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Hfeline

I've actually considered starting a blog to document my attempts.  Haven't tho.

I'm currently reading The Phase - A Practical Guidebook.  It details a varied method system which I have tried.  Usually, I fall asleep trying the methods or finish without feeling anything special.  Reading it, it might be a worthwhile book, but I think they give certain details in the wrong order.  For instance, it states early that you will have trouble if you move when you wake up or are too alert, and I just reached a point where it states that it really isn't problem, but most people think it is. 

This all started a year and a half ago when I ordered a book by William Hewitt.  It gives exercises and example stories, some of which I've tried.  Haven't gotten through them all.  He touches on OBE, and I'm currently on the psychometry exercises.  I can generally tell color, but I'm not so hot with suits.  At the very beginning of practicing these exercises, I would get physically ill from them and would hold off the next, but that eventually stopped and I can go through the deck four times.  Once color, once suits, then other one more suits and varied or both varied.  Thinking on it, I eventually came to the conclusion that what I wanted was to perform OBE, and that was maybe a year ago now. 

A little about myself:
So, reading through net resources, I read about hearing sounds like a sort of ringing, which is different than THAT ringing.  So I turned off my music and listened to the silence.  It was easy enough to Identify such a sound in the air.  Once I heard it, I found I was able to identify it even while listening to music, or during conversation if I really wanted to.  Or, it'll fade into the background until I listen for it again.  During one of my more recent attempts.  While I was waking up, I noticed images, not unlike movie reels, but whenever I'd try to focus on them, they'd go blank. 
I haven't tried this yet, but at times, I'll wake up to music, that I should recognize, though I can never remember what it was after.  The phantom wiggling exercise I do.  Just at this time I can extend my hand from the keyboard and feel my fingers curling.  Not as intensely because I'm actually using my fingers actively.
I also perform an exercise, descending into the outlook overlooking a beach and rolling sea, mountain and forest.

Any advice would be appreciated, and please ask questions.

EscapeVelocity

#1
Hello Hfeline and welcome to the Pulse!

If you don't have a natural instinct to the OBE it can be tricky finding what is your best and most convenient method. If you have a strong desire, you will eventually find your technique but it will take some amount of study. That study serves at least two purposes: One, being the introduction to different methods and varying perspectives; Second, you are also programming your subconscious, your inner computer, to do something that is fairly alien to your conscious mind, that being the idea of your consciousness disconnecting and leaving the focus of your physical body.

You may find that meditation is your best method; and maybe that means visualization, or tactile focusing such as concentrating on available "loosening" and "exit" sensations. Or maybe it is a late night, Wake, Back To Bed technique, or an early morning try. Maybe it is found through becoming lucid in a dream. There is the timing and the particular technique to consider; eventually you will learn many methods, but this takes a certain preparation by studying and being open to what sensations present themselves at a given time.

There is plenty of information here to put into the mental database you will need to start to assemble. Then look for what resonates personally for you.

On this board are two good ones to start with: Everything you could want to know about Sleep Paralysis, and personalreality's How I Got Out For The First Time.

Next, on the third board, Consciousness, you will find Xanth's 60 page Primer and Szaxx's Astral Blueprint; both highly recommended.

Personally, I would add that the simplest thing you can begin with is to use simple affirmations every night to remember your dreams and to increase your awareness of your dreams. Think about the awareness or mindset you have had within your dreams. This awareness is the starting-point with which you will develop an OBE or Non-Physical awareness/mindset. Think about the varying levels of this dream awareness you have experienced in the past. This is what you will be working on developing. The level of awareness can be increased equal to your physical awareness and even beyond this in amazing ways! But you have to start somewhere and this is where most of us start. Begin a Dream Diary, write them down; this will show you patterns and themes.

Hope that gives you some ideas to think on. Feel free to ask questions; there are great ideas and perspectives here.

Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.
                                                          -O. Wilde

Hfeline

I've read up on it, but as you've stated, I haven't studied as much as I may have to.  I'm familiar with rope climbing, levitating, rolling out, as well as visualizing, listening (which I think is my strongest point) phantom wiggling, and few others.  I try to train these, but usually, I end up not getting the opportunity, or forgetting.  I have at times kept dream logs.  When I was younger, I would usually remember all my dreams, but it has been years since I did that, and I usually forget them.

