The Astral Pulse

Hi Everyone!

Nice to meet all of you. Like many I have been intrigued by the OBE/AP journey and have dived in head first into everything that has to do with said AP, for the last month or two. My goals for my AP are to seek guidance, go further in my spiritual journey, and maybe see some loved ones if they are willing. I feel like since I have learned about AP, it has given me a hope that I thought I have long lost. Anyways, that was a little about me.

On to my attempts. I have read and watched so many videos on AP, I am almost burnt out I think. Those is just how I tend to do things LOL. Head first, all in kind of gal. We are a work in progress. I have been meditating daily, but usually guided. So initially I started using the guided AP meditations from YouTube and I got to what felt like very close points. Then I started to think I should probably learn to meditate and get Into the trans state without that assistance and I feel like I have regressed? Any time I did get any kind of feelings my brain automatically would turn on and be like oh here we are! You're doing it! And then be like aww well you lost it. Or it would also be like okay now calm down, stay calm. So lots of self chatter in there which led me to start trying meditation without the guides. It seems I'm not getting very far without them. At most my body will get heavy. I will try to use the phasing method, the other method of "day dreaming", but I feel that I am most hyper vigilant. Side note I have been writing all my dreams down too! Have had 3 lucid dreams so far.

Another note, I have been trying to AP for a nap around 5pm. Or at bedtime. Neither work.


I have had one successful event, but I'm not even sure how it happened. I believe I was in a lucid dream state, then woke up in the physical. But I was in mind awake body asleep. I could not move my body, thought to myself "out of body now" and a voice in my bedroom laughed at me and said "just get out of your body". So I rolled out. I could not balance, I kept falling forward and I still had my cipap on my face lol. So I kept trying to get it off with my astral hands. I gave up, and went back to my body.


That being said, idk how I woke up in that state. Because I certainly didn't actively get there.


I am getting tired, because I am getting headaches from trying too hard as mentioned not to do. But I'm trying not to try? lol it's not working though.


Thank you all for all the information you have provided here! I have enjoyed it sooo much!!

Welcome to the Pulse! Please read the sticky topics on techniques. Start trying them all, until you find what works for you, but try one method at a time and commit to follow it precisely for at least two months. If it doesn't work, then move on to the next, and so on. I suggest the William Buhlman's books and to try the technique that works for me, which is visualization and motion. But you have to do the technique most nights of the week and do it AS you are falling asleep for about 15 min. You have to wait for at least 4-6 weeks before you see results for your energy to adjust by focusing you being some place else as you fall asleep. Don't give up too soon. Then when it happens you just have to keep doing the technique a few nights per week to maintain the experiences.
Meditation is not the only way, dont try it too hard because that creates resistance. It should be something that you enjoy and not something you have to do or force yourself to do. Also, drop the insistence on how and when it may occur. That also creates energy barriers. Just relax and select techniques that are truly enjoyable to you and you wont experience frustration.
Understand that you are in spirit at all time, you never left the natural spirit world. You just need to thin out the filters to see what is already around you by paying attention to synchronicity, signs, information, intuition that is coming continuously from your larger self. Allow knowledge downloads, ask questions and see what thoughts first pop into your mind. Just being aware that you already are connected to all that is and you are already everywhere all at once, more will become visible to you. You can receive knowledge while awake, just stay aware of what you are within the multiverse. You are within the entire multiverse as we speak. Can you let you imagination go wild and truly feel it?  There is just a little cloak over a small part of yourself that is creating the illusion that you are just one of the drops in the ocean, when in fact you are the entire ocean in a drop.

Hello Lightbeam,

Thank you so much for your input. I feel myself trying to use visualization but this is a difficult method for me. I am getting better, non the less. I find myself narrating my visualizations instead of being there myself. The only time I felt a deep level 10 was with a guided hypnosis of mind awake body asleep. But now I haven't really achieved that state anymore. I'll get an ache in my arm, or leg which will bring me back. I'll keep trying to see which method is best. I am also working towards my awakening, so hopefully soon instead of just knowing I will also truly understand and feel the words you have shared with me. Thank you 🙏🏼

 Greetings Amongthestarz and welcome to the Astral Pulse!  :-)

 Just know that your body will fight tooth and nail to keep you focused on it and only it. Whether it be aches and pains, excessive swallowing, etc., it is a challenge. The key is to learn how to quickly "dissociate" yourself from your physical focus. Once you do that, you will find that there is only the NPR (non-physical realms) left to be experienced.

 Recently I shared with another member here, that they might want to look at Robert Bruce's NEW (New Energy Ways). They did and it worked for them. They also were experiencing the "aches and pains" that seem to strengthen by the second, while attempting to have an OBE. I also said that "Phasing" might be the way to go too.

 In the beginning of my own journey into NPR explorations, I too was challenged constantly by swallowing problems, problems with my eyes feeling like they were opening, just as I was finally about to "exit", and then there was the cramping muscles and "pangs". A brief progressive relation technique helped wonders as well!

 Like Lightbeam said, there are many different techniques to be found in the Stickies in the Sub-forums.  Choose one that you think will work for you, then practice, have patience and you will persevere!

 You may find my "Doorway" technique helpful as well. It utilizes techniques to jump start the "dissociative" process almost immediately. It has changed quite a bit from the opening paragraphs. If you want to see the evolution, you can just skip to the last 4 or 5 pages of the thread.
https://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome-to-astral-consciousness!/the-doorway/

Welcome to the Pulse!

LightBeam has provided you some excellent advice from the perspective of the Wider Reality. Lumaza has drilled down and narrowed the context toward some techniques that you should study at this point. I would like to address directly some of your statements and experiences, and possibly give some helpful context on that.

Many of the more experienced explorers of the Non-Physical (NP) started out with the same frustrations you are currently experiencing, not realizing at the time that this was entirely normal and understandable given the difficulty of what we were seeking to accomplish...which actually requires a re-ordering of our understanding of basic operating principles of the Universe...not a small task...so some confusion is expected. This re-ordering of understanding takes time, introspection, thought and reflection. Insights have to be achieved through experience and re-examination and adjustment of our beliefs. And for nearly all of us, it becomes a very subtle process that takes time. So, based on your OP statement that you have only been actively pursuing OBE for a couple months, then I would say you are doing quite well! I understand that you want more and expect more...nearly all of us had the same expectations early on. But, it's like the old saying- you have to learn to walk before you run. It's actually tougher than that- you have to go back to learning baby steps before you learn to walk and then to run...

So, don't be discouraged. You are doing a lot of things right. I will go through some of them one by one, as I can.

You are writing down your dreams and experiences. Great, this is invaluable later on in understanding your progress.

You have watched countless YT videos on the subject. Fine, but there is too much misinformation out there, so let that go for now and read the "Stickies" here that LightBeam and Lumaza mentioned; I would add the thread "How I got out for the first time" for a good reset of perspective.

The fact that you have had three memorable lucid dreams and also become aware within a mind awake/body asleep (MABA) state...this is a great sign of success! Remember baby steps versus walking...this is how it works most often. This is a sign that your awareness is becoming activated not only in the Physical Realm (as it is right now) but also in the Non-Physical Realms of Dreaming, MABA and Sleep Paralysis...oh, and on top of that, you recognized the SP state but did not become emotionally frightened by it...even when a disembodied voice laughed and said to get out of your body! Most people early on would have panicked...nicely done! So this is good, early progress; maybe not what you expected, but let me assure you, this is progress. Again, baby steps...

The CPAP stuck to your head, lol. I have used a CPAP for nearly fifteen years now but never had it stuck to my head in an OBE. However, I have had several instances where my hand or arm was under my pillow and, as I exited, the pillow (or my etheric mental construct of it) was firmly clamped against the side of my head and I couldn't shake it loose, lol. So yes, that can happen. Which begs the question- just what kind of OBE was that?

Your description of the experience- coming out of a lucid dream and coming aware in the PR in MABA state, then rolling out of your body, not being able to find your balance and dealing with the CPAP...that reads just like an etheric OBE. It's the classic OBE description. I have had many of them, but went on to develop other types of OBEs. There is some disagreement about the factual nature of this but the description stems from the Hindu/Buddhist tradition that posits multiple energy bodies which, through our spiritual awakening, we gradually learn to activate our awareness within- physical, etheric, astral, mental, causal and higher energy/frequency bodies...this is the process you are now undergoing, and hence, a fair amount of confusion comes with it. You have also had relatively recent lucid dreams. That supposedly relates to your awareness activating within your 'dreaming body' or your lower astral body...can you relate to the differences between the feeling of your MABA experience and your lucid dream experiences, the etheric body and your astral? That is something to consider as your experiences continue to evolve. These experiences were to show you that your awareness is expanding and evolving into these new areas of the Wider Reality.

