Obe with card verification

[justin35ll]

Hello everyone I thought I'd share my experience from this morning. I'm going to mostly skip over the obe since nothing of great significance happened during it and I'd rather just tell my card verification experience.

1/3/14
OBE #57 RTZ, WBTB, Phase method
   Before going to sleep last night I had a great feeling that I was going to have an OBE this morning. I went to sleep and woke up around 10am not remembering that I had that feeling last night. I called my cat to come lay on my bed and cuddle, but she didn't come over and I was experiencing a feeling of drowsiness so I decided to lay back down and close my eyes. Within a few minutes I was seeing some vague imagery behind my closed eyes. I stretched my arms out and I rolled my body over to the left, but something felt different. It was heavy and slow motion and I was still looking at the blackness behind my closed eyes, but I thought I had moved physically. Next thing I know I'm staring at my ceiling about a foot away from it. My vision went back to blackness and I realized I was obe and I didn't want the experience to end so I started to imagine I was walking down my hallway and feeling the walls with both my hands as I did. I grabbed onto the cool, metal, railing as I walked past the stair case. Once I got to my living room I slowly opened my NPMR eyes and had great vision of where I was standing and now fully phased in that reality.
   I did a few awareness boosters by looking at my hands and telling myself I was OBE in the nonphysical. I remembered I wanted to check the card that I placed on a shelf in the living room so I walked over to it and reached up and grabbed the card. The first card I saw was a black 4 of spades. I noticed I was holding about 3 or 4 cards so I placed them back on the shelf and then tried to only grab one. I grabbed about 3 or 4 again, but the card on top was a black 4 of spades again. I thought that was good enough so I put the cards down and proceeded with the rest of my OBE.
   
   When I woke up I went to the living room and reached on top of the shelf. I didn't feel a card so I took a look and there was no card there. The shelf looked like it was recently dusted off so I thought maybe one of my parents found it and moved the card. I was a little disappointed and I don't actually remember how long ago I placed the card there. I decided I would count the cards from the deck and whichever one was missing maybe that would be the card. I grabbed the deck of cards and flipped it over to see the faces and first one on top was the black 4 of spades.
    It's not the best verification, but I think it speaks for itself that there was some level of verification there. I know I probably shouldn't be focusing on trying to prove the existence of the NPMR this way, but I find it a fun experiment to play with

Thanks for reading and any feedback is appreciated  

[Volgerle]

Congrats, well done!

The black spades seems to bring luck to projectors, for me it was a 9 of spades back then.

[Klaxen_2008]

This is good although something always confuses me with verification RTZ experiments. Why is it that one is able to pick up or handle these verification objects such as card etc. If a RTZ is really a RTZ then a person who is out of their body should be in 'ghost form' so to speak and not have the ability to touch or handle any seemingly RTZ objects such as cards or whatnot. How is this possible?
I hoping someone else can answer this.

I not trying to rain on your parade or anything but this is something that bugs me a little. It convinces me more that the supposed RTZ is nothing more than a psychological hallucination which includes the illusion of touching and handling things. This account is still interesting though.

[justin35ll]

I'm not sure exactly what you mean Klaxen, but I'm just gonna say this.
I obviously picked up and saw the correct card in the RTZ that was actually on the top of the deck of cards in the physical. But in the physical, the card wasn't actually where I found it in the nonphysical.
The deck of cards was on a shelf in my room, but I saw this card on a shelf in my living room in the nonphysical. (because that's where I thought I had placed a card) but when I woke up I realized nothing was there.
So even though I wasn't in the correct location in the RTZ, I was still open and accepting to the information of the correct card. Maybe because I had a strong belief that the card was actually on the shelf in the livingroom so I was able to access the correct info.

Not sure if that will help or confuse you more haha, but thought I'd mention it

[DanishGuy]

I'm not sure exactly what you mean Klaxen, but I'm just gonna say this.
I obviously picked up and saw the correct card in the RTZ that was actually on the top of the deck of cards in the physical. But in the physical, the card wasn't actually where I found it in the nonphysical.
The deck of cards was on a shelf in my room, but I saw this card on a shelf in my living room in the nonphysical. (because that's where I thought I had placed a card) but when I woke up I realized nothing was there.
So even though I wasn't in the correct location in the RTZ, I was still open and accepting to the information of the correct card. Maybe because I had a strong belief that the card was actually on the shelf in the livingroom so I was able to access the correct info.

Not sure if that will help or confuse you more haha, but thought I'd mention it

I think that Klaxen mean, that you should not be able to pick up a physical object like a card while in the OBE state, because you have no physical hand/fingers to pick it up. But then again you did not pick the physical set of cards, but something like a copy of them. Is there anyone that can explain how this works? - it sounds interesting.

[Volgerle]

I think that Klaxen mean, that you should not be able to pick up a physical object like a card while in the OBE state, because you have no physical hand/fingers to pick it up. But then again you did not pick the physical set of cards, but something like a copy of them. Is there anyone that can explain how this works? - it sounds interesting.

The RTZ (physical plane) and the Astral (the personal and collective realm of our thoughts, emotions and desires) overlap. That might be the reason.

This means: Your thoughts are thought forms you make visible and they become instantly intermingled with the data stream you can get out of the physical at the same time. This is what makes verifications difficult, although it is still possible if one learns to focus and 'sort it out'.

It is also called 'reality fluctuations' by Robert Bruce. Jürgen Ziewe, who also was on this forum and is a book author on OBEs, explains this with a nice metaphor here:

http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Mechanics_of_Out-of-body_travel.html

The greatest criticism Out-Of-Body travellers face from skeptics is the fact that they are unable to supply proof of their OBE excursions, for example by reading messages out of sight from physical view or information from remote locations. The reason for this becomes obvious if we look at the diagram 1 of the sea shell. The shell represents the physical body and the seabed the physical world. The air bubble represents the projected subtle energy body and the area above the sea the higher dimensional counter part. As the OBE body is composed of the energy of the higher dimension its natural attraction is towards it and it passes very quickly from one dimension to the next, like an air bubble would find the quickest way to the surface and into the air.

It is relatively rare for the energy body to remain for any length of time on the physical level. I can count on one hand the number of times I was able to look at my physical body from the outside. OBE travellers often report discomfort whilst still on the physical level or a strong pull either towards it or away from it.

Countless validations from NDEs and OBES and Remote Viewing prove: it is feasible - but also difficult. In APs, you have to be a skilled RTZ-projector. Sylvan Muldoon (classical book author on OBE) was one because he had only RTZ-OBEs and no astral plane visits at all and did lots of validations.

[Re]

What the OP describes sounds very much like remote viewing to me, except embedded inside of a dream/projection, which is really cool. You had a vision of your future there, only that future was caused by having the vision in the first place, so not very useful. Still cool though.