As far as meditation goes, I'm not really sure how to do it.  I'm aware that it can take as little as ten minutes.  During the day, I do like to practice phantom limb exercises as I feel my arm reaching for a cup while I have my arm resting.  I can feel my hand grip, but I can't feel the cup.  I tend to sleep from night til morning without interruptions, but I'm willing to get into the habit of waking up just a little earlier to do frequent awakenings.  I don't think I've ever had a lucid dream, but several months ago, I was in a dream where I was flying around and controlling where I flew.  Just flying around and landing on buildings and coherently thinking, but I didn't really think about whether I was in a dream.  Then again, I probably wouldn't.

QuoteOn this board are two good ones to start with: Everything you could want to know about Sleep Paralysis, and personalreality's How I Got Out For The First Time.
I have read the second one a couple of times, but I only gave Sleep Paralysis a curious glance at this time.
QuoteNext, on the third board, Consciousness, you will find Xanth's 60 page Primer and Szaxx's Astral Blueprint; both highly recommended.
I will find this in a minute.

QuotePersonally, I would add that the simplest thing you can begin with is to use simple affirmations every night to remember your dreams and to increase your awareness of your dreams. Think about the awareness or mindset you have had within your dreams. This awareness is the starting-point with which you will develop an OBE or Non-Physical awareness/mindset. Think about the varying levels of this dream awareness you have experienced in the past. This is what you will be working on developing. The level of awareness can be increased equal to your physical awareness and even beyond this in amazing ways! But you have to start somewhere and this is where most of us start. Begin a Dream Diary, write them down; this will show you patterns and themes.
Lots of questions, but I'm not sure what to ask.  Would you mind expanding on some of these points?

EscapeVelocity

#3
Saying that you have many questions, but don't know which to ask, tells me that you need to study more of the various sensations that you may react to and the techniques that may work for you. That's okay, most of us seem to start out this way. As a group of experiencers, we fall into a variety of categories, which is what I hinted at earlier. I have no way of knowing what set of sensations you might respond to or what techniques may offer you progress. The best I might suggest is three simple areas you should explore that should get you started properly.

Meditation -Easy enough, at least initially, depending on how you look at it. Spend twenty minutes a day quietly, keeping quiet that noisy little voice that nags on endlessly in your mind: the monkey chatter. Just notice when it starts up and gently bring it to a halt each time it surfaces. When you get to a few minutes of real solid, silence you will begin to understand the mindset that this practice will help to develop. There's a lot of directions you can take from there, but silence is one of the first.

Dream Diary -Okay you used to have one; start it up again. It will show you patterns and reoccuring themes over time. Plus, it helps train and coordinate the focus of your Non-Physical mind. This works with the meditation. My point here is that you are not working to take your physical consciousness into the Non-Physical (that's incorrectly thinking from a Physical-based perspective); you are going to work to develop your Non-Physical Personality (which you already have a slight idea of, since you have experienced it in dreaming). Maybe it is a merging of the two, but in my experience it seems so difficult to do only from the Physical side.

Affirmations -These are simple, short, positive statements that serve to re-program your subconscious, Inner computer...they provide instructions of what you want to do, what you want to have happen. The old idea of the teacher having you write on the chalkboard a hundred times "Johnny will not talk during class." (although that one contains a negative). Create two or three and use them for a couple weeks, write them down 3 times a day, repeat them silently each night, see what kind of response you get.

"I remember my dreams fully each night."

"I become completely aware and take control of my dreams."

"I want to have an out of body experience and give myself permission to do so."

"I ask my Higher Self permission to have an out of body experience."

Work within these three areas for a few months and then look for what direction may be opening up for you. No matter what technique you finally end up with, sustained effort within these three areas will always serve to reinforce your practice.

Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.
                                                          -O. Wilde

Hfeline

Up until now, my primary mental exercise is to close my eyes, descend 10 steps, inhale fully, hold for 2 seconds and exhale completely.  Let the vision of grated floor with picture window revealing ocean directly below, mountain in the opposite, and sandy beach to the side with forest beyond, as well separating beach from mountain, there is also a rock wall behind observatory.  to the right is a tunnel, and when I touch the door knob, I generally feel vibrations.  I noticed the vibrations before I even started trying to astral project.  I haven't been able to increase the vibrations.  The door leads to a tunnel.  Sometimes I have rope there and sometimes I try flying straight up. 

I will be practicing 'noticing' today.  When I'm confident in my ability in my proficiency, I'll start on the next training.