Who was the voice that told you to go out of your body? Was it your subconscious? Your Higher Self? Or somebody else? I don't know that answer and it really doesn't matter other than the fact that you heard it and differentiated it as 'outside' yourself. We all have guides, instructors and invisible helpers available to us. Forty years ago, I considered that just fanciful, whimsical thinking...now I know it to be true. We each have a 'support team' of sorts...like a couple people remaining on the boat while we go scuba diving. There are also independent instructors and helpers who notice us when our awareness emerges into the NPR; there to assist us and protect us while we learn our way around. At some point, they begin testing us and challenging us and it becomes a new form of schooling. That voice that challenged you to roll out of body was likely an instruction and a small Fear Test, to see if you would scare easily and retreat into Waking Reality...Nicely done!

Consider this- A lucid dream is an OBE; you are just entering it, not from the physically-awake side, but from the deeper dreaming side...it is still an OBE. So, when you become lucid, pay attention and look for your purpose in the dream...an instructor is likely looking in and might give you an instructional challenge...this is when the fun begins.

I was lousy at getting to Monroe's Focus 10. Like you, my mind was too active, I never felt I could get relaxed and deep enough. Then a senior instructor at Monroe explained that F10 and all the other Focus states are not 'fixed' points on the consciousness spectrum, rather they describe a range of Focus...so, you can be in a low F10 or a medium or high F10...it doesn't have to be perfect.

If you are trying guided visualizations or binaural beats or your own silent meditation...great...a few times let yourself relax to the point of falling asleep...you may find you can actually get deeper than you think.

I like the afternoon nap, not so much trying at bedtime- your physical body is so tired that it drags your awareness down into deep sleep like an anchor around your ankle in the ocean. The two need to be able to separate. Try WBTB or Wake, Back To Bed method if you can find the time in your schedule. Go to bed at normal time, sleep for 2,3,4 hours...then get up and read for an hour & then go back to bed and observe yourself as your body falls back to sleep. This provides the needed disconnect from your awareness and your physical body. Same with an early morning wake-up...observe the hypnogogics as you fall back to sleep...just things to try...

Affirmations- These never hurt and are free...program yourself when you go to bed. I won't mention the 'I am safe and protected' affirmations because you already sound fairly fearless, lol! Two or three short, simple, positive statements as you go to bed-

"I remember my Non-Physical experiences every night."
"I give myself permission to have these Non-Physical experiences."
"Every night I gain greater awareness within my dreams."

There is work to be done in the Non-Physical. At some point in our training, we are expected to offer service in some fashion, so it is good to make that intention known.

"I offer my service to the Greater Good and Service to Humanity in whatever way I can." ...or words to that effect

Hope that helps,

EV

 

Lightbeam, Lumaza and Ev

Wow. I'm not sure what I have done to receive such amazing feedback from you both. Genuinely, I want you to understand how grateful I am that you shared so much of your wisdom with me. I'm sorry about my late response.

I can't wait to re read all of this again and apply it to my practice. I do feel that I'm getting better, and faster into 10. Almost immediately I go into the heaviness, almost numbness, and today I did hear a loud sound in my right ear which ended up startling me and raising my heart rate a lot. But I can definitely get into a medium-heavy 10 where I'm not really sure where my hands are & seeing dream images. My body definitely makes it hard tho like you said! With muscle twitches, numbness, and other fun things LOL

I also had another partial OBE experience! I had a dream, and in the dream I was rolling/summersaulting. So from that motion I ended up in my bed again but I felt my astral body in my physical body. I'm not sure what stage this is? I attempted to project, and as I tried to sit up out of my physical body, I hear my bed creak. I fear I will wake my partner up so I go back into my body. This was in the morning and it was already light out.

EV, as for the voice in the previous experience, it was so silly and coming from my dog's bed so it did not feel like it was anything for me to fear! Maybe it WAS my subconscious telling me to stop being silly and get out! But believe me, sometimes  I am chicken of the dark, haha! And I almost always go in with a protection affirmation, and I have a few protection crystals for good measure. I figured it wouldn't hurt :-P

I will check out all the resources, I even got my iPad a new pen so I can scroll and read the forum comfortably! I really was not expecting this.

Thank you all so much. <3

Okay! Update from last nights attempt.

I was practicing before bed. For me this time works because of my lifestyle, and because nap time and 4-5am isn't really conducive to my work life at the moment. Also I feel that at the end of the day I may be tired enough to get into a relaxed enough state.

I was reading all of your posts from years ago. I think it's amazing you al continue to help so many of us so thank you.

So as I was reading, there was a KEY factor that I think I have missed. I am hoping someone can lend a little more insight. Others have countlessly mentioned "look at the darkness behind your eyes and just notice any changes in your peripheral" or something like that? But my eyes are darting from left right up and down I can't keep them still. I missed the part where you all said keep focused on a part behind your eyes like a dot or a flame of a candle. I think Lumaza has mentioned a candle method. Otherwise you activate your "third eye". I'm not sure what that means. And would like some more insight if anyone has some time.

So last night I attempted to focus my eyes and not move them to get past that point the way you have described in other posts. I almost immediately felt shaking, like an earthquake. I did this a few more times.

Things to note:I was wearing a silk eye mask and listening to binaural beats.

Things that were really hard:
1. Keeping eyes shut. I wasn't sure if they were closed or open sometimes and had to sometimes squeeze to keep them closed because staring at one spot would almost pry them open.
2. My body tenses up as I try to focus on a spot
3. I lose my spot I am trying to focus on/its just really hard to stay in one spot

It was my first time practicing this method so if anyone has any suggestions or has struggled with this, or feels this will get better in time? Let me know!

Also can I have my eyes open?

This video was shared with me here on one of my posts, and I found it helpful.

 That is an excellent video to learn how to "maintain" a focus target for an extended amount of time. Once you learn to do that, you will find that the "shift" has already "naturally" occurred. It is "us" that makes this whole thing so difficult. I always say, "your physical body will fight tooth and nail to keep you focused on it and only it". That is why you need to kind of "rewire" your system to allow a "dual" focus to occur.

 Amongthestars, it sounds like you are trying to "force" it. Relax, Release and just let go. Learn to do that and you will see the "shift" occurs naturally. At that point, you don't need to do anything but observe until you feel you are in the scenario you are experiencing. Until it becomes "real" or you!

 This is not a race. You will find that this is something you will "become". I say become because it becomes a part of you. It always was. It's just, now you are becoming aware of it!  :|

https://youtu.be/Sxvb9pgkrvI?si=J-ZEuuOilSUY2Zuw

Update!

Good Morning, from Cali!

So this morning I put my sleep mask on and I had intended to go back to sleep but set the intention of lucid dreaming and it WORKED. Almost immediately, I realized I was dreaming and I did a reality check, breathed in with a pinched nose. (I think I heard my physical body snore a little) And then I just stopped the dream and sat down. As I did this, everything went dark, and I felt myself projecting, but I didn't have to do anything. Physically I was lying prone, on my tummy. My legs were sort of pulled and I was pulled from my legs downwards & I started to go down. And so I was going down into just darkness, and then I was thinking I would like to go up so I did. But I was kinda in this darkness, nothingness. The void I'm assuming? I kept thinking clarity now or I'd like to go to a higher vibrational place/state. But I wouldn't. Then I thought of going to my room and I was back to my body.

What do you guys think??

Sending love,
B.

Back to sleep is a good technique. I think most people get up in the middle of the night to just the restroom at least once. IF they can remember before passing out back to sleep to affirm that they will remain aware or start spinning or swaying, this triggers easily AP. The thing is that if you do this towards the end of the night when your body is already mostly regenerated, your brain will be too awake to allow you to have a long uninterrupted by physical senses AP with a lot of clarity. The more awake your brain is, the less you will enter the non-physical with ease and clarity because your body and brain and physical sensations are pulling you back. You can set your alarm if you want too try around 2 am, that way your body will be in deep sleep while your non-physical awareness will be uninterrupted by the physical senses and you will be able to have a clear and long AP. The trick is to not fall asleep ride away after you wake up and spend a minute to start spinning for example. You dont have to wake yourself up completely though. If you do, you may not be able to go back to sleep for a while and your mind will start racing with thoughts. So catch just a minute or two of affirmation to remain aware, imagine some motion and allow yourself to fall back to sleep. You will be awaken non-physically shortly after hour brain goes into deep sleep.

Thank you! I will try this tonight and keep you posted.

Cheers <3

Something else to consider.

The 'darkness' you experienced may well have been the Void, as you suspected. Think about how you would describe it. Go to the Stickies and read about the Void; then, please come back and give us your description.

If you were in the Void (which I kind of suspect you were), then your Intention for clarity now would not necessarily yield anything new as the Void is already a likely 100% 'clear' state...the need for an Intent is still required but it is now a more specific destination that you have to express, of sorts...this can be a slightly problematic issue to work out at this point; but the fact that you are in the Void likely means Guidance forces are paying attention to you and waiting for a proper response of just where you want to go. This is a subtle form of learning specific to you at this moment. Try what LB is recommending but realize that you are already on the doorstep of what you want to happen. This is just the next step of what Lumaza recommended about relaxing your focus and allowing...the Void is an 'in-between' field that seems to intersect many possible worlds and once you have been introduced to it, it is not an accidental thing...from here, you learn to apply the Intent of a destination or idea and it provides an entrance...it may feel almost incremental to you at the moment but you are making really good progress!

