CALLING ON ANYONE EXPERIENCED WITH ASTRAL PROJECTION

[Tongo]

Please consider helping me out with this ONLY if you are experiened with astral projection and while I realise
even the experienced still cannot project easily or on a whim, the fact is you are more used to and experienced
with it.

So what I am trying to do is find out more about the supposed "time travel" aspect of an OBE. This topic is
indeed subject to much debate but I am trying to find out more information on it as I have an interest in this
specifically. Some say they have gone to the etheral dimension of the astral world which as we all know is like
the astral world whilst in this dimension. Again I know its subject to a lot of debate and what not but lets just
go with this for arguments sake. I am trying to see if time travel into the past or future while in the etheral
world happens by perhaps imagining or trying to move ones astral self throughout it using intention and I wanted
anyone who has tried this or is willing to try next time they have an AP, to please let me know how it went or
how it will go. I want to hear about any time travel experiences in the etheral that you think were real or
were not real and yes the etheral is subject to a lot of strange distortions but I trying to find some simularities.

PLEASE PLEASE do not reply to this on how I need to experience it for myself. I realise this but
the fact of the matter is even if I did have my own experience I would still need to collect other experiences
to compare and look at for any simularities and such. While I have tried I cannot project right now but I will
in the future So please spare me all the "you need to see for yourself" speeches which I hear all the time. This
is about my own research and research can not be based on simply one experience alone. You need a collection
of information.

thx.

[Bedeekin]

You can go backwards in time... and forwards. You aren't actually present in the time you go back or forward to, you are just viewing recorded information. You can go back to yesterday... last week... 400 years ago. You can stop the action and slow replay... rewind and pause.

You are simply accessing the database.

So maybe I have been watching too many Thomas Campbell videos recently. But he eloquently describes the process of things I have experienced that makes perfect sense.

Past is interesting and brings interesting results. I have only ever seemed to gat any joy from jumping forward.

Heres a post from a different thread...

20/11/95
02:15am
I was lying in my front room. I phased into an OOBE and found myself floating sideways across the doorway to the room I was lying in. The sliding door to the room was halfway open. As I approached the opening of the door, (again sideways) I noted that there were red glittery sparkly things to the right of my view and the sun appeared to be shining on the wall against the fireplace. As I slowly glided sideways and saw Kathryn sitting on the sofa that I was supposed to be on. She had what appeared to be a cup of coffee in her hand. She suddenly looked at me and her face grew ashen. She said "Ben?" and leant over to her left to do something that was blocked from my view by the edge of sliding door..... I exited the OOBE before I saw why she was leaning over... I phased back to normal.


A month later we were sitting in the front room... it was christmas... Me and Kathryn were watching saturday morning TV. She suddenly blurted "Ben?" and shook my leg... she had a mug of orange juice in her hand. She said she had just seen what appeared to be a whispy bit of black chiffon glide past the door. I showed her the above diary entry. There was red christmas tinsel around the door frame.

So I evidently saw an event a month in advance. Had I seen me watching TV, it would have been more close to yours because I would have been doing something I wasn't doing... at that time.

Forward in time is less accurate the further away from now that you get. This is because of probability. Every event is built upon a likely probability... so more further away relies upon conjecture.

I have found this is different if there are no other people involved.

Say you want to find out the outcome of a fight... you will see the likely outcome based upon the information available at the present... that is easy for you to work out what YOU will do... but you are also acting upon the free-will of the opponent. Does that make sense?

I have used it several times to find out the outcome of a job... and to solve the problem of building things. You can try anything out.. and it works like the real thing based upon the physical attributes contained within the information that makes up this reality.

Here's one of my experiences. I had to build a giant model for an exhibition...

12/02/10

Separated via climb out method after several failed attempts at my usual. Blackness ensued so I attempted anchoring with the hand method.

I was in a large barn... not sure where but it had the qualia of the workshop. It occurred to me at that point that I had dreamed in this barn before that involved work related issues. I spent a moment searching for the sculpture. Workshop A/B was the most obvious place to find it.

It was across a large lawn. Not as it should be. Again I recalled several dreams involving this lawn. I remembered upon that that Wkshop A/B was a market in DLR. I peered into the large glass[wooden] doors and sure enough it was filled with market tents and stalls.

I was momentarily drawn into a narrative involving a man at a chestnut roasting stand. I realised I was slipping and phased back to SP.

I hand anchored and re-focused to the workshop. This time it was more complete as the workshop in the physical. I was relieved to find the sculpture in all its glory standing in the main workshop. I wondered how we would get it out considering the doors are smaller than the object. That was simple. I looked behind the cowl wrapped around its neck and noticed it was split into sections. Interesting.

I pulled apart the cowl and noticed that there was a hatch that gave access to the inside. I looked inside and found that it was like a jigsaw puzzle made from sections with inverted flanges. LIKE A REVERSE MOULD!!

There was no steelwork. All fibreglass. Plastic leaves. Moss was flocking. Giant flocking doesn't exist.

Becky climbed into the top of the head via another hatch. She was concerned that there was no work for her to do. I said not to worry and that we need her to weld up some sort of frame for the base. We then climbed outside the model together and became concerned that Leigh would be mad that he wasn't informed of the manufacturing process. I realised a narrative was forming and phased back to physical.

I basically took the information from the experience and back engineered what I had inspected. All of this was based upon the likely outcome.

Here are more precognitive experiences.. I won't put them here... This post is far too long.

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