Eyes wide open...

[jilola]

I've experienced that as well on occasion. Sometime I think I'm getting real time vision and the realise that I'm opening my eyes a little. One time though I had to use my hands to open my eyes as they had dried up behind the eyelids.
When the eyes opeining prob gets bad enough I've found that the kind of blinds the airlines give out work pretty well. The strap is loose enough not to feel around your head and the blind is shaped so that it really doesn't press on your face.
Lacking a blind like above, how about a small handkerchief folded into a strip and placed over your eyes?

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jouni

[rodentmouse]

Does real time vision utilise the brow chakra???   i think i had it once whilst in trance but im  still not quite sure of what real time vision is so i thought it was  a dream..

[jilola]

According to several sources including that of RBs it does.
Real time vision is described as being able to see oneäs surroundings without the aid of one's physical eyes. When the point ov viiew is other that the natural POV it's called remote viewing.

As an aside, I had a vision today of a smalll church or a chapel on a bluff facing an ocean or sea. facing the sea the church had a bell tower of the left side. The roofs of both the tower and the curch proper were red (possible shingle) and the buildings themselves were white. There were no other buildings in the vicinity (at least from where the vision took place) Anyone know of a place like that?

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jouni

[Grendel]

I tried the cloth over my face, and that seemed to help a little bit, but eventually I just took it off, and let my eyes do what they wanted.  They eventually stayed open, and then blacked out all together.  Hey, if it helps me get OB, so be it.  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

Something else interesting happened though.  I was meditating for a good hour today, and I was in the deepest trance i've ever been in.  I was in a sitting position, and my head had slumped down early on, and all of the sudden it felt like my head was moving in circles.  And it wasn't until my whole body and head threw itself back that I realized it was actually physically moving.

It was kind of scary, almost like something else was moving my body.  I've had this once before, where my arms and/or head will take on fluid physical movements that I'm not consciously controlling.  Has anybody else had this?  Could it just be my body double trapped in my physical body trying to move around, and the mind split hasn't happened yet?  Or am I just crazy?

[alpha]

Hi,Dont worry about it grendel.I dont think your crazy.It may have been that you werent physically relaxed enough?

About the eyes,it happens to me more times than Id like it too.They open a sliver.And I start seeing some things around me.What I do is just close them softly.Dont let it disturb your mind state.Sometimes I just meditate in the dark to avoid this.Or a semi dark room.Ill leave a light on in another room.So I dont go knockin stuff over when I get up.http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

Ive tried putting something over my eyes.But it starts to bother me.I guess if I had a proper sleepytime mask.It might be diff. for me.

jilola,
I dont know but sounds like a good place to me..I think we  might have   influence on visions.I had a fear of them and they seemed to have got worst.A little on the spooky side.They dont really scare me anymore.And I dont get many spooky ones now.

And heres something you can try but this is just an example.This is why I think what I think.I started getting a few visions.And I was wanting to have an obe.I pictured a formula 1 racing car.Because I wanted to maybe obe into onehttp://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_big.gif" border=0> I held this picture in my mind.(imagining)Than I got another vision.It was a helicopter view of a race track with tiny cars on it.So I influenced them in that way.

Alot of my visions though,like yours I have no idea what they are,or what they mean.Most have nothing to do with me.*shrug*



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[jilola]

Grendel: How wide are these movements? Sounds like they might be hypnagogic jerks (ok mayme movement is a better word)

Alpha:[/] Yeah the place was very peaceful. I got a kinda lonely sens out of it but a posivite kind of lonely if you understand what I mean. Made me think about Ireland just now. I'll look around and see if I've maybe seen a pphoto like the vision.

Yup. We definitely can influence our vision. At least the ones created by the subconscious. I don't know if the Visions (hee) obey our will much.

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jouni

[Grendel]

They're fairly wide, fluid movments.  Myoclonic/Hypnic jerks are always sudden, harsh movements.  I'm not too worried about them right now, I just let my body do whatever, just like the eye thing, and it finally settles down and I go on my way.  (I'll trade you for your cool visions.  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>)

[jilola]

Sure I'll trade but I want at least one OBE with the movements http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_wink.gif" border=0>

Yeah, as long as the weird moves aren't causing any damage I'd ignore them as well. Probably they are just random nerve firings that become apparent when you quiet down.

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jouni

[Grendel]

I've run across an annoying problem while I've been meditating lately.  Quite often when I'm in full trance, and doing fine, I think I start to get my real time vision.  It blurs in and out, then I finally get a fix on it.  It's only then, that I realize that my eyes are physically opening while i'm meditating.  (They get all dry, and when I think I'm having my vision, I physically notice that my eyes are open a bit)

Has anybody else had this?  Does anybody have any suggestions?  I've tried clothing, etc. covering my eyes, but that really screws up my concentration, and energy development for some reason.  Is it even possible to OBE with your eyes open?