Hmmm...maybe. You'd have to be pretty careful to not make it look scarier than it is and leaving a fearful taste in people's mouths.
I think it would taint the subject...and to be a "blockbuster" would mean to twist the truth to a lie..
If it comes out though, I will see it!
Hi guys, although I would love to see a movie directly related
to OOBE,s, I fear that it will be a long way off though, as public
perception is still very touchy on this matter.It is Eastern
religions like Hinduism & Buddhism that first,(well not 1st)
introduced the idea of Astral bodies,silver cords, chakras,meridians,
Kundalini & energy channels in their religous teachings.
So a lot of people are "blending" together what they know or are
taught & other concepts they find that makes sense.
Have any of you guys in the USA seen "dragonfly" or "k-pax" yet?
I,ve heard it mentioned on other OBE forums & cant wait till they
come out here.Another movie that is not quite OBE but has
excellent concepts is "what dreams may come?", I related well to that
movie.
But any OBE movie, I would see, even if it was B grade or had
Russell Crowe or Tom Hanks in it,hehe.
All the best on your journeys
Mobius
Hehe...WDMC...couldn't sit through a Robin Williams movie.
It wouldn't be a money maker. The major studios wouldn't put up the cash or the best writers, and forget any glossy special effects, we would all be dissapointed.
I would like to see Robert A. Monroe's books put into a movie, I think the hint of life after death would attract many viewers. And change the views of alot of close minded people. The focus of the movie could be, the many different astral planes and the people whom reside there. And the amazing reason for us being in human existance on earth and how it was created in steps.
And then watch all the religious people protest the movie!! ha ha ha
Im pretty sure William Buhlman has something on the go with a movie.I'd heard about it being in the works a few years ago and again just recently read it somewhere.Did it fall through or is it still on the go?????????? I do'nt know.
I heard Shirly McClaine gave a brief spotlight on the subject in one of her flicks and thats about it as to my knowledge for the movie scene.
Sooner or later im sure someone out there will capitolize on it.Its a subject that more & more people are becoming familar with.
Lets just hope who ever writes the script for a movie on o.b.e only goes to Hollywood as a LAST resort.
P.S i've never heard of Dragonfly or K-Pak.I'll have to investigate!
Peace,Andy :)
Now, now, NF, I consider myself a fairly religious man.

Yet there is nothing unholy or bad about using what God gave us as part of us.
I think if it was a good story it wouldn't matter. You could have a projector taking on an army of neg's lead by maybe a demon or arch-demon bent on creating world chaos or something. Throw in a spirit giude and some astral entity comic relief and I think we have a blockbuster! taaa!!
-Nate
I'm not so sure, bro, I think that en evil army of negs and a battle with an arch-demon would put the scare into alot of people. I wouldn't want my second experience to be taking on an army of spiritual warriors.
Yes Roger,we know this...
I meant those groups that always whoop and holler over the smallest religious overtones, they might consider that an OBE", is reserved only for saints or the like. Trying to keep us in the stoneage", as far as enlightenment goes. They never taught me in church that you could leave your body at will! But which church would? Sorry, I don't know where I'm going with this so I'll stop....
Now a Ouija board on the other hand...that's something I'd never touch.
Hehe...just had a funny thought:
'Astral Dynamics: The Motion Picture'
*sigh*
I can only imagine what would happen on this little plane...you'd be surprised at where a lot of movies get their 'inspiration' from. And how do you really know what is fiction/truth? I still don't think we are at a point where the mainstream catt-, er..public would fully grasp/accept the concept of OOBE.
*shrug*
Jason
How about "Crocodile Dundee meets Astral Joe"..haha... I think NDE's would attract mainstream interest.. whenever I talk to someone about my astral journies I always get that "blank stare.. your'e mentally sick" look.
Hi again, just remembered another movie, back in the 70,s there
was "Altered States" which was pretty much an OBE movie,well close.
your journeys, all the best.
Mobius
Well you'd need some sort of overall conflict and villain. I don't think anyone would want to see a movie where a guy spends two hours mediating.
Not necessarily. In fiction, you need "conflict" such as man vs. man, man vs. nature, man vs. himself, etc. It could simply be a "man vs. himself" mode story. The main character could with the aid of a mentor or wise person, seek to overcome his own fears and self doubt. Oddly enough, those type of stories are typical of the "romantic" era...
It would be hard to make a movie on OBE's without discracing the subject. IMO the idea of a "battle with negs" only makes it worse. The movie "the Golden Child" with Eddie Murphy has a lot of refference to the astral and projection.
"Look within, thou art the Budda"
I agree that it would be very hard to not sensationalize or unnecessarily horrify the viewer. But, if done in a very realistic way that showed the protagonist's spiritual development and the benefits he gleaned from the practice, it could be a valuable learning tool.
