Obes's suddenly stopped

[kelsie900]

Hi, i posted loads earlier this year on the sleep paralysis and obes i was having, i got very used to them, they happened all the time. They all started maybe august 2010 and continued through till Febuary ( i think ) sometimes i'd get them 3 to 4 times a night. Anyway they have stopped completely! nothing in my life has really changed.
When i started getting them i was very scared hence why i joined this site to get some reassurance and feel less alone and by the time i was having my last experiences they were something i'd look forward too , they were very peaceful and the very last one i had i came into contact with was what i thought was a guide and it was the nicest experience, but then after that it all kinda stopped.

Just wondering what they were there for, i didn't induce any of it , i was pulled into my 1st by some invisible force .
The only explanation i can think of is i was having a very bad time with life last summer i guess a little while before it started happening and i wasn't that happy at all and i'm much better now so maybe i was recieving some help.

If anyone has any ideas let me know, i don't mind that i don't have them anymore i just feel very lucky to of experienced what i did at all. I only have lucid dreams now which i know are similar but i am no longer aware of getting there like i was before .

Thanks peeps x

[Alex-Anderson]

Hey there Kelsie

My OBEs gradually developed over a slow period of several years and remained then somewhat infrequent - say one or two year. Eventually I was having up to several a week and began to master controlling the experience with greater clarity.

Then all of a sudden it stopped. It had been up to six months or more and only last night I had another OBE (very strange as well, managed to travel back in time), however it felt good again to be back in that zone.

So why did it stop for me, well I'm not too sure. I do know that I sort of relied on them happening naturally, but my instincts tell me if I want them to happen regularly then I need to educate myself more on the subject and perhaps even investigate self induced methods.

In terms of asking yourself what does all this mean and why has it abruptly stopped, I did find that over analysation perhaps had a negative or suppressing impact on my creativity. I had a tendency to over analyse right before bed which I think clouded my thoughts, but I did find writing at chosen times more helpful than the continuous brain chatter.

I'm confident it will happen again, simply because you are questioning why has it stopped. I would suggest not to worry about it and maybe grab a few good books to read on the subject, maybe in filling this void that has been created. That way you can keep your imagination fresh and active hopefully triggering an OBE at some point.

[Greytraveller]

Greetings Kelsie
Even the most skilled projectors can have a 'dry spell'. It seems to happen to just about everybody. I only had one OBE over a two year period (about 7 or 8 years ago).
You Can induce OBEs through lucid dreams. This is one of the more effective methods. I can do this on occasion.
Anyway try to remain positive. 

Cheers
Grey

[ka0s]

the insights given are quite accurate. The best thing I can say is it has to do with active practice. 2 years ago or so I could have anywhere from 3-10 a week. Some mornings I could actively project 3-4 times (with each becoming a little more fuzzy). I was very active with my research and self-development. Lately I have been so busy I have not been able to have willful projections. I seem to go through this dry spell for about a year or two and then they come back full swing. I think a lot of it just has to do with inner will and what you want the experiences to be.

[kelsie900]

Thankyou all for your input.  i will defo have a look on the book recommendations x

[David Warner]

Kelsie,

I am a avid projector since 1987 and had had dry spells, but only lasted a month at the most. I have been pretty much consistent and relaxed lately in the last couple of years still projecting but not at the level I would like to be at. At least once a week, I will project and I am content, but when I am on fire and focused it is 2-3 OBEs weekly. It also depends on what is going on in your life that the physical takes away that focus.

What I am getting at is this: casual projecting w/o intent will get you no where. Many people fall into this trap and expect the OBE will happen naturally. It all takes time, patience and having a goal, desire for (wanting to project not expecting).

Please look at putting a goal out there for you to achieve, a realistic and obtainable goal. I would only focus on that one goal and not inundate yourself with multiple goals. If you have to write your goal down daily, tape it on the wall with paper, email yourself, text, what ever.. This will get you back on track and focused bringing the OBEs to return.

Good Luck,

DW

[Lizelle]

I hear what you're saying. I had just a few tantalizing experiences - following suggestions found here, getting past fear, moving right along nicely - then recently there's been nothing. 

I was feeling that a whole other world had opened up to me, and it was SO exciting. But now it's like the door has shut, or that I have to meditate every day for a year just to get back to where I was?!!

I'm not quite stressing that much... but if it continues to be impossible, I will be sad indeed.

[David Warner]

Lizelle,

You will run into those scary experiences and it will definitely leave an impressionable scare. However, I can reassure that like anything in life - gotta take the good with the bad. Not all OBE experiences will be beautiful rainbows and happy times.

I have had experiences where I honestly NEVER wanted to go back to sleep. Either from being attacked, shot point range in the chest, entity sticking its razor sharp tree limbs into me. Pushed down to the floor and couldn't move with a evil force. Having a woman stab me to death, and the worse was being burned by a fire breathing dragon pinned between two cars. Was this enough to question continence "ahh yah" but from all the other beautiful experiences that out weight the negative, it wasn't a deciding factor to throw it all away.

Folks - ya gotta take the good with the bad. Average of positive beautiful experiences are as followed:

Good - 98%
Bad - 2%
Decision - continue. This is after 20 + years of projecting.

