other or that OBEer's actually know whats going on it another room (through a sold wall).

I know what you mean.  I was reading a Psychology journal article about kids who have memories of a past life.  One child knew things in striking detail since he told the parents of his "past life" what happened to "him".  However, the psychologist concluded it must be because the child is different (psychologically) to other 'normal' children.  It said nothing in the conclusion about researching further how he knew what he knew (normally in academic articles there is a clause stating a need for further research) and why.  Just that he was psychologically different.  The psychologist needs to read my sig instead of looking at the original version of it (simple solution = most likely).

[jilola]

Well, who says OBEs can't be triggered by an outside stimulus?

The findings do, however, revolve around subjective descriptions of the phenomenon, much like the actual OBEs people have described.
The shortening of the subject's legs, mentioned in the quoted article, has no significant bearing on the vweracity of the OBE-like experience since a) the shortening was observed after a the leading question of watching one's legs and the as yet unproven state of OBE as opposed to the possible hypnagogic state induced by the stimulus.

If the brain is seens as an interface device to another mode of existence than poking the brain would not really tell much except that the radio was intentionally broken.

More research, perhaps we will be vindicated, if that's what we really need.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

[Hank]

Hi Folks,
My feel on this is thus:

How can you have a true measurable scientific experiment with one patient? What ever happened to multiple groups or even control groups?
A "scientist" and I would include Neurologists among this group, I work with a couple, can only validate what they can see, measure, weigh, touch, or smell. I've never seen an x-ray machine on the Astral Plane.

I think that the scientific method can be applied to the Astral World but do we really want to? I enjoy being able to interact with realms that operate via different rules than what our Physical Universe or at least what we think we know of our Universe. Lets not forget that our species has only been on this planet for a very short time, a blink of the eye in the big scale of things.

It wasn't that long ago that Swiss Neurologists might have told you that the Earth was flat and that there is know reason  for further exploration.

All I'm saying is be careful of "Published Findings" and don't forget that there are more testimonials that support a different view of OBE than that given by our friendly scientists. If the Neurologists were so sure that the Physical brain alone is the cause of OBE then why do they continue experimenting? But just in case, Where can I get a set of these electric probes? Sounds fun......

[Thanatos]

There is no single spot in the brain for inducing OBE's.   In general, temporal lobe epilepsies, electrical or magnetic stimulation of the temporal lobe, and dissociative drugs (such as ketamine and DXM) are means for inducing OBE's, but bear in mind that OBE's are simply experiences that have their foundation in brain function.  I have experienced OBE's but know for a fact that the experience was created by my brain.   The OBE experience is all in your head.  To believe that you're actually being transported out of your body is a mistake because your body is just a mental construct of your brain as well.

[manuel]

Yes its inside the head...and also outside of it, oh humanity makes me cringe when it comes to stuff about the mind, we have barely understood it, but bah im not touching this topic we all know where that goes... i dont care.

[upstream]

Also, as being part of your body (and your perceptual environment), your physical brain is a mental construct too, because you perceive it through its own sensory mechanisms. (Just make a hole in your skull and take a look at your visual cortex with the help of a mirror.)

[Dav]

quote:Originally posted by Moderneboy

Girl with X-ray Vision
Natalia Demkina, a 17 year old Russian girl caused a sensation with she appeared on British TV last week. Faced with four total strangers she correctly described their medical conditions including the fact that one of the test patients had only one kidney. The show's resident doctor Chris Steele admitted "My skepticism has waned. I have been very impressed. I've talked to a couple of the patients. Natalia has been spot on".

I read an article on this girl, and discovered that when she examined one particular patient, she failed to mention a missing kidney.

[Moderneboy]

"Notice the external white-lined shape is like an egg. Inside, almost
at the centre, is the toroidal shape of the Hippocampus-Amygdala
combined fields, the red contours. The central tube-like "sausage
with trumpet-like open ends" looks like what? Anyone? (Chorus: "An
Einstein-Rosen Bridge!" Right!

