painful vibrations

Senara · January 19, 2003, 17:47:52

I get an intense pain in the middle finger of my left hand. Feels like it's holding the weight of the world. Don't know why there but if I do get pain it's always right there.

Senara

liefmichael · January 19, 2003, 20:23:34

just posted to a related topic in another thread. yes, i used to get pokes in the side that bordered on painful. or a clutching feeling in the side, like a hand was reaching in and squeezing. the head 'rushing' sensations get intense, but not really painful.
can't help you directly, but this is what i felt. as far as i know there are no permanent physical effects (although once my ear popped or something and was hurting the rest of the day) and with more energy work maybe they can be minimised or eliminated.
peace
vec

kifyre · January 20, 2003, 16:09:59

I'm figuring a blockage or simply uneven development. No worries; I'm sure it'll clear up.

I wonder what the most common locations are, as I had trouble in my side too.

Mark

wildbank · January 20, 2003, 16:46:01

As for pain or sensations, I wouldn't "think" of where these pains could be coming from. My only inexperienced guess for this would be to ASK or DELIVER COMMAND while in trance or projection, like: REVEAL SOURCE OF PAIN! or WHERE IS THIS COMING FROM? This is only based upon my notion on how to handle one's fears or resisted past experiences. People tend to mistake PAIN as "you don't want to go there" and then they turn away using avoidance reflex. That does not help the existing pain go away forever. Pain is a running program! The correct reflex originally long ago was to avoid source of pain. Now that source is not in our vicinity, we just want to shut the pain down. In astral or out of body experience, if we encounter pain, we either are visiting the source of pain or the painful incident alone and these may be two separate things in space and time. (ie. if you encountered a bully at a high school reunion, would you feel pain again?)If you contacted source in projection, you probably would have a rational discussion with the being that caused the pain long ago and expect an apology or some nice union and updated understanding or resolution offer. If on the other hand, you have contacted the region of pain and wanted to heal and close it forever, a full disclosure of event from all angles would usually resolve the pain. These are INCOMPLETE experiences awaiting closure at conscious level. All kinds of fears being overcome, I imagine, would make all our travels easier. Was this helpful?

KP · January 20, 2003, 16:52:26

I always get painful buzzing throughout my body (usually back of neck and head but sometimes lower back). Very intense when OBE. I thought it was all part of the developement? Always thought of it as my body trying to get used to the energy...

wildbank · January 20, 2003, 18:18:14

As for painful buzzing, I would just accept it as part of the leaving the body and just DWELL on desired destination, then you are OUT. If it hurts so bad, the body would pull you back anyway. In my successful case, I took an interest in the sensation and went right INTO it as if I would soak and immerse myself in water, and get used to it and feel what it is like. Sometimes sensations are to me like a kind of "high priority message" that demands my attention because especially, it fits my general request or aspiration. One time, while awake, my third eye started to pucker and pull within, so I took that as a signal to OBE NOW! and I closed my eyes in my chair for meditation. It turned out to be the greatest OBE ever. So these sensations have peculiar messages, you only have to find out and the answer is within. Sometimes sensations are like confusing messages to the body but are really for the self to answer and respond to. The body wants to avoid, but the spirit wants to participate. So it is a sort of threshold or doorway. The buzzing can be there also as an identifying ringer, so that you know where or what portal to go next time? If I were you, I would welcome this exploration of the pain and go right into it again to see if it improves. This time, fully experience it and perceive more closely. If that doesn't work, I would just concentrate on the travel and not the body. Also don't forget to ask for CLARITY, or FULL AWARENESS while experiencing the pain or buzzing. You are not afraid are you? Maybe not, but maybe this is new to the body, it is like a animal that is doing its best to make you, the Master, happy. The body will make the sacrifices for you to a limit. Just tell the body not to be afraid. And direct your attention on the realms you are visiting. Another thing: some people's refridgerator provide clues to one's ability to address stress. If the diet is high on sugar and packaged foods, there isn't going to be much energy for any kind of travel. I know people who just cannot enjoy flying in an airplane. I love flying. Everyone responds differently to travel. I also drive marathon, and OBE is to me TRAVEL. So there is a difference between driving in a relaxed state or a tense state. Pay attention to attitudes toward OBE. Remove notions of effort as well. Remember your first driving lesson? Remember the first time you went into the highway lane with a driving instructor? how was your body? I remember being STIFF! I was 16 back then. It is a thrill in beginning. Depends on how you look at it. Let me know if your condition improves.