It would indeed be very difficult to "sell" such a proposition to the MTV quick-cut generation and keep their interest without battles and laser swords. The very personal, subjective and introspective nature of spiritual development can only be hinted at through external clues. That is, without resorting to millions of dollars of SFX.
Edited by - Roger on 21 March 2002 21:21:22
It's funny because I was thinking just this morning how I would go about putting the exit sensations on screen. Maybe Hitchcock it a little... do the push/pull effect. Lots of shaking, flashing colors... flash back to the actor, where the screen is shaking like an earthquake, but he's completely still. Lots of roaring noises, then total blackness, then silence...
Nothing like the real thing, but maybe it'd get the idea across.
Then you could have some astral combat scenes with martial arts. That'd sell. Doesn't matter that it's not true... if you want true you'd have to do a documentary, which has been done before, I think.
That is a very good idea...a documentary. I wonder if Robert ever considered doing a video on OBE's. I'd certainly get one.
sd
Zugzug mentioned what I had been thinking for a while, the documentary. "The movies", at least here in America, are no longer- at least for the most part- what most of the original artists of the genre ever intended them to be. After taking a film class a while back at the university, my eyes were truly opened... most films in America are "junk"- I still enjoy a lot of them, but the sensationalization (I know...I made the word up!) of the art has desentitized audiences.
Anyway, a documentary combining the NDE and OBE experience, with accredited doctors, philosophers, scholars and men like Bruce- all sharing their studies, experiments, etc. and then also testimonies from people like US would truly make for a great film. I think it would be revolutionary, at least for those individuals open minded enough... it would require a great director and a certain "detachment" from religions, although a section about how different religions incorporate the phenomena into their belief systems, would be great...
Do you see where I am going with this idea...the only problem is funding/production. If someone were serious enough, however, I would--and I am sure a lot of you would...definetly pitch in. If I were a millionaire I would fund it myself.
Man...I am excited now
Hehe if there should be a movie on obe and exploring the astral planes the special FX should rule along with the story. Too bad that for the masses you 'd have to cut down on the story make it a bit simpler but that is ok.
The special FX should be way better than Star Wars Ep 1. Unless you make it look like the helicopter view scene of Naboo. It would rule like that man :)
U got me enthausiastic ;)
Regards,
Manfred
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You know, where I live, I can rent out film equipment for an incredibly cheap price, and with my background in theatre... well directing wouldn't be a problem. And I've been doing research for years, so research isn't a problem. The only hard thing would be finding those doctors, scholars, etc, who are actually interested in commenting on something like that.
What brain surgeon in his right mind (har har...) would say anything about NDE's or OBE's to an unknown film crew with a camera? Maybe if I got some really, really cute chick to do the interviewing...
lol let's ask Jeri Ryan aka seven of nine to do a low budget thingie :P
Seriously: I think it would be a great idea to make a documentary on obe-s.
Perhaps the concept should be: people like us, who interact in the forums should be interviewed. People who are willing to talk about the social consequences on this topic. With a bit of luck you can also interview people from the Monroe Institute, maybe even Bruce Moen, ofcourse Robert Bruce.
Maybe I can get a hand on the Rijnstate Hospital guy. I live in the same town in Holland.
Hmm well maybe...;)
Regards,
Manfred
Manfred
http://www.astraltravellers.com/
Its quite interesting that I stumble into this little topic because I'm somewhat of an aspiring filmmaker myself. I plan on getting my degree in cinematography and directing. However, I've also written several screenplays and have always wondered about the possibility of an OBE movie. The script would be the most important part. You're right, there HAS to be plot for it to work. It has to have some MEAT to it otherwise it will seriously bomb out at the Box Office.
How about where the protagonist overcomes the mores of a Victorian society in England. It could even be semi-biographical if an appropriate subject comes up. The salient points could be something like:
1) John (the main character) could be raised in a very restrictive and religious household with a domineering mother and a recessive father.
2) He could take up an interest in OBE's and spiritual development.
3) His parents could find out about it and force him to coldy and unimpassionately attend those religious activities at church where he stands in lines and recites things by rote.
4) The priest of the church could also be supportive of him, in secret, but is afraid that his role in the community and church would be compromised were it to be discovered. (the wise mentor role) He could introduce him to studies and text from his seminary days where the bible and other documents seem to support it.
5) And here's the irony: as he develops his skills and becomes more spiritual and exhibits a better attitude, is more helpful, more loving and kind, yet ends up being shunned by society - by the very people who say you should behave that way.
6) We all collect our Oscars for "Best OBE Movie Generated from an Idea Posted on a Forum".

Of course, the story would have to be handled in a subdued manner, with the Victorian mores and settings done in convincing period fashion and the main character must be felt for and sympathized with. This would, by association, make OBE and spiritual development a noble cause by implication.