The blue-green combined field of the Thalamus-Hypothalamus-
Pituitary-Pineal glands forms a sausage, like a mini hyperspace
tunnel, about 7cm long. The screen image is magnified, but the actual
side is about 7cm, (reflecting) the normal brain size.

Let me pause as minute. Can we replay that part? Thanks. Notice
how the overall geometry is an ellipsoidal prolate spheroidal
cavity containing a sub-space of a toroid traversed by a hyperbolic,
non-linear Einstein-Rosen bridge. Again, in American lingo, "an
egg-shaped cavity containing a doughnut crossed by a sausage".

What do these nested fields look like to you, dear friends? (Cross
talk and comments). A topological analogue of a relativistic,
locally curved space-time locus around a solar system. Of course!

What else? A space-time torus with an Einstein-Rosen bridge connecting
its median points!

There, ladies and gentlemen...there is the scientific proof that
the motto of our Order, the dictum of the ancient sages, "As Above,
So Below ... As Within, So Without" is scientifically and
neurophysiologically correct and precisely so! These shapes which you
all recognise as hyperspatial four-dimensional plots, are indeed
magnetic-acoustical resonance chambers. Notice that these amazing
geometries are the synergistic effect of the magnetic fields of these
six organs surrounded by the ventricles, under the roof of the choroid
plexus and corpus callosum.

Notice what happens if I subtract the field of even a single organ,
let's say the pineal gland. See how it changes the entire structure?13
And, if I add the contribution of the mamillary body, it only widens
the tube, right? And if we add the field from the reticular formation,
the master circuit network, relay and switchboard of the brain where
all waves are originated, what do we get? Next frame, please? We get
a tunnel merging with the main ellipsoidal field. In the screen, it is
the orange coloured grid.

To summarize, what is our Mid-Brain or Inner Cavity? It is a
relativistic spatio-temporal cavity with local enfolded hyperspatial
bridges that undergoes harmonic resonances to magnetic and acoustical
stimuli. The implications are almost astronomical - may use the term,
because a model and mechanism based on this novel scientific information
implies that our human brain is in reality none other than a biological
space-time energy transducer.

As such, it creates not only space, but also time. Our ancient Chinese
ancestors maintained that "the Tao was in our head", in other words,
all the Universe was in our head!

My own inference from this study is that space and time are
essentially biologically modulated, perhaps even formulated, for my
equations show that possibility. Should this intuitive scientific
insight be correct, then it would demolish physics, biology,
philosophy and theology in a single, clean blow."

About this article, here is some other pieces from it:

"Leading Edge does not know the names or
identities of these scientists and researchers."

"Other information herein has been obtained through
private communication, by virtue of synchronistic events between
individuals, and by way of radio communications, especially shortwave
radio >(talk shows)<."

^LOL

"Sometimes we also grant favours by allowing some individuals to
use our superb, yet camouflaged libraries, for as the ancient Egyptians
and Babylonians practiced secret writing codes, there are Libraries
within libraries!"

*what a wacko statement, I think the article is a joke

"We are
totally anonymous, as are our temples and schools. Their locations are
secret, protected by truly hyperspatial and ultraspatial force fields,
impossible to detect and locate by any technology known to man today"

^LOL

"Dr.Z:  You call this Amerikanish hospitalishe? In CCCP only experiment
  is to see how much vodka you drink. That also gives great dreams! (wild
  laughter and raucous comments)"

^oookaay

"To begin, the Clementine moon mission revealed most unusual info, which
  was promptly censored by NASA, but, as always, the news leaked out.
  Those gigantic crystal structures, a couple of hundred meters tall, are
  none other than Gravitational Landau Wave Transducers.  I'm sure our
  Soviet colleagues agree on that. Since, as un-romantic as it may sound,
  the moon is not a true satellite of Earth, but merely a highly
  sophisticated spacecraft, built of steel and titanium, it was concluded
  that it was placed there as a gravitational stabilizer for Earth. By
  whom?  Obviously by a pre-eminent and extremely advanced civilisation"

are they locked up yet?

