astral projection question

[zorgblar]

Can anybody list all of the websites that mention astral projection like  books like the torah?

[zorgblar]

Why no replies?

[Xanth]

Books like the what?
Are you looking for AP books?
I don't quite understand the question.   

[soli]

i don't get why he wants the sites and not the book names to find sites that have them himself..

[personalreality]

He wants links to sites that list books that mention AP.

Seems like s/he is specifically interested in AP examples found in religious "literature".

[Xanth]

Well that's only going to end up with them bashing their head against a brick wall...  LoL

[Asi911]

When you say "Torah", do you mean the first book of the bible?

If so..

I don't know any specific stories about astral projection but i think you can find some interesting stuff in the story of "Jacob" and his dreams. If i remember correctly, It describes him going up a ladder, meeting angels and more cool stuff. 

Enjoy

[personalreality]

the torah is the first 5 books of the bible, the books of moses.

it's the first part of three that make up the hebrew bible, the tanakh.

the torah is jewish law.

[Asi911]

the torah is the first 5 books of the bible, the books of moses.

it's the first part of three that make up the hebrew bible, the tanakh.

the torah is jewish law.

That is correct - an applaud for that
The first book of the Torah is Genesis.

Only, saying that the Torah is Jewish law is a little bit missleading in my opinion - since there are infinite interpretations to the Torah.

[CFTraveler]

Can anybody list all of the websites that mention astral projection like  books like the torah?

Probably not.

[pondini]

bill  buhlman is one of the most prolific OBErs since bob monroe; when asked about religion on coast to coast radio he said: (i'm paraphrasing from memory) after xx years of astral projecting, all religious texts read in a whole new light; the bible... the quoran is just one big OBE. imagine how you'd describe seeing a being of light floating in mid air -to simpletons- in the language of 2000 years ago... you would say you saw an angel.

the tibetan book of the dead is also solely based on astral projection.

[personalreality]

I would imagine that all holy books are generated from OBE type experiences or other altered states.

[CFTraveler]

I tend to think that the mystical experiences in the holy books (excluding the historical storytelling) are combinations of OBEs and NDEs.  I tend to think that the Tibetan Book of the Dead is interpreting many NDEs, using OBEs as points of reference, and interpreting them based on theological belief.
But that's just my opinion.

[pondini]

CFT, i totally agree. i wanted to speak to NDEs in my first post, but i kept it simple. here's an NDE quote from NDErf that makes a pretty amazing claim about jesus and the NDE:

"I further understood that the collective experiences are omniscient knowledge. Everything that has been spoken, heard, and experienced. These colored drops contained each experience down to the memory of every cell division, every thought. All experiences were known at once by the collective consciousness that was the stream. Any experience could be known as if it were a first person experience happening at the time it happened originally. It was then that I was made to understand why there was no man on a golden throne to pass judgment on me. I had the 1st person experience of the one called "Jesus." I had his entire life (remember, time does not exist). His name was not Jesus, something more like Josephus. He had regular mom and dad, no God intervention. He had a difficult birth and an NDE during birth. He had a difficult childhood because of his near death experience, he knew too much. As he got older he began to tell people about his experience. He told people not to fear death because they would live forever. He told people that after death there was perfect peace and a perfect state of love. He told people that everyone was exactly the same and everyone could know who they really were and awaken to their spiritual self. He drew a small crowd of followers. After a time some of his followers wanted to form a religion and replace the Jewish priests because of the money and power. He cast the power mongers out of his following. Five of them conspired against him. At his trial there were three witnesses against him, all were his followers. He was hanged (not crucified, he was just a petty criminal to the Romans). Being in a hurry the Romans cut him down a little early and his loyal followers carried his body off. He revived having had a second near death experience (his "second coming" so to speak). He lived for awhile hiding from his 5 traitorous former friends (the anti-Christ?) but died after a bit from his injuries."

http://www.nderf.org/wayne_h%27s_nde.htm

[Xplorer88]

hes right it does say something bout jacob going up a ladder with angels entities ascending or descending im not sure....also the quran says how the earth is made and set on one of the 7 heavens that God created or sumthing like that. the scriptures/gospel usually refer to dreams when being revealed something from God. wether earth is one of those levels referred to the Seven Heavens or theyre set above earth etc i dunno it doesnt go into detail im not sure @ the moment the things catching my interest are reading all 3 scriptures and AP so i can maybe find more knowledge this way.

sorta like how people say the astral is just one of the planes/levels and how there are higher levels and lower levels. also alot of time when it speaks of past prophets etc speaking to God or having visions etc. alot of times its in a Dream that they either get carried into the heavens by angels or they meet God or He speaks to them etc. although im pretty sure any of them mention astral projecting or OBE it kinda seems like maybe they could of been having OBE isnt it? even Jesus was in the limbo after he died and supposedly was helping souls during the 3 days til his resurrection. nowhere its going to say anything specific but if you put the pieces of the puzzle together im sure we can find the specific points that relate to astral projecting. and connect the dots. But i do believe by the descriptions in most stories but not all that they could of been in OBE type experience @ the moment of these happenings. just a thought.

bible/torah: The LORD makes another promise to Jacob. "Behold, I am with you and will keep you wherever you go, and will bring you back to this land; for I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you" (v. 15).

"Then Jacob awoke from his sleep and said, 'Surely the Lord is in this place, and I did not know it.' He was afraid and said, 'How awesome is this place! This is none other than the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven'" (vv. 16-17).

QURAN CHAPTER 2 VERSE 29
It is He who created for you all of that which is on the earth. Then He directed Himself to the heaven, [His being above all creation], and made them seven heavens, and He is Knowing of all things.
He it is Who created for you all that is on earth. Then He Istawa (rose over) towards the heaven and made them seven heavens and He is the All-Knower of everything.

[Xplorer88]

QURAN: And He taught Adam the names - all of them. Then He showed them to the angels and said, "Inform Me of the names of these, if you are truthful."

JACOBS LADDER DREAM:
"As he sleep in a dream he sees a ladder
reach from earth to heaven, with angels going up and
down, and God was in heaven looking down."


theres also the story of JESUS encountering satan and satan showing him all of the nations and the lands of which he had dominion over on Earth."

heres what i got from wikipedia about that encounter:

For the final temptation, the devil takes Jesus to a high place, which Matthew explicitly identifies as a very high mountain, where all the kingdoms of the world can be seen.

Interpretations of this are as follows:
WIKIPEDIA: John Calvin supported the view that the devil took Jesus to a vision of a high place where he could see the entire world, and the Geneva Bible translates the passage in this way.

Satan flew Jesus to a mountain top and from there flew him around the entire world. Jesus normally walked from place to place.
The mountain is not literal if the whole temptations only occur in the mind's eye of Jesus.

[Xplorer88]

MINDS EYE, FLYING, HEAVENS, ANGELS, BIRDS EYE VIEW, LADDERS, BEING CARRIED UP, ETC. ETC. JUST MANY THINGS THAT STICK OUT THAT ARE PART OF THE SCRIPTURES APART FROM MANY MORE THAT SEEM TO TALK ABOUT OR SIMILIAR TO WHAT WE TALK ABOUT IN THESE FORUMS AND OBE'S AND ASTRAL PROJECTING.