Oh, and then for Manfred, the climax could be where "John" (everyman) rescues his preacher friend from Nazi Frogmen that shoot lasers from their eyes.
Hi there,
lol @ roger and his comments. I think "John" should be: "Joanne" then you can count me in ;)
What dreams may come was great on the special FX and it shows there is a market for such movies with low on violence.
Maybe we should if there is to be a script...read up on lotsa nde/obe accounts and pick stuff from there and mix it all together to one big gigantic story.
Another idea would be to actually make the obe's look like they are in a virtual reality world. It was very hot back then having Virtual Reality movies. Actually I think they should just make Quantum Leap the movie. Or revive the old series. I loved those shows.
For the vortexes we could use the stuff from Sliders I am sure you know that series. Or use the Star trek beaming systems.
Yeah Robert Zmeckis directing.
Hmm hmm so many idea's.....lol :)
Manfred
http://www.astraltravellers.com/
G,day everyone, for you budding film students,if you intend to make
a documentary style movie you could use some studies performed
by researchers/doctors on NDE,s as the general public can relate
easier to near death experiences as opposed to being fully alive &
inducing an OBE.The most recent study I have seen was the article in
Cosmiverse by Dutch researchers into the "existence of the soul".
If you are serious you could write to these people to gain access
to their information as it wont be seen to be speculation as a lot
of outsiders perceive OBE,s & metaphysics to be.
Heres the link for the dutch study into "Existence of the soul"
http://www.cosmiverse.com/paranormal12120102.html
All the best on your journeys
Mobius
Wow, I cant believe my one little idea could cause such an uproar.... I think ideas are more powerful than I thought they were...
DjMidgetMan
"Mind over Matter"
quote:
Wow, I cant believe my one little idea could cause such an uproar.... I think ideas are more powerful than I thought they were...
Hehe yeh u have been quite inspiritional hehe.
I am seriously surprised to see so many aspiring moviemakers here hehe.
Regards,
Manfred
Manfred
http://www.astraltravellers.com/
Sadly, I have difficulty even unwrapping a new movie from the cellophane, much less making one. But I did start writing notes on an OBE story last night. I think it was serious potential with alot of very nice themes and development in it. :)
How is the script coming along Rog?
Manfred
Manfred
http://www.astraltravellers.com/
It's coming along very very well. Alot of intricate subplots and themes. A very nice beginning and a very surprising ending as well. The beginning is:
'By the sweat of our brows.' I suppose that sums it up. 'By the sweat of our brows and the skin of our teeth.' is more often of the occasion. I hold malice towards no one. A passing stranger might opine that attitude understandable, even warranted, but I can no longer find it in me.
Who am I? I was born in 1911 in the town of Miltown in the state of Georgia. My birth, as if I remember it, was by all accounts difficult. Not just for my mother, but for myself, my father and any neighbor within range of an anguished bellow.
I was named Paul. My mother chose that name ostensibly because it was my father's middle name. But it was a good biblical name as well.
[...and so forth]
The ending will have to remain what I think is a very fun shocker.
What happened to the OOBE Documentary post I had started? I guess they took it down, those tyrants!
I found it, it's on the second page...I guess everyone wants the big American style film. Maybe the character will find a way to kill all of the aliens, save the world and get the girl...all thanks to his ability to project....
Seriously though, I would like to see someone post a plot structure they think would work for this "OBE" movie... I am an opened minded person, but to tell you the truth I still think an OBE movies would do more damage than good. It could be done, but for once I will play the role of the skeptic.
A documentary on the other hand, as many of us have stated previously, would attract those men and women who have spent years, even decades, studying NDE's, OBE's, psi, etc. A film would become a cliche and would probably just make everyone view OBE as just some other imaginary thing that Hollywood dreamt up.
That's my take.
pax
DT
Yep, I agree again Daniel,with the limited budget of the average
person,at best a movie could be made but will probably be compared
with "The Blair Witch Project" .On the other hand no up & coming
film producer/director could expect to get rich off a documentary.
So maybe you could mix the two together?
Blair witch budget & movie jonre(minus the crappy,shaking camera
action) & some elements of truth & facts,documentary style.
Here,s another fact for the editing room,last year was the first
time a remote viewer was documented finding something as hard as a
missing person.It was Joe McMoneagle (ex SRI,military R.V er)
locating a missing woman in Japan for a japanese T.V show.
Not only was he successful,guiding japanese police to her whereabouts,
but he did it from Virginia,USA.
The story is published in Nexus magazine,latest issue & is also on
the Jeff Rense site.
Mobius
Speaking of movies,
One called - 'defending your life' (few years old) with meryle streep and rip torn.
Was so funny, but enlightening.
Worth watching i say.