EscapeVelocity

#5
If the visualizations you are describing lead you to vibrations (which are a great sign of energy body activation and loosening) then You should calmly follow that as far as you can. This process can result in many small, seemingly frustratingly steps, so don't get discouraged. It may involve a process of not just figuring out the way to get to an OBE, but also the permission-giving process that needs to happen at a very subconscious level.

Another visualization or Rundown that you might consider would involve rhythmic movement of various types: dancing or ballet, trampoline or gymnastics, surfing, skiing, snowboarding...any kind of exercise that involves side to side or up and down movement...it's all about waking up your energetic body and finding what gets it to move...eventually you will find some movement that catches your energetic body's attention and you can then separate, or you go a bit farther and get a full phasing projection.

Some ideas.
Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.
                                                          -O. Wilde

Hfeline

On occasion, I've enjoyed relaxing while the waves push me back and forth.  This visualization I created based on some of the exercised from the book I mentioned.  Psychic Development for Beginners by Hewitt.  One of them is walking down steps to get to a deeper psychic level.  I go there to do my exercises.  Writing on chalkboard, visualizing my name being sky written, and letting flow away.  Visualizing my body for the purpose of calling out to others.  It overlooks the sea and a beach, and a mountain, which come from his beach of time and mountain exercise.  I won't deny that I've often thought that I was close, but up until now, I've not managed to project.  If I get frustrated, I take some time to distance myself and calm down.

Btw, the sources I've read have stated that it is better to attempt to project in the morning.  What's your opinion?  Does it matter?

I made a few attempts.  I was dozing, while making attempt and when I tried to get out, I woke up.  Still in bed in the dark.  It was weeks ago, so I'm not sure if I tried to roll out, but I tried three separate times

EscapeVelocity

#7
What time of day or night to attempt an OBE is not important except in choosing the time when your conscious awareness can more easily disconnect from your physical body and not get dragged down with it as the physical slides off into sleep.

Assuming your daily schedule is roughly the same as most peoples', awakening sometime in the morning, going about your daily routine, then to bed sometime in the evening...many projectors, in their early attempts, will spend an hour or more in the afternoon or early evening trying to get deep enough into trance to achieve a conscious separation; this invariably fails for most people and they become frustrated.

IMO, two big factors are at work here: First, in the afternoon and the early evening people are still too active and too aware to get deep enough into trance and later in the evening they are too physically tired and the result is usually to fall asleep; second, they make the mistake of thinking that they will go deep into trance and consciously separate from their physical. That's like the hardest thing to do and not very likely to happen for the majority of beginners. Most will experience their first separations within a Lucid Dream or on the periphery of sleep, either awakening in the middle of the night, early morning or during a nap, and even then, there will likely be a momentary loss of consciousness during the separation.

All the meditation, visualization and similar trancework is good training but to be really effective for an OBE, it has to be applied at the crucial point in time where there is the proper balance between the energy level of the physical body and the stability of the conscious awareness and that is when the physical body has had SOME rest, say two or three hours, but is still just relaxed enough to slide back off into sleep but without the heavy pull on the awareness that drags it down as well.

So, you can set your alarm to wake you a couple hours earlier than usual a few days each week and try various techniques, or set the alarm to wake you after a few hours in the middle of the night, the Wake, Back To Bed technique. Or, on your day off try taking a mid-day nap. Whichever it is, it's the state of awareness you've been in thousands of times: it's that fuzzy, groggy, semi-awake state. Now you need to start taking advantage of being in that state and explore the opportunity it presents. Call it the Groggy Scale, where 1 is so groggy-light that you are too awake and 10 is groggy-heavy where you will slide off into sleep. You want to aim for the middle of that scale somewhere between 4-7. This is also the time an affirmation to become aware in your dreams can have great effect because if you give up or fall back asleep, the message can often trigger you to come aware within a few minutes.
Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.
                                                          -O. Wilde

Hfeline

I'm working on affirmations to go along with my goals, which to with is to project.  Ultimately, I'd like to be able to use an object to trigger it during the day.  I read about this in one of the guides I picked up.  They have a lucid experience whenever they eat.

But to start:
I am dreaming, and I recall my dreams with total clarity.
I am dreaming, and I know that I am dreaming.

Feel free to pick this apart.  When I achieve this goal, I'll work on a new set.

