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Havok · July 18, 2003, 16:53:43

Hi it's me again...
Sorry for the double post but I thought I was gettin' too annoying and I preferred to split the entire mex into two different posts.
Right now I feel two different flows of consciousness hitting my brain: the first is telling me to forget about all these stupids things about astral projection and ESP manifestations...the other tells me to BELIEVE!
I must confess: I'm a little skeptic for all these messages telling about attempted Oobes and ESP powers...but also I feel that something is real and maybe I should just attempt an exit by myself to confirm the whole thing.
And that's the point: I think that my desire for a fast achievement of a projection is stopping me by going further.
How can I made the two things going well together?
I know that speed and quality often collides but when I lay in my bed and for about an hour I continue to feel my hands pressing against the bed and also with all kind of breathing nothing happens I start to think that maybe it's all a big joke made up to make fun of my hopes.
I feel that just lying with my stomach down against the bed let me into a state of complete relaxation...it is possible to have a successful projection or this position make the things worst?
My mind is full of questions but now I have to leave...I'll try again this night...givin' it all the care I have.
Good night,

Havok

Osiris · July 18, 2003, 18:51:33

Greetings,

Check out the following thread http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1647
There is a nice method, that one can use to archive AP.

Generally speaking keep practicing, read other people`s experiences,
and have a positive mindset. Don`t hesitate to ask additional questions, if you need a feedback.

Sincerely yours,

Osiris.

Nick · July 18, 2003, 19:47:45

Hello Havok,

Welcome to the Astral Pulse! The post by Osiris has the best advice anyone can give which to quote is: "keep practicing, read other people's experiences, and have a positive mindset" as well as asking questions.

Your English is very good. If you are up to reading a good book on astral projection I would recommend Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce. If you would like to look at a website with information on the book as well as a treatise on OBE then click on the following link:

http://astraldynamics.com/

Then, where it says: "Treatise on OBE" click again, and you will be taken to a file download on OBE by Robert Bruce. You will need Adobe Acrobat Reader which is free at:

http://www.adobe.com/

Ci vediamo e benvenuto,

Havok · July 19, 2003, 09:00:44

First of all I would thank you guys (or girls) for the great welcome I got!
In fact I've already downloaded all the downloadable so actually I'm full of advices of all kind.
Maybe in a cryptic part of my mind there's still a little flame of skeptisism burning all my trials at their beginning.
Right now I keep trying...just let me ask you another little question:

Luck is maybe involved in this kind of process...but can a beginner just project himself without expecting the whole thing to work just because lady fortune decided it?
How long did you take to project yourself in a complete self-controlled way?

Havok

p.s. sometimes, when I lay on my side, I get litteraly "hitten" by a "brain electrical discharge"...just like a spark of electricity (with its classical buzzing sound) before my closed eyes.
I feel also that when I'm in a deeper concentration all the noises (if they are loud enough to make me lose my calmness) seems to make a strange little flashing before my eyes...like they were transformed form sound into light.

GRRegis · July 19, 2003, 11:41:10

Ciao e benvenuto Havok. Ma mi sembra che scrivi inglese meglio che io scrivo italiano, cosi scivero in inglese. I too am somewhat of a beginer, I have been trying to OBE for about two months, and I have already had a couple of OBE's. The thing is that everyone is different, some people it takes less time, some it takes more and yes luck has something to do with it (the first time I did it I didn't think I was going to). Also differnt positions wok for different people, you just have to find the one that suits you. It sounds like you're getting close, the buzzing and bright lights are very common signs that you are about to leave your body. The trick is to just relax completely and let it happen and soon you'll be able to leave. That's the really hard part though.

Nick · July 19, 2003, 14:54:33

My Italian may be a little rusty, however I am in the same boat GRRegis. I certainly write in English better than I write in Italian.
While my focus of astral work is in astral phasing, the same must hold true for traditional OBE which is, as GRRegis said, to relax and not try too hard. Also, perseverance and desire are important.

Very best,

Havok · July 19, 2003, 16:56:06

No problem guys...even if it is a little bit difficult to write in english I think it's a beautiful language!
I will keep trying all this summer and report any little achievement! [

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It's so important to make energy rising exercices?And if I try them and I don't feel nothing...that means that the energy has problems to rise? [?]

Havok

Nick · July 20, 2003, 08:27:29

Hi Havok,

quote:

Originally posted by Havok

It's so important to make energy rising exercices?

The New Energy Ways (NEW) can be found in the book Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce. You can also get a free download at:

http://astraldynamics.com

Whether or not it is important is a matter of personal opinion. I did do the NEW for a while back when I was attempting a traditional obe. Now when I do astral phasing I simply don't feel the need to do the NEW system, but that's just me and everyone has their own preferences.

quote:

And if I try them and I don't feel nothing...that means that the energy has problems to rise?