DW

[Lizelle]

Thanks, David. Actually I've had no bad experiences. The fear I mentioned was just the pre- sleep paralysis weirdness - a creepy sense of "something" being in the room or actually pulling on my hand or leg. It felt 100% real, even though I knew rationally that it was some kind of hallucination. Other episodes were more benign (e.g. seeing somebody who wasn't there), but even the scariest auras were not monsters or like anything you describe. This could be because I'm a pretty light sleeper & never let the paralysis fully take hold. And I'm just not prone to nightmares in general.

All this was more of an annoyance than anything else, and if it got scary enough I'd make it stop by turning on my side. Problem solved.

It was several years before I stumbled across information on sleep paralysis and then OBEs. That's when I decided that fear or no fear, I would allow the process to proceed. Got my first vibrations (that was quite a surprise!). After a bit more reading I was able to separate a few times & explore a little before exiting into a lucid dream.

The good news is the creepy auras have stopped, apparently. The bad news is that all the SP episodes have stopped also. I've been able to induce vibrations myself once or twice, but it's less effective.

Anyway, that's all I meant by fear. I'm naive enough to think that all projections will be good projections! I don't believe in evil spirits (do I?).

As an aside, my one experience with psychedelic mushrooms taught me to a large extent you do create your own reality. My trip was a bit on the unpleasant side until I heard other people laughing nearby (we were camping) and it occurred to me that since thoughts were becoming reality, I should go be with the fun happy people. It worked like a charm. Good life lesson!

[David Warner]

Lizelle,

Next time, just set up a video camera in your room while you experience the SP, OBE sensations. You will see that there is no scary monster, aura weird looking entities. I do agree it is scary in the beginning but once you get past those imaginary voices that trick you - its all yours.

Drugs + OBEs = lack of experiences. I have done both in the past and only conclusion I can draw is that you need to be at all mental facilities to control the OBE and have a better experience. This is just not with one drug, but every drug that is out there from alcohol to tylnol pm, or mushrooms. To be really on the ball when it comes to projecting, it takes a lot of mental discipline.

So my advice - give me all your mushrooms and start focusing on projecting clean..: )

DW

[Lizelle]

David, I think you misunderstood, or I wasn't clear. The mushroom thing was over 15 years ago and had nothing to do with my AP work of the six months. I only meant to explain how I first began to realize that one's thoughts affect reality, to some extent.

Regarding monster/demons - I DON'T see them, they are NOT my problem and never were. I did have 'sleep paralysis' type events which would usually take one of two forms:
1) relatively benign and often indistinguishable from ordinary reality
2) best described as 'unsettling'

It is unsettling to feel something pulling on your leg, or to hear a strange noise getting closer. Although I KNEW it was not real, it was still bothersome enough. A movement would stop it, temporarily - so I kept moving, and it kept coming back, until I either rolled over or the episode just ended on its own.

The suggestion to "just let it happen" was at first easier said than done, but I wanted to explore OBEs. So I stopped trying to chase it away and presto! Vibrations, etc.

I truly feel bad for people who do get these horrible apparitions. I'm unclear whether this is primarily caused by their expections, or are the actions of an independent entity, or perhaps something else.

[Alex-Anderson]

I truly feel bad for people who do get these horrible apparitions. I'm unclear whether this is primarily caused by their expections, or are the actions of an independent entity, or perhaps something else.

I have had a mixture of both, some I feel was within my control (I could make them disappear and be on my way) while others definitely had a form of intelligence with an agenda/objective of some sort.

I have found with certain encounters that 'they' do not like my interaction or curiosity with an environment that I feel could be territorial.

[David Warner]

Lizelle,

Thanks for explaining it better.

I agree with the voices, weird sensations - it can be scary and even still after so many years doing this. It does catch me off guard at times. I think for the most part is just remaining calm, try to relax and understand that this is part of the package deal when moving between the physical into the astral body. Easy as said than done, but it is the truth - have to take a little weird feelings at first to get to paradise.

DW

[Lionheart]

 Alot of time when you experience a strange feeling, cool breeze or touch on your skin, it is your own fear that makes the experience go into overdrive. I have learned that you really need to have a mind set of anything can happen here, now I just observe and think to myself "that was interesting". Then, when I am done my session I immediately write about what just occured.

[kelsie900]

Thankyou for all the input guys , so its not just me then. I can relate to all the scary entity beings and stuff. I was so terrified when i first started having sleep paralysis, would try to stay awake all night to avoid it but that just made it worse. So weird to think it went from being the scariest thing i've ever experienced to something completely beautiful and peaceful. Guess it taught me a few lessons in my life i think i don't get so nervous about stuff now. I was suffering with pretty severe anxiety before all this started happening , and now i'm so care free i can't help but think i was being helped along a little bit. And interestingly i felt a few weeks ago that the sleep paralysis was returning, it was very brief but its a first in a while so maybe just coming bk to this site and talking about it is enough.

Hope to be back an able to share more experiences soon .

[Lizelle]

So weird to think it went from being the scariest thing i've ever experienced to something completely beautiful and peaceful. Guess it taught me a few lessons in my life i think i don't get so nervous about stuff now.

That's rather how I feel. What started out as "annoying" (sleep paralysis) has opened up new worlds. I don't get too involved in levels or focuses, but it's teaching me lessons each time!

I've been having a dry spell but last night I got out for a short while, at least. The problem is that I was convinced I was actually sitting up physically (which seems to happen often) - I still felt halfway physical. So I lay back (what was now a 45 degree angle fom my usual position) and found myself lying next to my estranged husband. He doesn't live here anymore. It became a dream at that point. But I'm getting better at sensing the right time to try. Maybe next time I won't assume defeat so quickly!