KP · January 21, 2003, 04:09:04

It's interesting you mention sugar. When OBE I had problems with vision, I asked for clarity but didn't get any. My vision was very red. I asked why I had problems with my OBE vision and a voice said to me, "Your body does not have enough sugar." Thought it was quite strange, you mention that less sugar is beneficial. Perhaps there is a certain balance needed.

kifyre · January 21, 2003, 06:13:54

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Originally posted by KP

It's interesting you mention sugar. When OBE I had problems with vision, I asked for clarity but didn't get any. My vision was very red. I asked why I had problems with my OBE vision and a voice said to me, "Your body does not have enough sugar." Thought it was quite strange, you mention that less sugar is beneficial. Perhaps there is a certain balance needed.

Hi KP,

Eating foods high in sugar causes your blood sugar to shoot up, which causes an insulin spike to regulate it and all sorts of other problems. However, your brain needs a constant supply of glucose (a kind of sugar) to function at optimum efficiency. Perhaps this was what your voice was talking about. [

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In my limited understanding, I think this is something you can try:

1) Lower your intake of sugary foods, fructose, etc. This will keep your body from spitting out chemicals that protect you, but sometimes overcompensate by lowering blood sugar too far.

2) Eat plenty of protein and fat (olive oil or something) with each meal. This will regulate your digestion and make nutrient absorbtion long-lasting, and steady.

3) Eat those vegetables. Vegetables are where your sugar naturally comes from in the form of carbohydrates. Complex carbohydrates unlike the simple ones found in bread and bagels. The complex ones are broken down slowly, and, once again, provide a steady supply of energy.

As always, listen your body. I still sometimes have trouble getting enough of a "kick" out of vegetables.

More than you were expecting, right? [

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Mark

KP · January 22, 2003, 06:01:10

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the reply I will try out your advice. A lot of my OBEs were helped by alcohol (not intentionally) so I wasn't suprised to have imbalances in the body.

Another thing which has always puzzled me is when I re-enter the physical from OBE state, I am always left with a very unique taste in my throat which seems to come from my chest. Not a pleasant taste, almost like petrol, difficult to explain but i'd say definately OBE related, because I never get this taste at any other time.

wildbank · January 22, 2003, 11:42:10

About alcohol, that is what it is, petrol! I haven't touched alcohol for 30 years. O'Douls tastes quite good as a substitute!
So, if one is using alcohol or drugs to induce OBE, God help them! As time progresses, the brain requires more of the alcohol or drug to produce the same toxifying rush effect as the first dose in childhood.
I suggest you drink veggie juices or something the body can thank you for. Would last you longer. I don't believe the stuff about wine helping the heart, really don't. It is the CHEER that is good for the heart.

The body goes in all kinds of funny arrests when it needs something. So, give it some food. Leave the petrol for your car.

Like me, you can easily do OBE without the alcohol and soda pop. I can give you a tip. Out there, I learned that the tone is that of enthrallment, very high vibe, because everything is so wonderful. So, start your OBE in that vibe, with eager anticipation as if you are readying for a nice roller coaster ride, or a flight to the moon. It is that thrilling and your frequencies shall match successfully.

By contrast, if you start off bored stiff, I can be sure you will be transported to desolate and non challenging places. It is all in the mind and heart. (not the brain for the most part)

The distilleries of UK are going to hate me for this!

KP · January 23, 2003, 08:12:04

I think you misinterpreted me. I don't drink alcohol to help me OBE. I have had many OBEs without it. I was mentioning that a number of my experiences were helped by alcohol but not intentionally.
I drink socially, only once or twice a week. It is not a neccessity for me but I have no reason to eliminate it from my life. I still consider myself healthy.
I have noticed alcohol creates spontaneous OBEs quite often during sleep. Without alcohol, I rarely have spontaneous OBEs but with enough intent and preperation I can achieve the OBE state.

kifyre · January 19, 2003, 17:04:03

Napping after inadvertent sleep deprivation, all sorts of weird stuff happens. A few times, including just now, I get hit by vibrations, over and over again. And they hurt! Over most of the body it's intense, but not unpleasant, but in at least one spot be it my subnavel storage center or another location (most likely another energy center) it is very unpleasant. This time it was the back of my head. You can feel them about to hit. It's hard for me to describe what the uncomfortableness is. Like a squeezing or a pushing or a clutching maybe that goes up and down with the intensity of the vibrations elsewhere.

I can think of all sorts of reasons why this happens. What I'm really curious about is how common it is. Does anyone else experience pain during vibrations?

Mark

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