Lucidityman

Hi

:-)  mine is like your mantra but with modifacations.   Mine is that I count and say "This is a dream" then I go 2 "This is a dream" I added counting because it helped me focus. I like your goals.. I would like to have a obe during the day when the sun is up..LOL  . I don't want to sound mean but I think your mantra is to long. I found that the more simple you keep things the easier it is to reach your goal.

Hfeline

I agree, and that is what I'm trying.  One step at a time, in the simplest manner.  I like to write, so I tend to put more words in whether they are necessary or not.

Maybe, "This is a dream."  then "I remember my dream."

Thanks. 

You know, this may count or it may not.  When I was young, my family would go to the fireworks on 4th of July.  One year, I fell asleep during the show.  The blanket caught fire, but I saw it happen from another blanket, and I argue with my sister, insisting that it was a different family. 

FuzzyQuills

There's a huge thread over here that might help you: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/how_i_got_out_for_the_first_time-t30942.0.html

Not sure how long it's been going on for, but I am trying this method soon! :) (Or, as stated, "not a method" ;))
This world's Captain Falcon; A title I will pass down to a chosen one when I leave this dimension.

Hfeline

I've already read that a time or two.  If it were going to be that easy for me, I probably wouldn't have come here to benefit from other people's experience. 

I was wondering, what should I expect from these affirmation specifically.  I know I'm to expect something, and I can give an example from experience, which is sort of why I'm asking. 

When you load a game onto your computer, if you look into the file, you notice that there are likely hundreds of files, right.  No doubt everyone here is familiar with the different windows settings for a file, thumbnail, icon, and tiles.  If you were to try and pick the column where the set ends, I have a one in three chance with tiles, one in six with thumbnails, and one in ten with icons.  I generally set it at thumbnails, and noticed that for a long while, I would consistently pick the accurate ending column.  Then I said, "this can't be real, can it?"  After a few days of this, my accuracy dropped dramatically.  Obviously, saying, "It's really real, isn't it?" increased my accuracy, though not quite as quickly.  Actually, maybe I should use that as a trigger for speaking my affirmations.  : )

FuzzyQuills

Welp, when I finally head out for the first time, I shall tell my experience here. (Could be VERY SOON, or a year away! ;)) And that way, I would be able to help you a bit more. Good luck! :)

Hopefully I can get out soon as well... :D
This world's Captain Falcon; A title I will pass down to a chosen one when I leave this dimension.

astralm

Quote from: Hfeline on April 10, 2015, 00:15:43
I'm working on affirmations to go along with my goals, which to with is to project.  Ultimately, I'd like to be able to use an object to trigger it during the day.  I read about this in one of the guides I picked up.  They have a lucid experience whenever they eat.

But to start:
I am dreaming, and I recall my dreams with total clarity.
I am dreaming, and I know that I am dreaming.

Feel free to pick this apart.  When I achieve this goal, I'll work on a new set.

I could be reading this wrong but sounds like you are mixing an affirmation and a reality check a little.  If someone uses, say food as in your example, as their trigger they would not normally say an affirmation during that trigger.  An affirmation isn't the best way to trigger lucidity.  You would use a reality check.  So instead of saying I am dreaming, and I recall my ..., you would say am I dreaming?  

Personally I don't use 'am I dreaming?' in my reality checks but instead I ask myself is there any reason this might be a dream?  I then ask myself if I can remember how I got to where I am, I make sure I know my address, and then I look at my hands and see if they look odd at all.  My personal triggers are whenever I flip a light switch (I'm sure everyone I meet thinks I'm OCD as I usually hit them in triplets so on/off/on or off/on/off, get into a car, or hear the hour beep on my watch.  Getting a drink and going to the bathroom are probably two of the more popular ones, though I don't personally use them as triggers.

There is no such thing as a bad affirmation, whatever works for you.  If it was my affirmation though I might reword it a little, 'I am dreaming' is most likely just not a true statement, and if you are dreaming an affirmation probably won't be strong enough in my experience to get you lucid most of the time.  You will just say the affirmation and continue with the dream, that is why a reality check should be very engaging, you must force yourself to look at the world around you and really think about if you are in a dream or not.  Anyways a possible rewording might be

I become Lucid in all my dreams, and I recall my dreams with total clarity.  Something like that.  Or stick with what you have if you like it better.  I would separate my affirmation from my reality check though if you are not doing that already.

Hope you find something in here useful.