Ciao. alfa_33au
Hi alfa,whats it mainly about? & Meryle Streep? Not sure if I can
bring myself to do it,maybe if I take some anti nausea tabs like
Maxalon I,ll be right,hehe.
Good journeys
Mobius
I understand you Mobius...Meryl is horrible....
Regards,
Manfred
Manfred
http://www.astraltravellers.com/
Hi all,
great idea!
I saw a film in the rack when I went to get a movie out earlier today called something like "psychic killer". The blurb said it was about a bloke who is wrongfully convicted of murder, gets taught to OBE in prison and when he gets let out he uses his new skill to find the people who got him locked away (and presumably the people who actually committed the murder) and starts killing them. The police are left trying to chase an enemy they cannot see (so presumably he does the dirty work while OBE)....deep huh??! I am sure you guys could do a much better job!
Edited by - inguma on 01 April 2002 02:04:33
You mean a better job at tracking and killing people? [;P]
quote:
I saw a film in the rack when I went to get a movie out earlier today called something like "psychic killer". The blurb said it was about a bloke who is wrongfully convicted of murder, gets taught to OBE in prison and when he gets let out he uses his new skill to find the people who got him locked away (and presumably the people who actually committed the murder) and starts killing them. The police are left trying to chase an enemy they cannot see (so presumably he does the dirty work which OBE)....deep huh??! I am sure you guys could do a much better job!
Now OBE is being associated with murdering and revenge...doesn't do the talent credit I find....(I see it as a small offence to my own precious talent to go OB)
Roger let me read the manusscript once it is done man...maybe I can put u up with suggestions or so ;)
Regards,
Manfred
Manfred
http://www.astraltravellers.com/
You got it, Manfred. Could always use a guinea pig.
Tell me you guys arn't serious,I didn't even think of what Inguma
was trying to say in the context you put it in Roger.It wasn't until
you posted that I had to go back & re-read Inguma's post & apply it
to the violent end of the OBE spectrum.
You did see it from the movie making angle first didn't you?
I wonder how much deeper the oceans would be without sponges?
All the best on your journeys
Mobius
Hehe man we serious about this lol :)
Ain't that so Rog?
Hahahaha
Manfred
Manfred
http://www.astraltravellers.com/
quote:
Tell me you guys arn't serious,I didn't even think of what Inguma was trying to say in the context you put it in Roger.It wasn't until you posted that I had to go back & re-read Inguma's post & apply it to the violent end of the OBE spectrum.
(ROFLing madly!)
What I was trying to say????! Not at all! I meant they could make a better movie - not be move efficient killers or make a more bloody film! I am a bit confused now, um, yeah the film I was talking about was someone using OBE for evil purposes, but that sucks, so I got out the 13th Warrior instead
.
Of course the OBEer should be good! Don't want to warp peoples minds - I wonder, did the people who made pyschic killer consider that in depth....?
Edited by - inguma on 03 April 2002 14:50:34
Of course, Manfred and I are going to do the ultimate OBE story. Take the subdued "person against conformity" angle of Chocolat'. Take out Johnny Depp. Move it to Georgia, about 10 years earlier. Make the lead a male instead of a female. Change...
Come to think of it. Chocolat' probably wasn't a very good starting point of comparison.

And yes, we were kidding about the whole "better killers?" comment. Just having a bit of fun at the expense of the language's symantic ambiguity.
Well I didn't believe you guys at first,but when I saw the statement being pursued,I thought no..........surely they are still joking
but a lot of people I've met in the past have read what they want
to read & only one point of view.
Well I'm glad you guys are not as gullible as I feared,looks like I
was,hehe.
Reason no.38 why its better to be a man than a woman.
If a guy shows up at a party in the same outfit,you might become
lifelong friends.Business Trader,july 2001.
Good journeys all
Mobius
It is for hormonal reasons isn't it Rog that we take a woman in the script?
If so then there is no lack of communication between the two of us :P
Regards,
Manfred
Manfred
http://www.astraltravellers.com/
Well, I'm admittedly your typical hormonally-driven guy and, yep, there's a love interest, a sweet innocent and kind woman who he slowly convinces about the nature of his exploration. The storyline needed at least one person that he successfully convinces in the long run to provide contrast to his mother and show an "optimal" route of showing the purity of OBE research.
G,day all,I just read on another forum that one of it's more
experienced OBE,ers has been working on a screenplay for a while now,
so with you guys included we could have a few OBE movies coming
out in the next few years.
You have the right to remain silent,everything you say will be
misquoted & used against you.
Good journeys
Mobius
I had an idea the other day, for making an oobe movie.... Its about a guy who excercises people by having oobes and fighting the negs.... Wouldnt that be cool?? Itd sure attract people(teens definitely) to out of body experiences...
DjMidgetMan
"Mind over Matter"