New member with a couple brief questions...

[RJA]

First let me say I'm no expert, having just started attempting AP a few months ago (6-8 OBEs in last 3 months or so).  However it sounds like you were very close to getting out.  

I've never had as shocking of astral sounds and sensations as you've had so I can only tell you what the books say - ignore them and calmly work on your exit techniques, whether it be "rolling out", sitting up, floating up, or whatever.  I know that's easier said than done, - yesterday while reading Astral Dynamics one passage said something like "...you may experience clammy hands pulling on you and voices that sound evil or demonic and visions of monstrous faces...but just ignore them" - yeah, right!

But anyway, it sounds like you were on the verge - keep going.[]

[Murt]

Omnigod,
Can I suggest you don't say that... 'when it comes to concious-exit OBE's I'm a bit slow'.
Remember you get what you wish for. And just to label the point, how will your body interpret this comment. Only one way, a bit slow, hence a year !
If you catch yourself saying it again, just say thats ok if I said that but I am going to exit, at a pace that suits me, easily, and safely. Also, ' I am going to be calm, and love the experience, next time'. Repeat this often, in order to change your beliefs.
When you say this, you are not only saying it with your physical body, but also with your Etheric, casual, astral, and mental bodies.
Try to say them out loud, as sound adds force, and power, to thought.
Thought creats, at one level, and sound, creats, at another, actions, create, at yet another level. Hence - Thought, Word, and Deed.

Ophiel in his book, The Art and practice of Astral projection, mentions about these, strange noises, bangs, people calling out you name, even explosions. He says, he once awoke, thinking... ' oh my God, the water heater has exploded !
These are, a great sign in your work. They will happen again, but each time not so loud, until there is just a backgroung hiss.
Well done Astral Man. Your doin it.

[Omnigod0101]

Awesome, Thank you both for your comments.

-RJA I too am reading Astral Dynamics although I haven't gotten more then a hundred or so pages since I just got it two days ago.

-Murt, thanks for your suggestions and support after all the things I've read about hypnosis and the sub-concious mind I guess I should have thought of the effects that using negative words would carry in such a subject matter. I will try to be more optimistic as well as using affirmations to kind of 'suggest' myself into an OBE.

[Murt]

OmniGod,
If you think what I said, makes sence, take it.    
As regards suggesting yourself into OBE, it sounds like you are dragging your poor inner self into it !
I get the feeling you may be aprehensive, so, your going to beat yourself into it, with suggestions.
I think you have a choice to make, to be or not to be that is the whatsit.
But to help you make that choice, you should work on the safety aspect (assuming you choose to Astral travel).
IT IS SAFE. IT IS SAFE. IT IS SAFE....
Pretend this is true, say it often, feel what it would be like if it were safe. Say this often, and mean it.
Did I mention to say it alot? out loud, Watch the neighbours don't think your a loonie.
We are all responsible for our own security.
If you believe you are safe, and have taken precautions, to this end, Then you are.
If you felt it was as safe and easy as walking down the street, would you do it more easily ?
Well it is.
It's as safe as walking down the street. It's as safe as walking down the street. It's as safe as ... Get the pic.

May I suggest the lessor banishing ritual of the pentagram
otherwise know, as what else ! LRBP for protection...


Banishing ritual of the pentagram

Facing East
1 Touch your forehead and say ATOR, ( Thou Art )
2 Touch your naval, and say MALKUTH, ( The Kingdom )
3 Touch your right shoulder and say VE-GEVURAH ( The Power )
4 Touch your left shoulder and say VE-GEDULAH ( And The Glory )
5 Clasp your hands together and say LE-OLAM ( Forever Amen )

Still facing east, hold out symbloic dagger, straight infront of you, imagine it on fire with a blue flame. Trace a Pentacle in the air,
in blue flame also.
stab it in the center and say YHVY (yod-heh-vav-heh).
( the sword dispels the intelect)
NEVER lowering the dagger, trace a line to the south, again in blue fire. Draw another Pentacle, stab it in the center, and say ADNI (a-don-i).
Now draw a line to the West. Draw another Pentacle, stab it in the center and say Eheieh (Eh-hey-yeh).
Draw a line to the North, draw another Pentacle, stab it in the center and say AGLA (Ah-gal-la). Then draw another line back to the East.
You should Now be standing in a circle, with four Pentacles, North, South, East, and West.

Raise your arms in the form of a cross, and say-
Before me stands Raphael, (imagine Him).
Behind me stands Gabriel, (visualize).
At my right hand stands Michael, (after a while He will be standing there).
And at my left, stands Auriel, (they are very big, and very tall, and very scary).
Before me flames the Pentagram, and behind me shines the six rayed star.
Repeat lines 1 - 5.

