http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2980578/Scientists-study-out-of-body-experiences.html
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One word - WOW!!!!!
This isn't news, (not just because the article also is from 2008), but it has been done before, e.g. in The Netherlands many years ago. Possibly almost the same method was used as in this article (quote): "The study at 25 UK and US hospitals will include doctors placing images on shelves that are only visible from the ceiling to test the theory."
The problem with this was and is: In an NDE-OBE (which is only ONE part of an NDE!), most people in most of the cases will be completely stressed-out, shocked, disoriented and above all ... also quite OBE-unexperienced.
This will definitely not lead s.o. to get 'on a mission' and be searching specifically for a little image on a shelf or lamp or whatever. You have other problems then! Or: if you experience bliss, peace and happiness (which many do) you will have NO problems then. However, in either case: you will not give a damn about a little image stuck on a shelf. :lol:
Yes, there is some good intention in these kinds of experiment, but still, I believe these doctors and experimenters are very naive. This set-up will lead to nothing (besides happy close-minded skeptics who will claim they knew it all before anyway :wink:).
Well, ... unless it's done like this ...
(http://www.near-death.com/images/graphics/hospital/veridical%20operation%20cartoon/you_are_dead.jpg)
:-D :-D :-D
Volgerle
Yes, great post. Right, just about the LAST thing somebody suffering a life threatening injury or disease is Likely to do upon going out of body in an operating room is look for a number?!? :? :x
So what ARE the people running this experiment thinking of :? Surely they could of thought up a better experiment than this.
And you are also correct in that the OBE is only one part of the total near death experience. They would likely get much better results with this experiment if it was run in a sleep lab or in a psychology department at a university.
And of course the sample size will be so low that skeptics will claim there isn't enough info anyway. So go figure why they bother to run his experiment at all??
Sincerely 8-)
Grey
Certainly does seem like a monumental waste of time.
It is a shame. But the possibility of an afterlife seems strongly evident, especially in those cases where minimal or no brain activity is measured and still the patient report spiritual experiences. What is even more baffling is that despite the brain being on the verge of death, the NDEs reported are often highly defined and display crystal clarity.
NDEs are often characterised by Mode 1 (RTZ) followed by Mode 2 (Astral Projection) in one. It would appear that they are a traumatic entrance into the Phase state. We are very much in need of a scrupulous OOBE investigation where both neurological activity as well as the experiences themselves are considered and treated seriously. Perhaps open-minded physicists such as Campbell should join in as the discovery of an unseen extention of reality may be on the cards.
What do you guys think of the Pam Reynolds case?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNbdUEqDB-k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osfIY4B3y1U&annotation_id=annotation_815715&feature=iv
Quote from: Summerlander on July 08, 2011, 14:16:10
It is a shame. But the possibility of an afterlife seems strongly evident, especially in those cases where minimal or no brain activity is measured and still the patient report spiritual experiences. What is even more baffling is that despite the brain being on the verge of death, the NDEs reported are often highly defined and display crystal clarity.
That's actually part of the problem...
"Minimal Brain Activity" and "No Brain Activity", as you know, are completely different concepts. Most notably, when a doctor proclaims someone "brain dead", that's only by our current medical technological standards of identification of "activity in the brain".
We really have no idea at what point the brain really ceases and the consciousness fully disconnects.
Granted! Btw, check out the second video. I just edited it. She was accurate about what she describes in her NDE while it was still in the Mode 1 phase. By the way, here's a video which supports what you said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-InhxLzORzM&NR=1
"Clinical death"... yeah, our view of death is very limited by our technology right now.
What is interesting is her description of passing through a "black void" before her direct experiences.
I find it interesting their mention of the drugs used during the surgery making her, in *their opinion*, dispassionate to what was happening. This allowed her to, supposedly, view the procedure happening emotionally detached. Assuming this is true, this is a good warning sign for why you shouldn't use drugs to illicit this kind of experience. You want to be in full control of everything.
The rest of the video really does make it quite clear that we really have no idea what being "Brain dead" really means.
Interesting video Summerlander. Thanks. :)
No worries. By the way, this black void before she meets her relatives reminds me of Kepple's Focus Z bridge wherte one can go from Focus 2 to Focus 3. I think it is interesting that many of us have similar experiences. When she describes being drawn to the spec of light, I know exactly what that feels like. 8-)
Definitely similar experiences, but each of us with our own slightly different interpretation of them. It's quite fascinating, I agree. :)