Thank you, EV!

I did read up on the stickies about the void, a few times. I am not sure it was the void to be honest as I still felt my body to an extent and I was moving in a direction? There was constant movement. First downward and then upward. I FELT like my sleeping mask was still on my eyes. I also felt like I didn't have a clear destination in mind/intention that I truly believed in. It felt though, like all my intentions have just left my brain! I couldn't think of anything important. Like I want to meet my guides, my higher self, my grandma, go to the moon, go to the beach. Anything! Lol I couldn't think of it.

From what I gather with the void there is no movement and you just are...

I definitely feel like this is progress!

Thank you!
B

One more little update:

So the technique ish that I have been using is waking up in the morning when I can still sleep in a bit, and then I try to feel the spinning/swaying motion. After that I try to affirm that I will stay aware/or have a lucid dream. So this morning I went back to sleep after swaying a bit and starting affirming that I would lucid dream and then project. I had a dream that there was a button that would make us go down. Then woke up in the physical. I stayed still and went back to that dream. I kept thinking to go back to that dream of going down, pressing the button. And repeated that over and over, and then I started to project through my feet again!

But then at this time my partner and my dog got up LOL. I tried to get there again but I couldn't.

But this is more progress!

Yay.

Thank you!
B

Thank you all for this conversation. I'm following with interest  :-)
Sometimes I experience the same lack of ability (to imagine for example the place of where I want to project) when I feel myself to be in the void and I also experience the movement (forward zooming) there.

Quote from: BarboraD on September 02, 2024, 13:12:40Thank you all for this conversation. I'm following with interest  :-)
Sometimes I experience the same lack of ability (to imagine for example the place of where I want to project) when I feel myself to be in the void and I also experience the movement (forward zooming) there.

Ooooo well I'm glad I'm not alone! Hopefully with more practice, we will get somewhere. I think I will make intent to just go where my soul/spirit intends me to go. Or to meet my guides and I am trying to set these intentions during the day time so I have a better chance of remembering later on!

Thanks for following along, I'm glad we are finding similarities between our journeys :)

BarboraD,
If the 'forward zooming' movement feels like it is pulling you deeper into the Void, then relax and go with it. Observing the Void, you may notice what look like stars or tiny pinpoints of light; you can also notice the depth and texture qualities of the inky darkness; hence, it is also known as the 3 dimensional darkness/Void. A pinpoint of light or some area of the darkness may catch your attention and you automatically begin being pulled towards it. If this occurs, allow the process to occur and you may be transitioned into a totally new environment. If you express your Intent to travel to a destination but nothing happens, it may be that Higher Guidance has another destination in mind for you, which likely will be a simulation or learning environment. So, if you express an Intent a few times and get nothing, then let the forward zooming take you where it will. I know this can feel like a very uneasy and risky thing, to just let go and trust, but know that you are safe and protected...this is when some real fun can begin!

Quote from: Amongthestarz333 on September 02, 2024, 14:11:48Ooooo well I'm glad I'm not alone! Hopefully with more practice, we will get somewhere. I think I will make intent to just go where my soul/spirit intends me to go. Or to meet my guides and I am trying to set these intentions during the day time so I have a better chance of remembering later on!

Thanks for following along, I'm glad we are finding similarities between our journeys :)

Thank you! I didn't want to comment at first because I wasn't sure if it would be welcome to encroach on your topic here. I'm still new to the forum :D I'm very glad we can share with others here, how amazing :)

I fully agree with your intent setting process. I use the same approach - to soak my subconscious mind with it enough during the daytime so it would be remembered during te experiences :) And I also agree with following the guidance or connecting with the guides.

Quote from: EscapeVelocity on September 02, 2024, 14:23:39Observing the Void, you may notice what look like stars or tiny pinpoints of light; you can also notice the depth and texture qualities of the inky darkness; hence, it is also known as the 3 dimensional darkness/Void.

Thank you for your kind advice! I think I have been to what I might call the void numerous times (maybe 15? times in the last year since I have started). I wonder, is it normal that it can look a little different each time? I recognise it mostly by the (blissful for me) vibrations and usually the star-like blackness (which I find very beautiful) and yes, the forwards zooming. To clarify, usually, I see numerous/infinite stars. Once I saw 15 stars. Once one huge star/light. Once, it was more of a grainy blackness. Sometimes I'm guided somewhere and sometimes it feels like nothing is happening. Maybe "they" test my patience or maybe I'm not "there" in the void?  :-D

Also, following Frank Kepple's terminology, I guess it would be possible to imagine the void within the F2 instead of actually being there?

In my experience yes, the Void can look different and I'm not sure why, maybe it has to do with personal energy or degree of awareness- I've seen it inky black, grainy, with pinpoint lights and without, soft dove gray one time (maybe that wasn't the Void)...I love the blissful tranquility...like a vacation beyond Time!
Imagining it in Frank's F2 is certainly a possibility, I suppose. Maybe the lesson there is simply the realization of that.
The Void is also recognized in Monroe terminology as Focus 15.

If you have managed to have the Void transport you somewhere, please start a separate thread and tell us one of your adventures, we would love to read about it!

Quote from: EscapeVelocity on September 02, 2024, 14:23:39BarboraD,
If the 'forward zooming' movement feels like it is pulling you deeper into the Void, then relax and go with it.

This is very helpful! If I end up there again, I will allow myself to just be. I think I was just confused like where am I haha. But these comments are all making me feel much better and more confident. I will definitely go in more confident in myself and trusting in my guides.

Thank you so much <3

Quote from: BarboraD on September 02, 2024, 14:57:52Thank you! I didn't want to comment at first because I wasn't sure if it would be welcome to encroach on your topic here. I'm still new to the forum :D I'm very glad we can share with others here, how amazing :)

I fully agree with your intent setting process. I use the same approach - to soak my subconscious mind with it enough during the daytime so it would be remembered during te experiences :) And I also agree with following the guidance or connecting with the guides.

Please comment away! I love that we can build a community, and any advice you have is welcomed <3

Hi AmongTheStarz, Welcome to The Pulse!

Nice progress! It always puts a smile on my face to see people achieving results. Great job! Your hard work and discipline are really paying off :-)

When I experience The Void, it's three-dimensional, and I navigate it with my astral body. It's also possible to feel your physical body sleeping in bed while in this state (it's definitely weird to feel two bodies at once!). But focus solely on the astral body, and the physical one will fade away. And hey, it's pretty funny when your sleeping mask or earplugs get stuck! Just remove them, but don't try to "open your eyes" because your physical eyes might open instead. Remember, we're seeing through different senses now.

You're doing well by repeating your intention throughout the day - aim for at least four times, if possible. It might take some time to sink in, but trust me, it's worth it. It used to take me up to 15 days, but with practice, it now only takes two or three. Find an intention that truly resonates with your heart's desire, and you'll achieve it more easily because of the love you have for it.
Just remember to be patient and do everything with love.

Beautiful, Cali! Greetings from Argentina. Your English is fantastic, but if you ever need any advice in Spanish, count me in.
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Quote from: EscapeVelocity on September 02, 2024, 16:21:39In my experience yes, the Void can look different and I'm not sure why, maybe it has to do with personal energy or degree of awareness- I've seen it inky black, grainy, with pinpoint lights and without, soft dove gray one time (maybe that wasn't the Void)...I love the blissful tranquility...like a vacation beyond Time!
Imagining it in Frank's F2 is certainly a possibility, I suppose. Maybe the lesson there is simply the realization of that.
The Void is also recognized in Monroe terminology as Focus 15.

If you have managed to have the Void transport you somewhere, please start a separate thread and tell us one of your adventures, we would love to read about it!

Thank you, EV, for your tips, they're greatly appreciated :) It's reassuring to read about your experiences of it. And I agree that if it looks a bit odd, one can perhaps affirm/request to see the void.

I did such an affirmation once in my AP and the environment remained the same so, hopefully, the affirmation didn't fail. How can one know?  :roll:  :-)

Yes, dear Monroe was how it all started for me. Then Bruce Moen, Robert Bruce, and Frank Kepple <3

Quote from: Tak on September 02, 2024, 20:47:38Hi AmongTheStarz, Welcome to The Pulse!

Nice progress! It always puts a smile on my face to see people achieving results. Great job! Your hard work and discipline are really paying off :-)

When I experience The Void, it's three-dimensional, and I navigate it with my astral body. It's also possible to feel your physical body sleeping in bed while in this state (it's definitely weird to feel two bodies at once!). But focus solely on the astral body, and the physical one will fade away. And hey, it's pretty funny when your sleeping mask or earplugs get stuck! Just remove them, but don't try to "open your eyes" because your physical eyes might open instead. Remember, we're seeing through different senses now.

You're doing well by repeating your intention throughout the day - aim for at least four times, if possible. It might take some time to sink in, but trust me, it's worth it. It used to take me up to 15 days, but with practice, it now only takes two or three. Find an intention that truly resonates with your heart's desire, and you'll achieve it more easily because of the love you have for it.
Just remember to be patient and do everything with love.

