Rope Technique

[Roger]

First off, I agree with you totally as to the value of Robert's
work.  It is the first really valuable no-nonsense and
straightforward guide that I have ever seen or read.  The techniques
he has developed are very logical, well thought out and well
founded in his investigations.  Believe me, they are totally
workable.  I had my very first conscious exit projection a matter
of weeks ago using his techniques step by step.

When I use the rope technique, I am already in a very relaxed state
(very very important), have the thoughts cleared and am very focused.
You will know when you have reached the right state as you will
have strong vibrations and a sense of fluctuations in your whole
body.  It's an amazing feeling.

What happens then is a sensation of a steady pressure over all of
my limbs, chest and head that is pulling me up.  This is usually
accompanied by a hard to describe, almost flickering, sense like
I'm quickly alternating between two places at once.  It was at this
point that about a week ago I was literally able to see through
closed eyelids for the first time!

Unfortunately, that's when I also get some strong heart center
activity which still blows my concentation.  I hope after
confronting this many times, there will be less of an impact.

Once, recently, I had this wild overwhelming pressure, had the
heart center going wild and felt like I was being buffeted by a
thousand sensations at once.  It was kind of overwhelming.  I
succeeded once to retain my focus and continue the rope technique.
The upward pressure continued and I had a sudden...well, expansion
of field-of-view and awareness that must be experienced to believe.

That kind of threw me off my game and I lost focus.  A failed attempt.
Guess my axe still needs alot of sharpening.



Edited by - Roger on 17 March 2002  01:21:09

[Rising Sun]

Quin-Gon (sp?) Wow! I too have had that experience with the rope technique. In fact, I was only a few chapters into the book and pulled open the page that talked about the rope technique and after, literally 10 seconds of picturing my soul-self pulling out on the rope, had a HUGH rush of sensation in my chest/stomach area that literally SCARED THE CRAP out of me. I immediately snapped my eyes open and sat up abruptly. (Fortunately, I didn't wake my sleeping fiance next to me.)My heart was beating rather quickly and it took several moments to relax myself. I am fascinated to know you had the same experience.  I told my fiance about the experience (he humors me god love him, but he may think I am bit wacky) I would love to know if you have experienced this same thing everytime you try...I too was fully awake and had not actually even really completely relaxed...was just curious and innately knew it would work in some way for me. Needless to say, I have been afraid to try it again because it did frighten me somewhat. I wonder if that is normal? I like to think that I fairly advanced in my spiritual studies (having medited on regular basis and working with my chakras for years as well as providing psychic readings, etc. for others...) but this seems like a whole new ballgame for me. Also, I have been told that I was a "time-jumper" in Atlantis and in many lifetimes have traveled "between the worlds" this way, helping people, etc...perhaps you have heard the same? Could this make it easier for me to astral project? (I now know that I have been experiencing waking up during exit for years now, i.e. feeling the vibrations in my body, buzzing sounds, etc...but always thought it was some weird recurring dream of some kind - now I know better) Incidently, I have been unable to overcome my fear of the unkown to get beyond that vibration point...I experience it a lot, and know I have come close to conscious projection (in fact, at times, when I become fearful, it seems I am forcing/willing myself NOT to project)...but still have questions unanswered that perhaps are holding me back..i.e....can someone GET IN MY BODY? I have at times, while giving psychic readings, felt that a spirit of some sort was trying to move further into my energy than I was used to..i.e....trying to to turn my intuitive reading into something directly Channeled...I am getting off the subject here...will wait to hear back.

Edited by - RISING SUN on 17 March 2002  03:49:50

Edited by - RISING SUN on 17 March 2002  03:52:43

[Roger]

It is not possible for your body to get "taken over" while you are projecting as your body is not empty of your soul or anything.  It is merely a projected double of yourself, created by energy.  It is just as impossible for it to happen when you are sleeping, which is basically all your physical body is doing.

You've just managed to make an "alternate vehicle" for your consciousness to hitch a ride onto.  I think anyone on here would no doubt suggest you read Robert Bruce's "Astral Dynamics".  It is truly as good as all of us here believe it is.

[Rising Sun]

Thanks, Roger! An irrational "beginner" fear I have, I suppose. I am reading Robert's book now...I am enjoying...I guess I just didn't get to that part yet. The reassurance is good to have! Sounds like you're an old hand at this stuff.

Namaste

[Roger]

Nope.    A learner and practicer just like everyone else that's only read a little further in the book.  

[Tir13]

Well actually...*grin*

 I have never encountered an individual being literally taken over, but here are some others I have observed - individuals being trapped within energy structures either created by another human/entity, having their energy drained/stolen, being locked out by a sentinent being (long story, sad though), etc...etc...etc.

As for the 'time jumping', yes it is possible and it is very very very rare and extremely taxing on the soul.  When I refer to time jumping I mean having the ability/being created to move around ANY period of existance, even before 'the breaking'/creation.  *scary*  If this IS true, watch out...many things would *literally* kill to access your circles.  Later!

