Hahahaha [:D] well, thank you Sinestro. So what is your point?
Nay
Just a tip: When you're on an internet forum and you want to start a debate or share information that you received, politeness goes a long way, as do links to facts and articles that readers can reference.
Otherwise everyone will be forced to assume that you're just an ignorant little troll with ego issues (i.e. you have nothing better to do but waste time on the internet rudely telling perfect strangers how wrong their beliefs are, which begs the question of which of your insecurities prompts you to get so uptight about people who don't share your opinions) and you will be subject to ridicule or simply ignored. And I'm sure you don't want perpetuate that impression, so perhaps you want to try your post again?
Ok Nay I will take your comment of lightening up on the forum into consideration. Nay, can I ask you a question and would you be honest with me if I asked you? My question is what made you believe in OBE's, and when did you have or experience your first OBE? Could you give me perhaps a detailed description of how you had your first OBE and what it was like? Now I do not know if OBE's are real or not, but they very well could be because I saw this old TV show called Beyond Belief, it is a show were they will show you stories of events and such, and then at the end of the show you a have to guess or not they are fact or fiction. They re-show all of the stories and tell you which ones are fact and which are fiction. Now there was this one on there about a OBE and this lady in dream, dreamed of this house and in her dream she walked around in the house and knew every place in the house. Her husband and her were looking to move into a house and after looking for a couple of weeks, the lady who had the dream about that house in her dreams, she finally found it. They were the first people to lay money on it, and of course they got the house and the lady who was selling the house said, there is one thing that I have to tell you about the house, it is haunted, and then the homeowner looked at the lady who had dreamed of the house and she said, You, you are the one haunting this house you are the one who has been here every night wandering around the house. The lady told her that I dreamed of this house in my dream. Well the story turned out to be a true story so they after all OBE's could be real. If you like you can visit the site here:http://www.scifi.com/beyondbelief/ Some of the stuff on this show amazes even me. I also watch another show that has alot of researchers on it, researching things that are of the Unexplained. It is called Unexplained Mysteries, you can visit them here:http://www.unexplainedmysteriestv.com/ I recommend you visiting that site Nay, or even that you watch one or two episodes of it, it is quite good, I watch it every night on Saturday from 11:30 to 12:30.
...And here I thought electrodes attached to the brain only allowed dancing. [:D]
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Well scientist have already triggered a OBE, by using electrodes to stimulate a portion of the right side of the brain.
Cool, now get them to put your brain back!
Could you tell what was going on outside the room while the nasty scientists were doing this to you? [;)]
Sinestro, I looked at one of your other posts where you said you didn't believe in lucid dreams either. That makes you something of a flat-earther around here!
Not long ago, many scientists would have agreed with you, despite many people claiming they had lucid dreams. That's no longer the case largely thanks to the research by Stephen LaBerge.
You can find his research article here:
http://www.lucidity.com/
You are obviously interested enough to post here, so if you believe scientific enquiry is important why don't you conduct an experiment of your own? Buy LaBerge's book 'Exploring the world of lucid dreaming', and try the techniques he presents for inducing lucid dreams for a couple of months. (Lucid dreams are easier than OBEs.)
If nothing happens, you still can't conclude lucid dreams don't exist. But if you have just one lucid dream, it will be an amazing experience for you and it will perhaps broaden your horizons so that you will accept that maybe even OBEs are possible.
Sinestro,
It sounds like the TV shows you mentioned gave you an introduction to the idea of OBEs. It's best to be a bit skeptical of TV shows, since they are mostly geared towards ratings and don't have qualms about stretching the truth to get a better story.
Now that you know about OBEs, try researching it on your own. You can read a scientific journal about it and see what the biological explanations are. Then you can try a book by a well-known astral projection author like Bob Monroe or Robert Bruce and see what other explanations are, and maybe try projecting yourself for a few months and see what happens.
Other people's research and opinions can help you make sense of things, but the aonly way to know for sure is to try it for yourself and not allow other people to tell you how to think.
Tell me Naiad780, have you had a OBE? How real do they seem, are they as real as a false awakening? I have had a false awakeing, only once, and it seem real to me. Does anyone on this forum have any info or techniques that I can use to help me try to have a OBE or a Lucid Dream?
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Does anyone on this forum have any info or techniques that I can use to help me try to have a OBE or a Lucid Dream?
Look around.. theres plenty.