Beautiful, Cali! Greetings from Argentina. Your English is fantastic, but if you ever need any advice in Spanish, count me in.
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Hi Tak <3

Thank you so much for your kind words and advice. This community has showed me time and time again so much support and love.

I am having more progress! It makes me so so thrilled! I recently started to set alarms to do reality checks + affirmations that "I am more than my physical body, and now I am consciously having an out of body experience". But I am afraid you are totally right! They are not my own affirmations, and I am going to journal and figure out some which resonate for me personally. It was a good start though!

As I continue my meditation practice, even when I take a break because of work or life, I feel like I get even stronger coming back to it.

I may have to take your offer on learning Spanish! :-) Your English is very good too!
I can offer to teach you some Russian! My family is from the Ukraine. Although we don't speak Ukrainian, I do speak Russian :-)

As your first lesson, "Spasibo!" Which means thank you <3

Most Recent update 09/22/2024:

Hi Everyone! Thank you all so much for engaging with me. I cannot stress enough, the gratitude I have for all of you. It has been such a wonderful experience finding this forum. Every day I feel closer and closer to my authentic self, and I wanted to thank you all for helping me get closer to where I would like to be.

I will start by sharing my experience, and at the end I will write a few notes. These are for my growth, and so I remember things as they were, so I will be very honest here.

This morning, I woke up around 6am and I was still quite sleepy, so I decided to go back to sleep and I set the intention of Lucid Dreaming. I thought, "I will Lucid Dream". So I did! I woke up in my dream, it was a strange one I can't quite remember, but I didn't have to do any reality checks, I just realized it was a dream immediately, and stopped the dream. I sat on the floor in my dream and it looked like green and white large checkers. I started to touch the floor, as many have said you should touch whatever you can, engage your senses, etc. So I stop the dream, and my intention is to AP, so the dream stops and I start flying through blackness. It's not entirely black, kind of like swirls of light around me. This time I'm a little more prepared, as I realize I might be going somewhere. So here I'd like to note I had two obe's, and with this first one, it is really hard for me to describe the place and creatures I was seeing—so please bear with me lol!
I'm not sure how I arrive, but I arrive from the blackness into this place. It is green, with perhaps a little town to my right which is very different from what I see on my left. On my left are these creatures in almost like a carnival setting. They were very big, almost mascot like, but they were not in any costumes. It's very hard for me to remember exactly what they look like, even harder to describe them. Anyways, hopefully with time, and writing these down, I will better remember. So I came up to this creature, I am not sure what he said, but I think he was blowing up a balloon or something fun like. I touched his face, and was so giggly, I thanked them and moved on. I walked to the middle of the grass-field where you could see a moon, and I thought, hmm this is perfect to set some intentions! (One thing to note, that little town or something that I saw earlier, is no longer there anymore.) So I am in this grass field , and I say, "I would love to meet my guide". I repeat myself a few times, and nothing happens so I figure it isn't the time, and then I set the intention of going to the moon. I think, I would like to go to the moon. And nothing happens. So I think, I should be able to fly! So with my mind I try very hard to fly, I float up a little, but that was it. (As I am writing this, I am thinking, this may not even be a moon I was seeing) So with my attempt to fly/float, I end up back to my body. Although it is not over yet! I wake up next to my partner and I tell him, I had an AP! But this was just a false awakening, I feel my leg shaking (not vibrating), and then I wake up again, this time in the physical.

It's still pretty early, I am quite tired, I set the intention of lucid dreaming, so it works again! "I will Lucid Dream" is the affirmation I used. I stop my dream, and I end up back at the same place it feels like. I somehow knew it was the same place. This time, I didn't go through any blackness to get there. I just got there immediately after stopping the dream. I ended up walking down a path, and to my left I see these very large creatures, more human like, but not at all, and very big. I walk passed them and I meet these three girls. I start to chat with them because honestly I am in awe that everyone can see me. I ask them where we are and they say the city name, and Quebec. I couldn't remember what they said was the city. I couldn't remember in the OBE. I kept asking them to repeat themselves, and I think I started to tell them about AP, and so they started running off. I followed them and got stuck in this area, almost behind a small building. I wasn't really supposed to be here it felt, and this man starts talking to me. He was friendly, and confirmed that I wasn't supposed to be back here but I won't get in any trouble. We start chatting and I ask again, where and when am I? He tells me the city again, but all I can recall or comprehend is Quebec! And he says 2030. He shows me his ID, I try to read the city, but I couldn't understand the card. I share that I am actually from 2024, and from California. After I started to share about myself and where I am from, and I am actually APing, I end up back to my body.

Notes:
- I find it easier to AP from and LD. Partly because I can just set an intention of LD, and go to sleep. I find it harder to get myself to fully relax when setting the intention to AP from a conscious state because I am too excited. I am still practicing though!
- It was difficult for me to fully remember everything after my experiences, which I was aware of when I was there. I set the intention in my OBE to remember this experience. I also had a hard time understanding remember when I was in the experience.
- During my first experience, I kept feeling my hair in my face.
- During the first experience, it was not so clear in the beginning, I thought, clarity now, and I think as time went on, it got a bit more clear. That being said, it still felt very..dream like? I hear others report their experiences as almost more real than the physical, so that is why I wanted to mention that piece.
- Also, in addition to my hair, I had this fear of talking with my mouth, like it would disturb my physical body. I think later it stopped, and I naturally started to speak. I think Tak said that if you try to hard to open your eyes/mouth you may actually do it with your physical. I think I did feel my physical body at some point.
- The second experience was easier to recall! Although I still had this difficulty with remembering the city name, or maybe I wasn't meant to.
- Another thing to note is I was not feeling well during the night, I have read that when you don't eat or have less carbs, you more easily project. I definitely didn't have anything in my tummy by the morning. Sorry for the TMI, but yeah, was not feeling well last night! But was able to have 2 back to back experiences.

So that's it! My first Astral Travel? I think so anyways. If you have any insight or thoughts, suggestions, etc. Please, I would love to hear it. I have very much enjoyed this community and engaging with all of you. It has been an absolute pleasure!

- B. From Cali :-)

Nice work!
Phasing from two LDs, stopping your dream without destabilizing it, recognizing a False Awakening...whew! That was a busy morning!

Many things are occurring within these experiences- Each experience allows you to increase and stabilize your awareness within the higher frequencies, thus allowing you to move even higher/deeper; you are continuing to improve at controlling emotions like fear, confusion and excitement; you are increasing your cognitive function, again without disrupting or destabilizing the new environment; you are learning to navigate within the Non-Physical; you are learning the intricacies of expressing your Intention; you are learning to communicate with others...a lot going on here.

Something I mentioned to BarboraD earlier in this thread- When you find yourself in a completely new environment that you don't immediately recognize, it is often an environment created for you as a learning situation, there is a lesson waiting for you. If you express an Intention to go elsewhere or to fly, as you did, and nothing happens after several tries, this is often a very good indicator that you should stay put and try to discern what this environment expects of you and what there is to learn. In some cases, you can simply ask aloud something like 'What am I supposed to learn here?'...and a Voice may answer. With no answer, you are going to have figure it out for yourself. The fact that you returned to the Physical might be because you kind of 'timed out' on the lesson...or it might have been simply that you had learned a lot just in the multiple transitions and were returned to consolidate/remember your insights.

Communication is always sketchy at first, a lot to learn here. Try looking deep into their eyes for confirmation they are conscious and not just dream characters...

Again, nicely done!

EV!

Thank you again for your insight! I was just reading Taks journal and your responses and analyzations. They're very helpful. I think my first time goin in, I truly didn't give it a chance. Eager to do more I suppose. This is recurrent for me, as when I was in what I believe is the void from a few posts ago, I too was too eager to go somewhere. I must learn to be patient and observant. The second time I went in today, I stayed a little longer, but my excitement to speak to others and focus on what city I was in may have been the wrong focus.

Next time what I will do differently:
- Stop and observe more, try to focus
— Also maybe use my senses a little more, touch what is around me, try to jump, anything to increase my consciousness there
- Ask what is my lesson here, if I find myself having a hard time

Thank you again <3
- B. from Cali

Your excitement to communicate with others and ask what city you were in is perfectly understandable, that is why the opportunity of that interaction occurred, so your focus was fine in that moment. That was a small learning opportunity.
The feeling of getting misplaced or stuck behind the building may have been your intuition confirming you had somehow gone off-track with the current lesson, the man confirming your realization. That happens, small failures being frustratingly almost imperceptible at times.
Our eagerness to go places and do things is also understandable; no one is standing there saying slow down, be patient and just observe before you act...part of this may be our Guides' desire to observe our natural responses to initial situations in order to tailor future lessons more specifically to our inherent tendencies...just a thought. It does appear to be a really subtle form of teaching...hence the really small, baby steps I mentioned earlier in the thread.
I went through much of the same process about fifteen years ago.
It is learning a very fine and delicate balance early on of observing versus action. Difficult at first, but it gets better over time.
Do what you can to just keep adding experiences...it is a cumulative process.

More fun to come!