The system that Robert Bruce worked out does take a little time and perseverance but will bring results. You will feel the energy if you follow the NEW system. Just try the system, and give it a little time.

Good luck with your astral studies. Take some time to review some of the old posts here. You can use the search engine at the top of the page and find all types of helpful information from other members.

Very best,

Havok · July 20, 2003, 09:41:32

Thank you Nick...it's really great to receive help form those who already had their experiences...especially in this case, where skepticism and loss of willpower play a big role!
Now I will look for these energy rising exercises and try again this night.
Do you suggest to wake up during the night and try projection?
I'm to lazy so I fall asleep almost immediatly!
Well I'll try to stay awake and see if it's simplier to get in trance state.
Byez

Havok

Adrian · July 20, 2003, 09:52:03

Greetings Havok,

Welcome to the forums and your English really is very good indeed!

I cannot add much to the excellent advice you have been given here already. I would suggest however that you concentrate on the phasing method of Astral projection, much detail for which can be found in the Astral consciousness forum. OBE is much more difficult more often than not results in an etheric projection close to the physical world rather than an Astral projection which is much more valuable. OBE also has many problems associated with it including the mind-split, remembering the experience which few do, and repeatability. This is because with OBE only a copy of your consciousness id projected in a fabricated etheric body, whereas with phasing you project almost your entire consciousness to your Astral body.

Good luck!

With best regards,

Adrian.

Havok · July 20, 2003, 09:56:03

Ahem...just another liiittle and stupid question: it is possible to have hours-long Oobes?
Maybe it sounds stupid but I'm a little curious about the duration...

Havok

Osiris · July 20, 2003, 10:33:59

Greetings Havok,

Yes you can be in the astral dimension for many hours, yet when you come back to the physical world you might notice, that you was away relatively short time i.e 30 min.

Yours,

Osiris.

Frère · July 20, 2003, 16:02:11

Nobody answerd to Havok question that says "How much time one has to practice to get a real OBE?"
And I have another question:
Is it possible to have an OBE without going thru a state in which we are paralised?
and another:
Is it important to not move at all (not even swalowing your saliva)
Do you think the cracking that destroys numbness is a sign that a certain point was reached?

Havok · July 21, 2003, 14:31:50

quote:
Originally posted by Frère

Nobody answerd to Havok question that says "How much time one has to practice to get a real OBE?"
And I have another question:
Is it possible to have an OBE without going thru a state in which we are paralised?
and another:
Is it important to not move at all (not even swalowing your saliva)
Do you think the cracking that destroys numbness is a sign that a certain point was reached?

Well...telepathy does exist! [

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You made all the questions I decided to avoid because i was afraid I was asking too much! [

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So...these "involuntary movements" are a diffused problem for beginners like us!
Merci mon ami...tu as demandé des choses trés utiles aussi pou moi! [

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Frère · July 21, 2003, 14:42:52

Thus we are two to expect these answers that don't come
let's celebrate!
I can't speak italian, sorry, if my brother was there he could do it for me...
My father is italian of blood.
greetings!

Havok · July 21, 2003, 15:56:31

quote:
Originally posted by Frère

Thus we are two to expect these answers that don't come
let's celebrate!
I can't speak italian, sorry, if my brother was there he could do it for me...
My father is italian of blood.
greetings!

Well someone will surely answer to our "newbies' questions"...
For the language...I've studied both French and English so I don't have too much problems about them...
Surely I don't pretend to see you all speaking italian just because of me! [

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Havok

Havok · July 22, 2003, 13:50:33

I'm just UPPING the topic so that someone can answer to our questions. [

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Frère · July 22, 2003, 14:20:57

you right, it's needed
I was thinking we even might open a new topic

Havok · July 18, 2003, 16:28:05

Hi, I'm an italian guy who decided, after a little time as a "lurker", to join this huge forum hoping for informations and hints from "the older ones".
First I have to apologize for my "unstable" english but it's not so easy to write in another language...so...just try to understand me! [

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My interest about "metaphisical" stuff like LD, Oobes and other things like that started about two years ago, when I talked for the first time with a friend about dreams and the potential they holds.
Suddenly I started to search sites talking about LD and I found that existed another state of "mental projection" trascending the simple dream: the Oobe!
I tried to pick up more infos from the net and, for about one year, I tried (maybe one night per month..and even less) to project myself using all kind of techniques.
I don't have to tell you how much I got frustrated when nothing happened...so I just left the whole thing and returned to my normal life.
This summer, having all the day free for myself, I returned on the argument and I found out that the italian documentation about Oobes was not enough to help me getting into the astral plane.
So I made a few searches about oobes in some english searching engines and I found out maybe the best site ever made about this kind of argument (Am I supposed to tell you what site I'm talking about? [

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But enough with personal bios...I have to post another message because this is getting to much longer for your poor eyes! [

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So..read what's next...

Havok

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