I would go into the questions you have asked but to be honest I've done that been there already, I'm not really into making you believe so perhaps you can just look back on some of my old posts.[:D]
Please have a look at our permanent astral topics found here.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=44
I think you will find some interesting stuff. And thanks for trying to be a little bit more kind in your posts, I appreciate that. [^]
Nay
So Nay, in this Astral World or whatever you want to call it, can you met others in it like say for example You or even others on this forum, or is that not possible?
A very common question, and the answer is yes. [:D]
If you go look at some of the threads that I gave you a link to, you will find alot of the answers there. Another thread to look at is...
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=43
Have a look at the two sticky topics.
Enjoy.
Nay [;)]
Some say it is. I have never projected either Sinestro... though I must admit I havent been trying too hard (read at all). I have mostly just been reading everything I can on it.
I for one think we have a soul and that projection is possible. I try not to deny any theory based on current societal and scientific conventions because... the world turned out to be round and we go 'round the sun, you know?
Skepticism is good. It makes you question but don't take it to an extreme. The only way to find out the truth is try it for yourself... do your own research and find out what your own reality is.
I might also suggest the book "The Holographic Universe" which is an interesting read that discusses a scientific theory (quantum physicis) that may explain why OBE's are possible or ESP or ghosts or many other phenomena... if you are of a more scientific mind.
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Tell me Naiad780, have you had a OBE? How real do they seem, are they as real as a false awakening? I have had a false awakeing, only once, and it seem real to me. Does anyone on this forum have any info or techniques that I can use to help me try to have a OBE or a Lucid Dream?
I have had a few short OBEs and one of my goals is to increase the frequency and duration of them. They seem as real as everyday life, and not at all like a dream. They can be very disorienting if they are spontaneous, like mine usually are, but they are also exhilerating because you are suddenly *somewhere else* or hovering outside your body.
Yes, a false awakening is actually a precursor to OBEs and lucid dreams, so you already have taken a step there.
I have a lot of lucid dreams--I think they're easier to achieve than OBEs. Check out www.lucidity.com for more information, or http://www.consciousdreaming.com/lucid-dreaming/ (this guy has an excellent guide to lucid dreaming). My favorite technique is the Wake-Back-to-Bed method, detailed at http://www.consciousdreaming.com/lucid-dreaming/best-lucid-dream-methods.htm. Because your body is still tired but your mind is relatively awake and thinking about lucid dreams, this is a great way to increase your chances of lucid dreams.
As for OBE techniques, check out Robert Bruce's book "Astral Dymnamics" for a plethora of techniques. The methods that seem to work best for me are the NEW techniques. If you go to the downloads section here (or maybe it's Articles on the main page) you can read the abbreviated version of how to do NEW, although I think the book's version is much better. It does require patience since you aren't going to get instant results, but it works for me. The idea is to do the NEW meditations, and then try an exit-the-body technique detailed in the book. Sometimes I find that I lift out of my body just with NEW, though.
Good luck.
Sorry Sinestro, I've thought you are some master joker in action. I hope you find what you are loking for.
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The most compelling experience I've read is from the dreamofpeace.net people. It was a while ago and their site has changed dramatically, but two members planned a meet-up. One had a dream where he spoke to a small dog about the experience of dreams and the other dreamt that he was very small and was talking to a taller (normal sized) person about very similar topics.
The consensus among the net seems to be that experiences can definitely coincide with one another (with differing opinions on why or how), and that the content and imagery is anthropomorphized subjectively according the dreamer. Since there appears to be different amounts of objectivity (read "authenticity") in OBE meet-ups, most have attributed the level of objective experience to skill. However, even for the skilled, such experiences are rare and difficult.
OBE's are a puzzle, just like dreams, just like lucid dreaming, just like other paranormal experiences, just like life itself - for the moment, their explanations rest on a great deal of faith, even the one's derived from laboratory experiments. Yeah, we can activate a kind of OBE with electrodes to the brain, but that doesn't add or subtract from the usefulness of the experience - right now it just makes us feel like there's life after death (something most of humanity believed anyway) and appeals to our sense of wonder and mystery.
Nay, what are your OBE meet-ups like? (All those threads in API are filled with "I can't wait" and "I hope" and "I'm trying" and experiences preempted with "Maybe it was just a lucid dream?")
You people still think that you can travel outside of your body and go to distant place and such. Well scientist have already triggered a OBE, by using electrodes to stimulate a portion of the right side of the brain.