EV

EV is right, all our spiritual experiences are a cumulative process. Sometimes connecting the dots and unraveling their true meaning can take from decades to mere minutes. This is why keeping a journal is so important.

Hey AmongTheStarz, congrats! What an amazing experience, I thoroughly enjoyed reading about it.

I love those zoomorphic beings and carnival vibes. I also see many festivals in my LDs, remind me of Indian ceremonies – singing and dancing in the streets with devotional ecstasy. It's nice to join them for a while!
Regarding animals, yes, many odd creations appear. I've even seen myself as a woman with eagle features, massive wings, and taloned feet. I think this is our mind's way of opening up to new ideas and interpretations beyond this conventional world.

You have a natural talent for this; look at all the fascinating things that happened in that short span of time! I believe you're on the right track and should continue doing what is working for you.

If I were to suggest anything, it'd be this:

- Initially, don't focus on controlling or trying to reach specific places. Just go with the flow, exploring with wonder and curiosity. As EV said, most experiences will be lessons or simulations created by non-physical instructors to help us navigate this new environment. Manipulating the scene might wake you up physically. So, let the experience unfold!
But, if you still want to manipulate the environment, first visualize the scene in your mind, like daydreaming. The desired scene might appear around the corner or behind a door. Sometimes what we're seeking is "hidden" and doesn't appear right in front of us.

–Completely forget about your physical body; don't even think about it, as it may stimulate something and wake you up (e.g. thinking about opening your eyes because it's dark). If you struggle to speak, try telepathic communication – simply transmit your thoughts to the being in front of you; it works!
If you have trouble seeing, ask for help or vividly imagine the desired environment (it may take several seconds to appear).

– Fully immerse yourself in the scene before you, interacting with objects and stimulating all senses (smell, touch, vision, etc.). This integrates you into the scenario and enhances awareness and experience quality (well-described in Xanth's book, which I recommend). You successfully did It!

– Since your awareness wasn't at 100%, it still felt 'dreamlike'. The more aware you are, the more 'real' the experience will be. Try counting from 1 to 10 or doing some multiplication to increase awareness (engaging the left brain hemisphere seems to stabilize it I think).

– Your Guides are always with you; not seeing or immediately responding doesn't mean they're far away. As you mentioned, maybe it's not the right moment. Their energy is intense, and it can be overwhelming, or they might not want to distract you during training. But they'll appear someday :-)

– Keeping a dream journal will help you recall experiences better, activating brain areas linked to interpretation and representation. Translating this energy into words and forms will be easier.

Sorry for my mistake earlier; I thought Cali referred to a city in Colombia, then realized it might be California! Oops, lol. I'm embarrassed! I'd love to learn Russian and other languages; I speak Portuguese, English, and Spanish for now.

I'm glad my journal is helpful. Before discovering the Pulse, I was stuck in the Void for over 10 years, unable to progress beyond lucid dreams or going beyond te Void. Thanks to this community's excellent advice and recommended books, I learned to navigate non-physical realms and understand them better.

Thanks! And please continue sharing your progress and any questions you have  :-)

As always thank you everyone for your encouraging words, and support during my journey :)

EV! Your brain is so marvelous haha, I didn't even think of that, how that was my little sign I have gone off course. I will definitely try to just be, and enjoy where I am. I think it's also a life lesson. For me, I am always trying to move forward or rarely pausing in the same place for too long, so practicing mindfulness is something new to me. It applies even more so to my new adventures it seems. With all of your feedback, I do feel so much more progress. Like I mentioned, when I was going through that void the first time, I didn't give any time! So I went back to my body. It seems my energy body is even more impatient and eager than I am in the physical haha!

Frosty Traveler, thank you! I definitely keep a dream journal, a spiritual journal, and then writing my experiences here has been very helpful with everyone's feedback!
I can't wait to have more cumulative experiences. For now, I am still day dreaming about my last ones!

Tak, I am so happy to have found this platform as well. I feel like a broken record, but I just am so grateful for everyone's warmth and support. No need to feel embarrassed, friend! I should adjust my signature a bit, being from California we tend to feel like we are our own country sometimes LOL Just kidding! :P I do wish to visit Colombia some day. Thank you for this feedback! I will try to count or do math to help ground myself. I am also curious about your experience with eating a leaf! I think I may try that too! I definitely am keeping a few journals and do my best to document most things. It has been very helpful. I am eager to meet my guides, I may include it in my new personalized, daily affirmations/intentions.

Thanks Everyone!

- B From California

9/25/24 04:00am-06:00am

Awareness level: Dream Awareness

Good Morning Everyone, or at least it is morning where I am. I wanted to document this experience here because I feel I need some guidance interpreting some of it. I must disclaim as I continue my OBE journey, I'm also exploring my spiritual journey, meditation, my angels, guides, everything. That being said, yesterday I found two feathers on my path walking my dog. I typically don't walk on this path. It was a grey feather and a black feather. I read that this can mean I am protected, I have change coming, but it will be good afterwards, OR an opportunity to clear karmic debt. The night before I hear and see two owls! Really rare for my part of the world. I read that owls
are messages to trust our intuition and tap into the deep well of wisdom residing within.

Anywho so those are some things I have seen recently in the physical. Now onto my experience this morning. I attempted to wake up at 4am, and then do a few cycles as one projector calls it, to induce a lucid dream. As usual it was still hard for me to fall asleep after this. Im too awake after! (But if you ask me to just sleep and wake up at 6am for work I can barely roll out of bed LOL) I'm honestly like a kid that's excited to go to summer camp anytime I wake up in the middle of the night to practice. And I don't mean consciously excited, but my subconscious! She doesn't want to rest. So I start doing the counting method I read the other night. "1 I'm dreaming, 2 I'm dreaming..." all the way to 100 three times (with losing count many times). I finally am tired enough to go to sleep after an hour.

I wake up in a normal dream state, there is someone from my high school and I stop him to chat, ask what he is doing now with his life. He starts to tell me and I'm like okay cool! I get this disorientation in the dream and apologize for it, I let him know sometimes this happens. (Maybe referring to my migraines, idk) but this does happen in dreams sometimes, where I get disoriented, dizzy almost. Anyways, he asks me for a photo, and then leaves. I'm like a photo?? Of me? And then I'm on my phone trying to figure this out. I'm looking in the mirror and then my hair starts to come out in clumps! My partner comes in and tries to help me. I wake up.

I've never had a dream where my hair was falling out, but this was horrible. I go back to sleep. Another dream.

This dream, someone who I'm not currently speaking to is there, and I'm next to a bed I'm meant to sleep in and it's covered in bugs. I'm not fearful of a lot of things, but looks like my mind has found two things that are definitely disturbing to me! So I'm asking why there are bugs? And then there are more. I wake up in the physical.

I go back to sleep again, and note, each time I return to sleep I set an intention I will wake up, become lucid, gain awareness. I repeat it many times.

I go back and it's the same dream as before! What is this hell? The bed full of bugs, this person I don't want to talk to, who is testing me and talking poorly about some people I love, and now there are more bugs. I wake up screaming because I felt a giant bug with wings jump on my back. I mean I felt, heard, everything.

I am still processing. Another very busy morning for me.

Also a note: I find I have more success with lucid dreams between the hours of 7am-9am, after I've had a good amount of rest.

Thanks for listening, B.

Great experience! A lot involved here, mostly personal symbolism you will have to work out. Obviously the bugs in your bed strongly indicate something is bugging you and your sleep/NP activities. The flying bug attaching to your back, really strong like an exclamation point.

Hair falling out in clumps, generally and for me, is like teeth falling out or crumbling...it's a dream sign of feeling weakness or inability to deal with an issue...it may have a different or more personal meaning for you.

Can you provide a more detailed description of your two owls encounter? There may be something important there.

EV

Hi EV!

Thank you again. I definitely have been thinking about these experiences a lot today as they have really caught me off guard. I admit today has been really difficult for me. I almost have a faint memory of a thought before bed last night during my meditation of what if I have a nightmare instead? Which turned into, if there is a lesson, then I'm okay with it.

About the owls, I heard the owl first during my walk, and I looked up, and saw it up on the pole near my apartment! Then I heard another hoo! And there was another owl on the next pole. They both flew away.

The next day I saw feathers on my walk.

Just little things like this make me feel like I'm getting a message of some sort?

-B.

Happy Holidays, everyone!

It has been a while. Sorry for my absence. Life had gotten ahead of me. I wanted to document my last few experiences and hear your opinions.

Today 12/27/2024 was my most recent OBE. Not much happened. I woke up earlier than my alarm and thought this is a perfect time to "attempt". So I made the intention of waking up in my dreams and astral projecting. What's been happening lately is I'll realize I'm in a dream super abruptly right at the very end and wake up in the physical! But I'm coming to realize I am not fully awake.