Jason

[Qui-Gon Jinn]

Roger, I know what the state you are talking about feels like, it´s awesome, with the vibrations and all..  as a matter of fact I felt them the steongest the first time (!) I ever tried to project.
By the time I didn´t know what to do really when I lied on my bed, but as I´ve learned much more I realize I did everything by the book pretty much, weird...   I did the awareness bounce to induce vibrations even though I never heard about awareness bouncing nor body awareness/tactile imaging and so forth.
Anyway, it must be neat to see through closed eyelids ey, knowing they are closed and yet see perfectly...  I assume it´s abit like feeling the vibrations and yet know your physical body is lying still, but much cooler I guess
 And speaking of our axes, I think they always need sharpening...  


  Rising Sun, my rush wasn´t THAT huge, mainly because I wasn´t relaxed and lying uncomfortable with a chattering mind, but I could certainly feel it alright!!!  I tried this last night so I can´t answer your Q if I experienced this every time I´ve tried, will have to get back to you on that.
I´m sure the sensations are perfectly normal, so nothing at all to be afraid of, they can not harm you in any way!
I haven´t heard anything about my previous lives, so no, can´t say for sure I´ve been a time-jumper in Atlantis or anything as neat as that, I would remember that if I were    I don´t think what you experienced in a previous life would help you to project, it´s more "where" you are here and now I would say (of course what you may have experienced in a former life would have lead you a bit to were you are here and now if you know what I mean).

I think the other guys answered your Q if someone can enter your body when you are projecting, I can´t see that happening either since you are at the same time still in your physical body.

 Take care you all //Qui-Gon




- Your focus determines your reality -

[Pe-]

Good morning/day/afternoon/whatever!

I have never used rope technique, because I never need it. As I remember, rope technique is a tech to get out from the body. In trance state I can simply go out. Just imagine that you are out of body, and you will be successfull.

Take care!

Pe

[Adrian]

Greetings Pe-!

Thanks for your post and welcome to the forums!

Yes - I think you have pinpointed a very important point here. Successful OBE is all about deep relaxation and trance - if you can achieve those, the exit method is a matter of choice.

Rope is particularly useful because the technique can induce some or all of the pre-requisites to a successful OBE.

I like the "trance and leave" idea you describe - that is the way it should be.

Could you describe your method (and please, anyone join in here) for relaxation and trance prior to imagining yourself out of body? If people could add to this thread with their favourite and/or most successful OBE exit procedures - that would be useful for alot of readers here.

Thanks.

Regards,

Adrian.

[Roger]

So far I have been using Robert's techniques for relaxation and trance.  First I'll do the successive tightening and loosening methods he outlines in AD (usually about 10 minutes worth) then recheck for any tensed muscles and work on them.  By the way, this is great to do anytime, not just for OBE.  Afterwards, I attempt to calm my mind with the breath awareness for at least 20 times (light in, stress out).

From that point, I start working on the trance state (although it has usually started to kick in already).  First, centering my awareness within myself, I visit the peaceful garden with the big tree as outlined in AD and relax in the carved tree trunk and just examine all the detail around me, this really helps me reinforce the relaxation and focus.  Afterwards, I do the elevator falling technique...this brings on the trance state quickly.

Finally, I attempt an exit technique, which I still have alot of trouble with having only succeeded once after a quick blackout.

[PeacefulWarrior]

My technique for relaxation is simple, but it isn't for everyone.  I law in bed and find the perfect position that makes me comfortable.  Then I think about all of those things that my mind naturally wants to turn to, ie. what I did that day and what I need to do in the morning.  I find this useful because it allows me to avoid being distracted later by these same thoughts.

Next I just let my mind wander for a while, imagining and also scratching all the itches that seem to come up later to disturb me.  

At this point I lay and focus on breathing and simply relaxing and imagining.  I do this until I am very sleepy and want to go to sleep. At this point it is dangerous becase many times I am tempted to just roll over and fall asleep, but instead I clear my mind and start relaxing my muscle groups and focusing intently on my breathing.  I find that getting myself to the adge of sleep naturally relaxes me easier than conscious relaxation.  As I breathe I imagine sucking positive energy inside of me and expelling negative energy.  

Now that I am relaxing and focusing on my breathing, I begin to imagine floating out of my body...or I do the rope technique, depending on how I feel.  

Sometimes I end up falling asleep only to reawake to strong vibrations, and then at that point you know what to do...

Grace by grace, principle by principle, we strive towards perfection.  

Il mio Maestro e' colui che ha vissuto la vita perfetta, il stesso che ha datto la sua vita per noi.

[Qui-Gon Jinn]

For relaxation I just lie down flat on my back and take a few deep breaths, relaxing normally 3-5 minutes...  then I start to conciously start to shut down every body part, with my body awareness..  I feel my feet, then I just "shut them down" til the point I hardly notice them, this I find pretty easy actually. My face though I find a little hard to relax, have alot of tension there, but I have just recently started to massage my cheek and cheekbones, helps relaxing the facemuscles.    I don´t do the tension-relaxing procedure Robert advices, feel as if I don´t need that, but I´ll try it later on just to see.
 My problem begins from here really, but I haven´t been doing this for long so I hope I progress on this very soon...  
     