"The Israelites are the inventors of this gem, and it only works on one
  single frequency, but not in the Hertzian EM spectrum. Solitonic Scalars!"

"The Amerikaners NRO/NSA have a similar, but bulkier transceiver for
  video surveillance, about 5mm wide. It is rumored that every house will
  have one of these for absolute video surveillance.
 
  For audio, the ordinary telephone does a 24 hour surveillance on anyone
  while on the hook, its normal position. Taps are past history. Also,
  there is a function in all TV's that can be turned on remotely if a
  King or a President needs to address the country in an emergency.8
 
  There are also eavesdropping surveillance functions even if the TV is
  disconnected and unplugged from the AC socket. Ladies and gentlemen,
  they have not missed one single small detail, and all of this was
  planned in the 1950s and 1960s!"

next

"Next, the surveillance of currency, cash, gold and silver bullion/coins
  is truly masterful! Many countries, like Germany and England, have a
  metallic strip on the notes that is easy to locate. Removing it renders
  the note valueless.  However, in Amerika, since there has been worldwide
  counterfeiting of US dollars, the method is now different. They have
  inserted a coded strip of platinum-mylar composite in situ. All
  denominations have that now"

^would they be alive if they knew this?

" Dr G:   Not a very good idea! If they locate lead boxes/containers, they
  know you are trying to hide something. So? They can have IRS officers
  come unexpectedly and force you to open your safe and impound your
  funds. Worse yet, they can come and open your safe easily, or even
  steal it. Remember, they are highly skilled super-technological
  professionals. And they are extremely intelligent. They are not called
  "intelligence agencies" in vain! This is how they secretly locate,
  raid and rob the drug lords. They are the intelligence "robin hoods". "

^?

"Ms Dr.C:  This sounds terrible! How can I protect my 11-year-olds piggy
  bank? (Loud laughter). I think he's got a few hundred dollars put away
  for his favorite model airplanes. Can they take children's money too?"

^is this a comedy show or a scientific event?

"If you drop out of the banking system, the best way to hide your cash,
  or gold bullion, since so many people invest in gold, the thing not to
  do is (a) rent a safety box in a bank and (b) don't hide your money in
  your apartment or house if you live in as big city, or any city. You
  can't hide it there anywhere! Move to the suburbs or the country. Here
  we have to borrow the lore of Ancient Magicians and blend it with
  high-tech -- Babylonian style!"

^LOL

"All State and National Parks are already booby trapped
  with electronic gear to detect fugitives, dissidents, criminals or
  radicals that "run to the hills" and hide from authorities or the
  system."

are they locked up YET?

" In other words, ladies and gentlemen, now we have heavenly Federal
  spying via satellites at state and county levels. This is the next
  form of control and enforcement of the ridiculous and outrageous
  ordinances being passed all over the country and the county level."

"So, you can't get away from the government agencies even if you
  live in the forests! Lo and behold! No matter where you are, you will
  be required to buy a permit even if you are building a dog house, for
  with their satellite monitors, they can spot any construction change
  within feet, even inches of resolution! 1984 again? Oregon is now
  being monitored as well. For some reason, the Pacific Northwest is the
  testing ground for satellite surveillance operations. It could be
  because of the tactical importance of Fort Lewis11 and the nuclear
  submarine base."

" Dr G:   The large, tactical computers, perhaps, because even though
  the signals broadcast from Fort Lewis to Montauk bounce back and forth
  at the speed of light, they do create a certain amount of EMI(13), that
  while it does not cause a voltage surge, it may affect the microchips
  and power transistors directly."

"Wrong!  Why?  Because today all telephone conversations are monitored
  and routed through AT&T's Boulder, Colorado headquarters. But, what
  else do we know that is in Boulder? The FCC and NBS(16), that with
  AT&T form the Unholy Trinity! There it is, the diabolical plan:
  absolute electronic monitoring and control of the entire world's
  communications by AT&T and the Boys(17) Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant!"