SO! I woke up this morning abruptly from realizing I was in a dream, and I was in the physical in that half awake state. I felt very much awake, but I thought, "why not try slipping out?" So I did. I slipped out, heavily and with some difficulty, and then I was on the floor. Kind of like, my entire body was contracted together. I crawled to my door, while propping myself up by the walls, and attempted to open the door. I couldn't see a thing. I kept thinking "vision" or something along those lines. The door knob was not a regular doorknob, and that was as far as I got. Back to my bed I went. Although this time, I think that I am awake, I try to project again and think it's too late. So I reach for something in my night-stand, and bah, then I actually wake up.  :-D Well that was still interesting...

I have been having more of these exits and difficulty controlling my "body". Another time, I floated to the ceiling, and then to the other side of the room. I got so annoyed with the lack of control, I just ended up in my body. XD I swear, I have the most impatient spirit.

Christmas Day 12/25/24

I wake up early, and decide to go back to bed. I set the intention of waking up in my dreams and AP.

& so it happens! My dreams, just to note, when I make this intention, are never the friendliest dreams.

Anyways, I realize I am having a dream, stop my dream, and am in my physical/half awake state. I attempt to slip out the first time and my arm gets stuck. I pushed too hard trying to project and my arm was in some strange position when I was in bed. Okay, I snap back to my body, but am able to slip out. This time I start pushing my self through my feet the way I have before, and I naturally flip over. Cool. Now, I am in a "click" or "void". Still not sure what this place is called, but it's just the darkness before I end up somewhere, and I think I saw a light purple swirl of some sort.

The darkness transitions to a place full of trees and sky. I'M FLYING. How fun is that?! What a beautiful gift. My vision, or this place is a little pixelated? I cannot feel the trees. But I did enjoy it so much. After a little bit of flying I think to myself, "Guides, whenever you feel is divinely right, I would love to meet you". Then I am back to my body  :-) I could probably slip out again, but I'm sleeping on my hands, and they have gotten numb LOL.

Happy Holidays again to all that celebrate! <3

-B

12/08/2024

Note: On this day, I went to a woman who read my Akashik records, and completed a family constellation for me. It was incredibly healing. <3 I was exhausted when I came home and took a nap and then just a little later went back to sleep, and the OBE happened on maybe hour 4 of sleep.

This was probably my longest experience so far and some details I may not have correctly.
I woke up and thought I felt my partner moving and thought, "oh darn, that ruined my chances of projecting". Actually, I was able to sit right up and get out of bed. Everything felt very real and HEAVY. I dragged myself to my window, while propping myself up from the bed. I attempted to open the window to go through it, and a reality check, both failed. (I believe I pushed my thumb through my palm, and it didn't work) Gosh everything feels so real!

There's a little lapse in my memory at this point, because I do remember projecting at least 3x this day. I just can't remember the order. Anyways now I'm back in the void or click and I am falling downwards. During this I see an equation of some sort. "nb+c". Swirls and other things in the blackness.

Now since I remember the window method not working, at some point, I went to my living room. Except it's not quite my living room, and my balcony has two screen doors with a little room in between. Then passed the screen doors is a beautiful pink, smoggy, EMPTY, city. It felt eerie, so I hesitated I admit. I decided to go back to my bedroom (also it is easier to walk now, I think I have projected maybe 3x now.) and my partner is awake! He is awake and IDK what we chat about but we end up sitting and eating ice cream sandwiches. The ice cream sandwich--also strange, in an "I" shape, like the cookies are horizontal and the ice cream, vertical. LOL. We had a good time, and then I woke up in the physical. I woke him up too and am like babe! I just had an OBE, and you were there and we ate ice cream sandwiches XD He didn't remember anything but was definitely excited for me.

Thanks for listening <3
-B

Oh! and in October, I had a little experience.

I was on vacation with my partner. We slept, I woke up and slipped out in the morning. I walked into the living room, and then I started to "OM". It felt like a continuous "OOOOMMMMM" Which was cool. Then I went back to my body.


A few questions I have are:
1. How do I make my experiences longer?
2. How do I make moving easier when I slip out, so I don't feel like a heavy glob :'D
3. How do I stay more present/mindful? I feel like my spirit is constantly so impatient, when the physical me is just happy to be in the NP!

Thanks for listening along <3 I missed you all!
B.

Quote from: Amongthestarz333 on December 27, 2024, 12:18:40A few questions I have are:
1. How do I make my experiences longer?
2. How do I make moving easier when I slip out, so I don't feel like a heavy glob :'D
3. How do I stay more present/mindful? I feel like my spirit is constantly so impatient, when the physical me is just happy to be in the NP!

Thanks for listening along <3 I missed you all!
B.

Welcome back!

 So, it seems your technique is working for you. Like they say, "if it ain't broken, don't fix it". I am somehat confused though. You say you get lucid in your dream, then you stop that "simulation", so that you can focus on leaving your body. While in your dream scenario, you are already in the non-physical realms. Explore there. There is always an adventure that awaits you.

 Now to my answers to your questions. First off, you are doing great!
#1. Improve your awareness wherever it is that you are. Touch the ground or a table, wall, etc. Become part of your new surroundings, while keeping in the furthest recess of your thinking, that you are aware that this is a simulation.

#2  I have felt that glue like sensation and found the further I got away from my body, the less "pull" my physical body had on me. From some other Authors and practitioners of OBEs, in the act of "separation" from the physical body, they say that you need to be at least 15ft away from it. These days, my only actual OBEs have me being dragged out by my feet. Why? I have never found out.

#3  Go with the flow! Don't fight it. You will find a balance. Observe first, then react. Many of my dream simulations have me first watching the scene, as in 3rd person view and then when the situation become dire, or as I say, "when the sht hits the fan", I find myself tagged in and now I have to solve the problem or situation at hand from a 1st person view. My first lessons in the NPRs taught me to "passively observe, with an air of curiosity". You will learn a lot that way. Be patient. 

Hi Amongthestarz- so nice to meet you. My name's Eric and I'm from Houston, TX. I read your last two post and I thought they were really cool. Sometimes when I'm OoB the environment is very heavy and staticky, I'll stumble about and walk around like a drunkard.

Other times I float down the stairs and phase through physical objects without hesitation.

So what's the difference between the two experiences? I'm not sure, I don't control my OBE's by will. If you figure it out please share here.  :-) 

Lately I wonder what other elements are at play. Like, what did I consume the day before the OoB? Could our food or drink make a difference?

Maybe things were heavy because your mind really wanted to go to sleep with the rest of your body. You said your self you were exhausted from the Akashic workshop.

There is something to be said for the WBTB(wake back to bed) method. Most always, without trying, I'll enter the hypnagogic state from there.

I am very interested in the feelings around the Akashic workshop. What all did you learn from it?

Congratulations with all your success.  :-)

@Lumaza, thank you for the wonderful feedback. I ask myself the same thing, why not continue the LD? I read somewhere that if I were to stop my LD, I could immediately enter astral awareness. This has worked for me every time. Its also this impatience I have when I'm in the NP. Like my energy body is always onto the next best thing.

I try to get away from my physical body, I do. But man, it's sometimes impossible! Blind, heavy, with very little control of myself I move to a window or door but alas both locked in my last experiences LOL. Interesting.

You're right, I hope that I find that balance. To be honest I've come a long way. I'm grateful to have any experience at all. Now, to try and be patient / mindful with them!


@tides2dust thank you for your feedback as well! Its good to know I'm not the only drunk soul stumbling around LOL

The family constellation I went to was very powerful. It was with 11 other women. What I keep learning is that we are in fact one, and all have a soul path we are meant to follow. Unfortunately, this means we cannot fix or alter other people's soul paths. Even for their benefit. I learned from every woman there, and am very grateful for the experience.

Its nice to meet you as well, my name is Bianna and I'm in San Diego, California :)

I'm wondering if anyone has this issue with WBTB! Or any guidance. This morning, and others I set the intention of waking up earlier, at about 4:30am. Then I set the same intentions to OBE or have an LD. I go used the restroom when I wake up, but I have a hard time falling asleep. When I finally do, I'm awakened in an almost perfect state to project—but not quite. So this keeps happening over and over. I fall asleep, then wake up. Unable to project, but almost! LOL annoying because I'm not really getting sleep or achieving what I want out of this rest.

Thanks everyone!
-B

 Amongthestarz, Frostytraveler recently posted this video on the Astral Pulse. It was so good that I reposted it over on my Doorway thread. I have a very strong feeling that you will find it helpful. Check it out here.
https://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome-to-astral-chat!/seen-a-good-spiritual-youtube-video-lately-post-it-here!/msg381252/#msg381252

 I was just focusing my mind on your question and how I could help you and this is the message I received.

 When I was first having conscious, initiated by me, OBEs, I used the climbing out of the body experience too. Somewhere along the line the need to actually climb out of body diminished and what they call "Phasing" started to occur. I still get OBEs, as in the sense of "exiting" the body, but those experiences are spontaneous and not initiated by me, directly that is.

 There seems to be a progression that most people that are "chosen" to walk down this path will find. I say chosen because learning how to consciously project or shift, seems to be important in some way, shape or form. It changes a person. Becoming consciously aware doesn't just work in non-physical realms, it works here in the physical as well. I use the word chosen because it seems our "High Self, Guides or Other" seem to think that was are ready to "remember" what we once knew.