Lucidityman


Hfeline

I could be reading this wrong but sounds like you are mixing an affirmation and a reality check a little.  If someone uses, say food as in your example, as their trigger they would not normally say an affirmation during that trigger.  An affirmation isn't the best way to trigger lucidity.  You would use a reality check.  So instead of saying I am dreaming, and I recall my ..., you would say am I dreaming? 

I know the difference between an affirmation and a reality check.  I'm not even that far.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I think it would a prerequisite to actually reach the preliminary goal of having an obe before trying to do the same with a specific trigger during the day.  It is a long term goal. 

As it is, I haven't been using reality checks yet, only affirmations.  I probably should put some thought into what my reality checks will be.  Generally speaking, though, I don't dream every night.  I dreamt last, though I couldn't remember beyond the fact that I was dreaming though.  It's a shame, I really liked that dream. 

I like that.  It's similar to what I have. 
"I become Lucid in all my dreams, and I recall my dreams with total clarity." 

The past few weeks, I've pretty much relaxed, rather than trying every week to get an obe.  I read that it is a good idea to take some time to rest after so many attempts, successful or otherwise, at least for beginners.

astralm

Quote from: Hfeline on April 26, 2015, 23:05:25

I know the difference between an affirmation and a reality check.  I'm not even that far.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I think it would a prerequisite to actually reach the preliminary goal of having an obe before trying to do the same with a specific trigger during the day.  It is a long term goal. 

As it is, I haven't been using reality checks yet, only affirmations.  I probably should put some thought into what my reality checks will be.  Generally speaking, though, I don't dream every night.  I dreamt last, though I couldn't remember beyond the fact that I was dreaming though.  It's a shame, I really liked that dream. 


I don't agree you need to stop just because you have done so many attempts in any set period of time.  If you are feeling overwhelmed by the experiences you are having or just feel like it is wearing on you, or you are feeling fatigued, then yes stop and take a break.  But don't stop just cause you think it is what you should do, at least that is my opinion.

As far as affirmations and reality checks go let me see if this analogy works.  Affirmations develop intent and desire.  It is you saying I want to do this, I am going to do this.  Much the same way a sports player tells themselves they are going to win over and over before a game.  The reality check is the tool with which you accomplish that intent.  If you wanted to play music you fist must develop the desire to learn to play (intent/affirmation).  You then need to pick a musical instrument, or a tool by which you will accomplish that desire (reality check).  You must have them both, the desire to do it, and a way or method in which to do it.  Either one without the other is not very useful.

So I would say yes, if you want to use lucid dreams as your springboard into the world of obe, then you need to do both an affirmation and reality checks each and every day from the start.

Hfeline

Right now, I'm developing habits.  I recite affirmation, at least, ten times before I fall asleep.  I don't seem to have a problem with this. 
I'm trying to develop a habit of performing a reality check every time I change location.  Go to work, reality check.  Come home, RC.  Brush Teeth, RC.  Go to Barnes and Noble, RC.  Like that. 
Even so, I haven't really recognized any changes yet.  I'm sure they are there, but I haven't recognized them.

Lucidityman

Hi

To be negative ..ah reality checks won't produce a obe. What they will produce is a lucid dream if you manage to "check reality". From a lucid dream if you don't blow it do to excitement you can obe from it. So what you are doing is good, keep doing it.

I will share with you my reality check. Very simple.. its walking. LOL  During the day I will obviously walk and while walking I asked my self can I float? The answer is always no. During a dream or to check if I am out of body, you will eventually walk and at that time the brain will question if you can float. And you float ...go time.  I use the reality check because its something you do everyday naturally. Teaching the brain were am I now. I am at work. Were am I now.. I am in the driveway.. It works, but the brain likes things simple..LOL

Why not use color instead of brushing teeth check. Instead when you do your reality check observe the color. Most of the time its not brushing teeth that triggers lucidness..its the color of the tooth paste tube. Or you can even go as far as using smell as a reality check.

Hfeline

Smell, huh?  That's an interesting idea. /:)   Since I have a hard time recalling smells, except for a few certain smells at certain times.  I recognize smells, of course.

I think that you misinterpreted what I meant.  I perform reality check when I go to a new location.  Or at least, I'm trying to build a habit there.  Say, I go to the bathroom, I run through my reality check.  Where am I?  How did I get here?  Why am I here?
Though if I were to do a personalized RC, I might say "Can my hand be sword/pen/wing/what have you?"  right now, that would be a 'no'. 