You may notice a very special feeling in two or three weeks or so.
If you stop the ritual at any time, you just go back to where you were.
It is important to visualze the the pentacles, ect. very important.
(Concentrate on the subjective, not the objective)
eventually gross mater in your body is replaced with a much finer grade of 'matter' (stem of the word Mother).
This is one of the reason that it aids projection a great deal. In fact, one of my friends floated out his bedroom window feet first.
I'm afraid I tricked him and told him it would give him confidence! it did, but he didn't expect that, and has no interest in astral projection [].
I think it changes your vibratory rate as well.
Even though it doesn't look much.
This is one of the most powerful rituals a person can do.
Incredible Spiritual Protection (ISP ?).

You can change the ritual around if you want, but it may not work, or at worst have unpleasant side effects.

If I'm wrong about you being aprehensive, I apoligise.

[Hephaestus]

I hope you enjoy the forums, plenty of info and help about!

[alt0xFF]

Murt, I mean no offense to you, but I strongly object the idea of suggesting various rituals, even if they may work for you. Any sort of ritual is tightly bound to the corresponding Belief System, and enforcing your Belief System on others (even indirectly) undermines the Principle of Freedom of Choice. Let him decide for himself what he believes in, who he worships (if any), and how.

It also gives false impression that you would be left unprotected, unless you resort to some rituals that you don't even understand the meaning or purpose of.

But thats just me.

[dino333]

Hey, whatever works. As long as it's something he believes in it will help him.

[Mustardseed]

AS I have said before I would suggest that you listen to a few people and think it over well before you start invoking any help or use pentagrams. Robert Bruces counsel seem to be good but lots of people post here and have lots of helpful advice that I consider reckless. If you would like to have the Christian viewpoint and learn the way we protect ourselves during OBEs I will be glad to post it for you. It is however  a Christian viewpoint and a lot of folks seem to be offended by it.
regards Mustardseed

[Murt]

OmniGod,
My own experience with the LBRP, is that it did not take a year to get fantastic results, just a few weeks was all, but I did put the work in so to speak.
The feeling of incerdible spiritual protection (ISP ?) has to be felt to be believed.

Do a search for the LBRP, to get other points of view, but here are some I dug up...


http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=599&whichpage=2&SearchTerms=LBRP   first post you see.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=190&SearchTerms=LBRP   fifth post down.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=414&SearchTerms=LBRP    fifth post down again

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=198&SearchTerms=LBRP   second post down


BTW, if you feel this is a step too far, ok. But if you were curious, you could try for a day or two, to see what happens !
Hope this helps []

[Fuzziwig]

Welcome aboard, hope you like it here [^]

[electricdreamer]

Yeah-it sounds like you were close so just keep doing what you did and dont be afraid-
I think a feeling of well being and acceptance is really important-otherwise you wont be comfortable with it. You have to let go and have trust that everything will be okay.

[Omnigod0101]

My name is Jim Neiderhiser and I'm 19 living as a web designer in Naples, Florida. I was just curious about OBE's because I've been interested in these types of things since I can remember but the lacking support I received from my mother any time I spoke of them as a child made it a little hard for me to grow into it.

I've been practicing my OBE's and meditation for a little under a year but I'm not totally sure if I've had any real luck with it. I've got numerous books and I spend a lot of my time reading and gathering information on these types of things. I know for a fact I've had lucid dreams and I've even come to acknowledge in my dreams that I was dreaming and began taking control of them. However when it comes to concious-exit OBE's I'm a bit slow.

I've had two VERY similar experiences that I believe to be my first steps into OBE's however some verification and tips would be very helpful.

I've heard everyone has different experiences when entering a concious-exit OBE however the two I've had were a little disturbing. I was lying in my room and after meditating for roughly an hour I decided once again it was a no-go and rolled over to sleep. Within seconds my body was rushed with the pins and needles feeling all over and it felt as if my torso were lifting off of the bed (in an inverted U style) however my body was not moving at all. My hands and legs were shaking roughly and I could hear loud strong rolls of thunder and what sounded like a child crying. Above me on my ceiling I saw flashes like lightning that followed each crack of thunder and what appeared to be the jack of spades (spade being the symbol I've used many times as a signature) with some biblical looking writing over top of it. This was of course quite unsettling for me and although both times I was fairly aware of what I thought was happening (the beginning of an OBE) I was very shaken up to the point I dropped out of it and was left very tired and out of breath.

It still sounds a little...odd...even to me, and it happened to me. I can't however think of any other reason for the experience. If there are any answers, suggestions, or anything else you can give me that would be VERY helpful. This is something I've devoted a lot of time to and would very much appreciate any help I can get with it. Thanks for your time.