 This progression seems to be to more of "Phasing" nature. This has to do with focusing into the darkness before your eyes and being aware of what you find there. The physical body has become an afterthought. No need to exit anything at all. You are already there, wherever there happens to be. This can be "anytime".

 If you are interested, there was a former member of the Pulse, years ago named "Frank Kepple". He wrote this fantastic introduction to "Phasing".
https://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome-to-the-astral-faq!/what-is-phasing-and-how-can-i-do-it/

Hi AmongTheStarz! Great to see you here again, and I can see you've made a lot of progress - congratulations! You're doing an excellent job, and have you realized that you're having experiences almost at will now? That's important. Everything else is just details that will fall into place on their own. You've already received excellent advice, so I'll just add what works for me...

1. If you want to make your experiences last longer, you can program your subconscious for that too. While you're doing the induction before projecting, you can set the intention "I'll have long, lucid dreams/OBEs, and I won't be able to wake up" - repeat it several times. This has been a game-changer for me. Now it's just a matter of not getting scared when you try to return to your body and can't do it for up to three times or more! (And you'll have many false awakenings) Don't despair, you'll always return eventually. That's what I did to extend my experiences, and it worked for me. But everyone's different, so you'll need to experiment and find what works for you.

2. I used to have that problem too - feeling like I was leaving my body, but everything felt heavy, like gravity had increased, and I had to drag myself across the floor. In my case, it just went away on its own. I think your energy body is adjusting to these experiences, and at some point, it might just stop happening. Or, as Lumaza says, try forgetting that you have a body and just focus on your consciousness and will - that might help.

3. I think the best way to practice patience is through practices here in the physical, like meditation or other mindfulness exercises.

Keep up the good work and keep sharing your progress with us.
Thanks!
:-)

Lumaza, Tides and Tak have provided excellent answers that help you build your personal picture of the Non-Physical Realities. I think your most immediate issue is one of re-setting or re-ordering the way you are thinking about the NPR...on an intellectual level, you may think about it one way, but when you are OOB you are expressing it in a very different way, and that is holding up your progress at the moment. That is okay, it is all part of the process...but I wanted to offer some hints.

My example is this comment from your last post in this thread- "I try to get away from my physical body, I do. But man, it's sometimes impossible! Blind, heavy, with very little control of myself I move to a window or door but alas both locked in my last experiences LOL. Interesting"

Two issues at work here- One may be that you are blind and heavy so that you are forced to realize something about a more immediate thing that you are misperceiving: the fact that you are thinking too much from the PR perspective and cannot understand how to move beyond a locked door or window. You are already Non-Physical so why not just pass through the door or window? Who cares if it's locked?! You don't have to unlock or open either the door or the window, just move through them. This is an example of PR thinking limitations carrying over into the NPR...and you will continue to get tested on this until you realize the difference and react accordingly. Subtle, huh?

The second issue is the blind and heavy and stumbling around like a drunk. If you refer back to my first response in this thread, I mentioned the idea of gradually evolving our consciousness/awareness from the etheric energy body to the astral, then the mental and so on. If that idea doesn't resonate with you, then think of it as the evolution and refinement of your "dreaming body" and in this context you are still learning how the dreaming body works- Sometimes you have difficulty with vision because you are not using physical eyes; you are not walking properly because it's not a matter of controlling leg muscles and tendons and joints; you are not touching objects because everything is Non-Physical...so, new senses have to be developed and new forms of sensory interpretation have to be learned...

Lumaza makes the great suggestion to work with your lucid dreams and I agree. And I will suggest this again- Consider the differences between your heavy, blind drunken OBEs with the nearly weightless and clear aspects of your dreams and lucid dreams...

@Lumaza thank you again for all of your wonderful information and resources. As for phasing, I hope that one day I could attain this! I do try sometimes, but have yet to succeed. Phasing was the first methods I read about on here. Overtime, I hope I can be one of the ones who achieve this! Thank you <3

@Tak hi! It's good to be back. Almost* at will haha. A lot of the time I set an intention of LD / AP and will have a very REAL dream. Typically unpleasant too. Like this morning, I was practicing and unfortunately just woke from a very unpleasant, hyper realistic, dream awareness. Sometimes I feel like my subconscious tries to let me know I'm in a LD by making me uncomfortable! Lol

But if I give it a couple days I'm sure I'll be back to more successful attempts.

TYSM for the guidance. Setting that type of intention and including that I'll be there long, sounds like a perfect idea. I am starting to understand the power that holds with intentions. The other night I said I wanted to wake up early without my alarm, and so I did! Really miraculous. You, EV, and many others are right, in the NPR I need to start behaving as such. Sometimes I don't recognize my energy body LOL she forgets everything she learns here in the PR. Perhaps I must work on my intentions for this as well. You are a 100% right about the mindfulness, I am a work in progress.

@EscapeVelocity! It's so good to hear from you. Thank you for all of your time and guidance over this time, along with everyone else's. I am truly so grateful to be able to come here to all of my teachers. What a place.

You are right on the dot, my OOB self is a bit rogue sometimes and forgets all of her teachings XD I may include some rewiring of her in my intentions. I am patient, I can move lightly as energy, or something a long these lines, so it may carry over. You're right, those were great tests and I failed haha. I think that's probably why I end up in my room so often with this heavy globby self. My guides trying to teach me how to move in the NPR. Time and time again, I show them I cannot. But I'm certain, next time, I will. No door or window will stop me :-P also, I will stay in my LD next time. I have been trying so hard for one outcome, I completely dodged the other.

Thank you!
-B

Since my last experience, I have been having trouble lucid dreaming/gaining awareness. Instead of gaining a sense of awareness that I am dreaming, I'll wake up in my dream and then wake up again in the physical. That's happened a few times, or I just dream.

That being said, I still had a very interesting dream this morning.

I was a young man and I was taking my brother and I away from a place that started to get bombed/attacked. My understanding was we were some type of refugees. We ran to our safe house and checked to see if our father was alive. He was! And so I wake up. But I'm in another dream, this time I'm myself, telling my best friend that I had a past life dream and I'm explaining the dream to her over a salad. Then I wake up again in the physical. Ah I overslept.

Haha, Happy New Year, Everyone!
-B

Hello Everyone,

Came to log my recent experience and really try to remember and understand it. This was a bit chaotic so bare with me.

1/19/2025

I woke up in the morning and went back to sleep, setting the intention to have an OBE. So I wake up and I feel like I can slip out. I think of a motion in my head, something I was thinking about & it helps me project. At first it is difficult, I can't tell what's the physical or not. Feels like I'm moving my real body, but I try to tell myself I'm not. There were so many exits I don't really remember the timeline here.
I think I snapped back to my body and then fully slipped out again. Through my feet. Then I was falling or flying, I think I see a sign of some sort, I can't remember it now. I think I end up back in my room, floating, remembering that this might be a test to figure out how to move in the NP. So I try, I think I spin a bit, go through the floor, a wall, but I have very little control. It's like a force is moving me. At some point I think my fingers get stuck somewhere and I can feel the pain, and I thought this was strange.. I'm like how can I feel pain here unless... my physical body is experiencing pain. Okay I snap back again and my fingers were uncomfortable—but in hindsight that was maybe a FA. Because I was not awake the way I am now writing to you. I slip out the same way again. This time everything is more clear, better.

Okay so now I'm flying over this place, looks like a creepy building with washing machines? There's one woman doing her laundry. She has short hair and she appears African American. I talk to her but I thought I was going to leave, until I stop myself and think maybe I'm supposed to talk to her. She appeared sad, confused, and I think she was talking to herself. This laundry room or building felt eerie, sad.

I try to stay, I ask her how she is doing.. I'm not sure we have a really long conversation.. I don't remember what she tells me but after a little bit I get pulled back.

That's the last thing I remember. I can't remember the other exits, I think I fell asleep after then woke up.

Interesting experience. Thanks for listening.

B

Quote from: Amongthestarz333 on January 19, 2025, 17:54:04At some point I think my fingers get stuck somewhere and I can feel the pain, and I thought this was strange.. I'm like how can I feel pain here unless... my physical body is experiencing pain. Okay I snap back again and my fingers were uncomfortable—but in hindsight that was maybe a FA.

It's incredible how the mind is capable of reproducing almost perfectly what we've learned in the physical. We can reproduce a reality identical to this one, feeling aromas, flavors, temperature, and even pain - yes, in the non-physical realm. In my case, sometimes animals bite me, but it's never intense pain; it's like when your dog or cat bites you playfully, a gentle sensation.

On the other hand, I realized while being in my energy body that it's not completely subtle; it's still material in some way, just vibrating at a higher speed, but still having some degree of density. That's why we can perceive certain textures and sensations, as described by Monroe and Buhlman in their books, when touching certain materials, for example. In my case, I enjoy rubbing my hands together; it's like a magnetic sensation, like many particles frictioning against each other.

Keep sharing!