Pe-, sounds like you can leave whenever you want, true?
 In that case, how did you develop that ability?´   Perhaps one of those darn lucky naturals...  

  Take care all// Qui-Gon

- Your focus determines your reality -

[Pe-]

Hi!

Thanks the welcoming, Adrian
The perfect method (for me) depends on the circumstances.
My favorite method is to lay down for a minute, just relaxing and enjoy the flow of thoughs. After one (or more) minute(s) I can feel my body is getting asleep, sometimes I reach trance state by one minute. (when I am tired) I still have problems about the silent mind... how to say. (checking in AD) - Clearing the surface mind.
I often lose my consciousness due to this missing requirement.
I guess there isn't any perfect technique, you have to experience the best method for _you_. It can take a period of time, sometimes years.

See you on the astral plane!

Pe

[Pe-]

Hi again )

Sorry for the post, I forget to answer Qui-Gon Jinn's question.
(and on the other hand, it makes one more post for me )
I am dealing with oobes for four years, and I haven't had any induced conscious oobe. (started when I was 16) The topic has made lots of changes in my views. After a month I had my first obe, it happened on a warm sunny afternoon. My etheric body was projected out, I didn't have any sight, only feelings. At the last time (two weeks ago) I got some kind of sight, but it was not perfect.
Well, as you can see, it is not a natural ability. Hm, yes, it is, but the nurture creates lots of problems. It is sad, but the people don't learn to sleep consciously, the process of getting asleep is about to lose your consciousness. It is ridiculous, isn't it?


Take care!
Pe

[themadness]

Hey Jason,

I don't quite know what you meant when you posted:

"When I refer to time jumping I mean having the ability/being created to move around ANY period of existance, even before 'the breaking'/creation. *scary* If this IS true, watch out...many things would *literally* kill to access your circles. Later!"

What does access to your circles mean?

Thanks,
themadness

[Tir13]

Hey

 Oh I guess my terminology differs, as does everyones...here, I'll explain the best I can.  Circles refer to your live(s), all the knowledge, experience, etc. is stored in that circle and they chain themselves together to create, well...you.  Some people have different structures (depending on function, how they work through time, etc).  Some are a single chain, others are a chain link fence *grin*  Most creatures are confined within the 'great circle/wheel/time' what have you.  But few are able to exist OUTSIDE of it, or INSIDE of it, and have the ability to move freely affecting whatever part they so desire/ordered to, etc.  For a physical idea, take a bracelet or something circluar and just realize most exist within the wheel others outside....that's all.

Jason

[Rising Sun]

Jason, thanks for the heads up on the time-jumping thing. I have not done a lot of research on it, but have always felt connected to Atlantis in some way. A psychic actually told me the time-jumping thing which I had never heard of before. Incidently, that psychic has so far been right about everything else. It is interesting to know it is possible....could be why I am having the irrational fear issues despite the fact that it is obvious my projected body is anxious to leap out...(thus, having to force it to stay in sometimes) - Perhaps I need to do some more protective work prior to doing the OBE. Could be I was meant to get that warning from you...have come into contact with some nasty entities in my time, but never (that I consciously remember) while out of my body...of course, have had some bizarre dreams where I came into contact with some nasty entities...maybe not dreams, but shadow memories (as Robert Bruce calls them - memories from projections) - Thanks again.

Namaste

[Tir13]

On the subject of Atlantis...

I have some rather..."vivid" memories of that era, I'd love to discuss it if you'd like.  Email me sometime.

Jason

[Qui-Gon Jinn]

Hey, I´ve read pretty much half of the book "Astral Dynamics" now - but I haven´t started practising NEW or any techniques or nothing just yet...   was it Abe Lincoln who said "If I was given 6 hours to take down a tree, I would spend the first 4 hours sharpening the axe"(?)
 Anyway, I wanna read the whole book before starting practise what it teach, BUT when I read about the rope technique, climbing hand over hand, with the full use of body awareness I´ve only so far read about, and the application of tactile imaging - I was tempted to try if I would feel anything(I guess I instinctively felt I would).
So, even though not relaxed at all, lying on my right side in my bed (quite uncomfortably actually), I began climbing this imagined rope, and BAM - after 3 seconds tops I felt an energy sensation in my stomach/chest area..   doing this I was totally unprepared, a bit uncomfortable and wide awake with all the billion "surface thoughts" intruding...     can only imagine what wonders it´ll work when deeply relaxed and in the light/heavy trance!!
 


  It would be neat to know how many of you guys uses this very technique - and what you´re results with it are, when using it in the relaxed trance state...

And Mr. Bruce, you´ve created an incredibly informative and easy read book here, as easy as it can be when dealing with this subject that is   It easy beats the crap outta all I´ve read - together(!), so, cheers mate...  

   Take care you all// Qui-Gon

- Your focus determines your reality -