Hfeline

I've noticed that at times, I'll mumble, maybe subconsciously when I dream sometimes, kind of like I'm narrating my dreams.  (I'm a writer, is that a contributing factor?)  I don't always dream either.  It happens some nights and it doesn't others.  I can recall being somewhat aware of the fact that I'm not dreaming too.

When I was a kid, I recall, if only for a short time, that I would repeatedly tell myself to wake up while I was asleep.  Lately, don't seem to remember to try to project when I'm waking up.

What kind of routines do you guys have when you project, or at least try?  And what do you find the most effective?

astralm

@ Hfeline

Quick thing on building the reality check habit.  What is best, in my opinion, is for the reality check to be kind of similar to washing your hands.  What I mean by this is something you don't think about.  So even after you develop a habit for doing a reality check, say in the bathroom, you probably have trained yourself to always have a surface thought of hey lets do a reality check.  This is almost there but not quite.  For a reality check to be really effective you need it to trigger without a surface thought, from a more 'basic' or 'deeper' level of your brain.  Kind of hard to explain but lets say you are having a problem with work or school or a relationship, whatever it may be.  You go to the bathroom and that issue is taking up all your surface thoughts, you are concentrating 100% on it.  Do you still do your reality check in the background, without ever having it triggered by a surface thought?  Or do you miss that reality check.  When you still do the reality check without thinking about it on the surface, this is I feel when the reality check starts to really become effective in triggering LD.

This bring up an interesting point about thought in general.  The washing hands example is not quite the same because you can train yourself to wash your hands without thinking about it, it takes practically no awareness of the act.  In the reality check we still need awareness and thought behind it, just not surface thought.  Without awareness you will just do the reality check in your dream, your hands will melt or become swords or whatever, but you will not analyze this and just go about the dream.  If you remember the dream chances are you will wake up upset you did your reality check but it didn't trigger a LD.

I have been trying to figure out how to describe thoughts that aren't thoughts.  My best example I can up with is this (feel free to let me know anyone if you disagree).  Sit down and clear your mind of surface thoughts.  Now move your hands around, this shouldn't be too hard to do without a surface thought popping up if you do it quickly and have just a little practice with 'clearing your mind'.  What just happened?  You are thinking about moving your hands around, they are not doing it out of habit or randomly, however you never had a surface 'thought' about it.  I may be the only one but I do this sometimes and analyze it just because I find the whole concept of thinking without thinking totally fascinating.  Anyways this I believe it is good to shoot for your reality check to be.  This thought, which isn't mindless auto-pilot, and has awareness, but is done without ever needing any surface thought and indeed can be done while your surface thoughts are completely occupied by something else.

Hfeline

I describe thoughts that aren't thoughts as whispers.

But yes, I understand what you mean, and this all part of getting to a point that allows for an OBE.  I think for me it's a bit harder than for a few others simply because I've always been focused, (as a 3yo, I could focus on a TV show for an hour which isn't always the case) and when I wake up, I can go from 0 to 60 in the blink of an eye.  Though if I'm tired, I'll fall asleep without waking up enough to prepare for an OBE attempt, though that isn't that unexpected. 

Trepkos

Quote from: Hfeline on April 01, 2015, 19:33:41
As far as meditation goes, I'm not really sure how to do it. 

Meditation is about controlling your thoughts. You have to focus on nothing. If a thought enters your mind, dismiss it. You will find that the practice is "difficult". In the beginning, there will always be a thought that re-enters your mind. In time, the process of transferring your consciousness from the state of thought to a state of nothingness will become automatic and you will be able to induce sleep paralysis, which is a state where your consciousness is polarized in your energy body. It is the process of transference to nothingness which is important, not the state of nothingness itself. So from this you can deduce that it is a good thing that thoughts re-enter your mind, so you will be able to repeat the process of transference as you learn. So you see, "difficult" is only a limiting concept.

Quote from: Hfeline on April 01, 2015, 19:33:41During the day, I do like to practice phantom limb exercises as I feel my arm reaching for a cup while I have my arm resting.

If you do this, you have to consider all body parts. What happens is that your consciousness energizes that part of your body to a degree. It makes the energy body "more existent". If you only do this for one body part, then when you eventually will get out of body you get stuck with one part out of body and the other not. You probably have heard this when reading about OBEs, that people get stuck at certain body parts.