1/31/2025

Ah. This was a restless night. Sometimes I make the awful mistake of setting an intention and to have an OBE before going to bed along with a meditation. For me, this is the worst thing to do because—forget sleep! The next 3 or 4 hours I am trying to fall asleep, then waking up either with my eyes closed, or to a noise in my ears, every time I'm almost falling asleep. So basically I'm almost projecting every time I fall asleep. I'm like being woken up every time I'm falling asleep. But now, it's been happening for hours, and either my dog starts snoring, moving, or my mind won't shut up. I beg to my guides please just let me fall asleeeep, I have work in the morning LOL.

So after about 4 hours of this, I finally escape! Haha okay. Yay. I must admit it's hard to have a clear mind for this experience, and again the timeline is also a bit jumbled. I'll do my best to relay it.

I believe the first exit, I ended up going through that tunnel I typically fall through. I fall through fast and this time there's beautiful lights. This is a place I go through before I enter my next place, so I set an intention of receiving a healing. I understand there are healing guides and masters in the astral so I wanted to potentially meet them. I get taken to a place, and to be honest I'm not sure if things started to mix a little. At first I see these intergalactic being heads, who I assumed were going to work on me, and their faces were blurry. But then as I either rubbed my hands or really tried to stay present their faces morphed and so did the place. They turned into some kind of men who seemed upset I was there, there was trash on the floor, and I felt like I should not be there. I was floating above them which also seemed Like an intrusion on their place. So I snapped back. I'm not sure if I created them, because I was falling asleep or what really happened. I think they were kind of bald? Maybe.

Next I was back in my body, and thought I was awake but really I was able to slip out. I ended up floating around my room, went through my ceiling, I tasted things. I don't remember what I tasted but I did it so I could be more present because it was really hard to stay focused here. I remember thinking wow, I'm doing much better floating with my energy body :D also I worked on going through the ceiling, and felt like every layer. So that was fun.

I think that was all of my experience. Then I finally woke up and then went to sleep.

Thanks for listening!
B

2/9/25:

Good Morning! I just wanted to log my attempt from this morning. I woke up lying on my stomach which is a common projection position for me. Earlier when I woke up I thought, next time I wake up, I'll try again. So I set that intention.

Next, I feel myself flipping over, and then falling through the floor. I can't see anything and I don't try to open my eyes too much because of the proximity. Instead, I do something funny, I taste something; and it's sweet! Idk what I taste, but it's sweet. I did attempt to move around to find balance, but I couldn't; I just kept "falling". Then I ended back in the physical. I stayed still for a while hoping I could maybe leave again. But nada. Interesting though, it felt like I ate a strip of something sweet. :P

Little victories?

Thanks for listening!
B

I agree that this may be a 'little victory'.
I could possibly speculate as to a more complex answer, but often I think the simplest answer is probably the correct answer.

Especially as it relates to tastes and smells in the Non-Physical Realms, I can only remember a very few and sporadic experiences such as the one you described. So, I think the simple answer may be that you are learning to develop the NP equivalent of the sense of taste and smell (which work together). Just like learning to see and touch, communicate and ambulate- these are PR senses and coordinations that have their NP equivalents, but they have to be learned in the sense of converting/translating energy/information into more recognizable versions of their PR forms. First, we learn to translate them into our PR terms, then we broaden our knowledge by understanding the extent of these senses in their NP forms. Some NP senses, such as communication, will naturally evolve into more complex forms such as telepathy and direct sensing. Other senses, such as clairvoyance, intuition, reading others, although relatively uncommon in the PR will become strengthened and improved as we move deeper into the NPR, their more natural environment.
So, it seems not so strange to me that we get these brief lessons in bringing new senses 'online', as it were. Taste and smell happened for me in very small and brief moments, just as you describe. I had the same questions back then...

Years ago I was on a market place and decided to try a chocolate cake. Did not have pay for it (no currency in the astral needed I suppose). The trader just gave it to me.

It tasted a bit like chocolate indeed but also somewhat peculiar and 'awkward' in a a way. Hard to describe.

I think that eating is one of the things we are in the physical to experience. And 'astral taste' shows us why.  :wink:

 The only thing I could add to the already fantastic replies here is that in Sleep studies Researchers have found the "falling" sensation and experience is aligned with either entering the state of "Hypnagogia" or leaving it, which in your case is a good thing. You became aware in that state and that is an important skill to have in the process and the practice of non-physical exploration. 

Thanks everyone for your wonderful feedback. It seems my progress is slow but it's still there! Little by little, I continue to have experiences. I believe everything in divine timing.

@Lumaza, I suppose my question would be, when I am "falling" should I let it be until I stop? Maybe my attempt to do too much during this is what brought me back.

Thank you,
B.

2/19/25
Today is actually a dream I would like your thoughts on. I was in a car and then someone attempted to shoot me through the seat in front of me. It doesn't work, and I noticed that to my left there's an eagle in the sky.

The dream shifts about this eagle. I run to it, I notice it falling almost and morphing, and losing parts of itself. Once it got to the ground it was pure energy and embodied the energy of a horse. I laid down next to it and I felt the energy of the horse come into me.

Really crazy feeling. I woke up after.

Thanks everyone!
B

Quote from: Amongthestarz333 on February 12, 2025, 10:13:42I suppose my question would be, when I am "falling" should I let it be until I stop? Maybe my attempt to do too much during this is what brought me back.

Just wanting to jump in here quickly... usually the "falling" is caught by you because your intellect gets engaged into the situation.  You "see" something, then your intellect jumps in and starts wanting to question and analyze it. 

Projecting is a 100% Intuitive process.  You need to figure how to put your Intellectual side aside and just allow the Intuitive side to process everything going on.

@Xanth hi :)

Ah, this is something I am working on. I feel as I continue to go within in my PR, I will get better at doing this in the NPR.

Thank you so much for this advice. I feel like I will really have to work on my awareness in a more present way. This will allow my intuition to flow.

Thank you <3
B

I have learned that sometimes overthinking things can not only stop progress (such as exiting) as well as can abruptly end metaphysical events. Passively observing and going with the flow can be your friend. If you must analyze things (and we all do) best to do so when the event has ended. Triggering metaphysical events is always looked back on with the comment "it's far easier than I thought, why did I over complicate things". When we over analyze things, it gets our thinking mind and ego involved and keeps us in the body. This is why, for me, indirectly projecting is far easier than directly projecting. 

@Frostytraveler all very true. Thank you. I am working on just being.

2/26/25:
So this morning I did a little bit of a different method. I went to bed early last night and woke up around 2:30am. During this time, I was in bed doing cycles of feeling all of my senses. I forget what this method was called. I think it's for LDing I read on here. I prematurely wake in a dream the first time, and wake up too much in the PR if that makes sense, but then the second time, I'm able to exit.

Yay! Okay so I slip through my feet at first and I'm doing my best to stay present and then I sit up. I stand up and walking is difficult but not as difficult as before. I can see but not fully. I feel my dresser at the end of my bed that helps me get to my window. Everything feels so real! I have never gone through my window and I just want to get out of my room lol. I get to my window, and honestly I can't even tell if this is the NPR. I pinch myself, and I can't feel it. I try to put my thumb through my hand and I can't. Ugh. Oh well. So I open my window, even though I know I don't technically need to. And there's still the screen there but I tell myself it doesn't matter! So I push myself through it all.

I end up flying towards this complex/building which is unlike mine. I see some people in the pool and I think how exciting I'd love to go talk to them and so I do. But as soon as I do I get pulled back!

Lame! Haha :P

But I think this is the furthest I got out of my room in a long time. Which is exciting. YAY! Now to make the experience last longer. Also to get over my intellectual mind. I could hear all of you as I try to "walk" and "open the window". Yet I still do it. lol more meditation to come.

Thanks everyone!
-B

3/15/25

Today I wasn't feeling well and ended up sleeping a lot more. So as I went to sleep I set an intention and did a cycle of feeling my senses.

I was in a dream and my grandmother who passed away who I'm certain is my soulmate was talking to me on the phone. God it was so real but I told her, you know you're not really here grandma you have passed. She says I know. I told her I love her and to watch over me and to ask God to watch over me. But the conversation—wow I haven't heard her voice in so long.

I ended up flying somewhere and then everything went dark and I felt my self phasing from my body. I was slipping out from my feet, and watching the little swirlies and stuff. I end up in a dark place with these spooky dementor looking things chasing me, but I don't have control over my body it's like a force moving me. So the whole time I had no fear and was just saying I only have love. And I kept repeating that. And so one of them caught onto me, and he turned into a man. I think I tried to hug him lol. He told me not to do that, and then tossed me over the edge of the building or whatever we were in.

I ended up going back to the click space until I got to a place with little cats and dogs, and I could speak with them. I think I pet some animals. I can't remember what we spoke about but one of the dogs was really shocked lol! Couldn't stay long, I feel this place fading.

I'm back to this dark click space like falling again. I say over and over I want to go to the moon. I envision the moon and after sometime I start moving upwards, and am able to move my body a little, but I can't see much. I can feel a card in my hand that I broke in half. I didn't make it to the moon. I made it back to my bed LOL.

What an interesting experience
Thanks for listening,
B.