"Anyway, so much for surveillance technology. In closing, I just
  want to remind you that it is imperative that you remember that the
  greatest intruder to your privacy is the telephone and the TV, and to
  a lesser extent, the radio. Last year we discussed the effects of
  telephone electronics on the brain and the danger of answering machines"

Now, this is only a SMALL BIT of the INSANE stuff in the article so DO NOT TAKE THE MAGNETIC COMPONENTS OF BRAIN ACTIVITY SERIOUSLY, IT IS A JOKE, DO NOT FALL INTO IT LIKE I DID.

And here is another person who has read the entire article views it:

http://www.keelynet.com/interact/Arc_7_98-12_98/00000899.htm

[Anton]

Someone asked about the helmet?, well, here it is.
http://www.innerworlds.50megs.com/

[Moderneboy]

nice website.

Plus do you think the magnetic components of brain activity article has spiritual implications or, let's say materialistic ones, as the speaker mentioned General Relativity.

And what does it mean that it would blow philosophy, theology, space and biology away in a single clean blow?

[Frank]

quote:Originally posted by Thanatos

... To believe that you're actually being transported out of your body is a mistake because your body is just a mental construct of your brain as well.

To believe you are being transported out of your body is a mistake, yes. But the real reason is because "you" are never in your physical body in the first place. The feeling that you are is simply an illusion.

I often feel if people would only realise this one fact then a lot of other stuff would begin falling into place. The mind and the brain are two separate entities with a bio-magnetic link and lock mechanism which couples them. Rather like a television and a broadcasting station with a high-frequency radio link that couples the two. The mind is the broadcasting station, the television receiver is the brain and the radio signal is the energetic link. But our case is slightly different as the physical body also transmits from its own sensory mechanisms back down the link to the mind.

The explanation regarding the science experiments is really very simple. All they are doing is disturbing the transmission path between non-physically located mind, and physically located brain. When that path is disturbed, you suddenly feel disassociated from your physical body because the transmission has, to a degree, lost its bio-magnetic lock. Obviously, then, you will get a sensation of no-longer being energetically linked to your physical body. So, hey presto, you have an out of body experience which you relate to the surgeon afterwards... and because no-one fully understands what is happening... they all put two and two together and make fifty five.

That's why I cannot help but agree with these scientists who scoff at the idea of a person being able to somehow climb out of their physical body, and start walking about the place. I think it was the William Bulman book that had a picture of a person on the cover supposedly stepping out of their physical body. Really, it's laughable to suggest that would be possible. It isn't. You can't step out of your physical body. There is absolutely no mechanism in the brain which will allow you to do so. And anyone who would say it is impossible, is absolutely 100% correct... but for all the wrong reasons.

The key is to realise that "you" are never "in" your physical body in the first place.

Yours,
Frank

[Kazbadan]

Maybe the mind will never get out, as you say. Maybe what happens it is just our attentaion being focus on another level, on another reality, but maybe, when that change of atention happens, a flux of energy may occur. That flux or whatecer you wanna call it, it is what we call "soul".

This is just a very simple try to join Frank theory with the theory of a soul (many people speaks about seeing their on soul and a silver chord....).

[Moderneboy]

My own inference from this study is that space and time are
essentially biologically modulated, perhaps even formulated, for my
equations show that possibility. Should this intuitive scientific
insight be correct, then it would demolish PHYSICS, biology,
philosophy and theology in a single, clean blow.

"Incidentally, I showed this filmstrip and discussed my theory
and equations with Professor Penrose, who seemed interested at first,
but very politely declined any further comment or association with me
thereafter.14 I think he realised the impact of a novel theory. He is
still convinced that quantum mechanics is the answer to explain brain
functions and consciousness. I disagree. I think it is GENERAL RELATIVITY and Unified Field a la Einstein, pure and simple."

Well that statements just filters itself out, and didn't Einstein not finish the Unified Theory?

Plus how could they discuss a theory with a famous Professor (Professor Penrose) if they are supposed to be a secret society?

I am smell something here.

"Should this intuitive scientific
insight be correct, then it would demolish physics, biology,
philosophy and theology in a single, clean blow"

LOL, yeah right, in your dreams.

I'd like to hear everybodys elses view on this.