Phasing

[iamkuljuarenot]

I've read Kepple's article on phasing, tried it and for me i find that its not much different than trying other OBE techniques.  Before, i would get ready for bed, try different techniques for OBE and i would fall asleep.  As far as phasing goes, i totally see what its all about as far as seeing flashes, visions, hearing noises and the such, but the i still end up falling asleep.  It's really tinkling me off because the one OBE i've had was from waking from a lucid dream, in which i have not had for a while, but the whole phasing thing and other techniques are not working because i can't seem to keep my awareness and i just end up falling asleep.  Any suggestions?

[blis]

Are you getting enough sleep?

Maybe instead of bed you could try projecting from somewhere you dont assosciate with sleep. Like get up in the middle of night and then go and lie on the couch or the floor or something and attempt it from there.

Infact I like that idea. I think I'll try the floor tonight myself. Getting up in the middle of the night and lying down on the floor is such an unusual thing to do that my subconscious has to recognise something is going on. Hopefully it'll get the message and I'll have a place that is solely associated with projecting.

[Xanth]

I've read Kepple's article on phasing, tried it and for me i find that its not much different than trying other OBE techniques.  Before, i would get ready for bed, try different techniques for OBE and i would fall asleep.  As far as phasing goes, i totally see what its all about as far as seeing flashes, visions, hearing noises and the such, but the i still end up falling asleep.  It's really tinkling me off because the one OBE i've had was from waking from a lucid dream, in which i have not had for a while, but the whole phasing thing and other techniques are not working because i can't seem to keep my awareness and i just end up falling asleep.  Any suggestions?

There's the point that Blis made, definitely.
But there's also another point that you're falling asleep because you're ALLOWING yourself to.
There will come a point during your practice when, if you don't keep your mind occupied enough, you WILL simply fall asleep.
You've got to engage your mind more.

[iamkuljuarenot]

I get plenty of sleep, and yes I do only practice projection with a place I associate with sleep, which is my bed.  I also don't really understand how to not allow my self to fall asleep.

[Xanth]

I also don't really understand how to not allow my self to fall asleep.

It's definitely not easy... I'm still working on that one myself.

There comes a point when you will either fall asleep or stay awake.
I've been attempting to passively observe "when" that point hits.

It's a fine balance too... I mean, you need to keep your mind active enough so that it doesn't fall asleep, yet not so active that it keeps your body awake either.  Just when you feel yourself starting to drift off, just focus a bit more on whatever 'mind activity' you're doing to keep it awake.

What you don't want is for your mind to 'drift'... if you notice that you've drifted, gently bring it back to whatever it is you're focusing on and continue.

Chances are that you'll drift several times (or more) throughout the session.  Just gently bring it back each time.

[Mindfulness]

I have a question concerning this topic while we're on it.  When attempting phasing, or any other OBE method for that matter, does the physical body fall asleep at some point after we exit our body?  I have read tons of books and looked online and haven't seen this issue addressed anywhere.  The reason this is a concern for me is that I will start snoring if I fall asleep on my back and it will wake me up.  I want to know if I should be practicing these techniques in another position or not.  Thanks.

[Xanth]

Sometimes it will, sometimes it won't.
It's actually not as important as being DISASSOCIATED from your physical body.

[Mindfulness]

I suppose its hard to determine if you're out of body anyhow.  I'll just keep making my attempts off of my back and if it wakes me up then I'll try from a different position.  Thanks.

[Xanth]

I suppose its hard to determine if you're out of body anyhow.  I'll just keep making my attempts off of my back and if it wakes me up then I'll try from a different position.  Thanks.

If you're fully conscious when it happens, it'll be pretty obvious actually.

[blis]

I started snoring once in the trance state. It was weird feeling myself snore. Kind of tickley. I've never managed such a deep trance since but I still prop my head up with some pillows now to stop my breathing getting uncomfortable when all the area in and around my throat relaxes.

[floriferous]

Another question while we're on the subject. Using Franks method I have reached the stage where he talks about the physical suddenly switching off (i.e. Focus 10). For me it does just simply feel like the feeling in my body from the feet up slowly dissipates until i'm a point in space. However, I have also experienced body heaviness from the feet up. Feels very different and can be quite uncomfortable. It just feels like a force is pushing me down. When it reaches my chest area it makes breathing difficult (well in so much as you can think of nothing else which has the inevitable effect of making me loose this state).

So my question is what is the difference between them and where do they fit in on the scale? I don't have to experience the body heaviness to get to focus 10 so what the hell is its purpose? All it seems to do is serve as an overwhelming distraction to bring me back to C1. Is this a step to full sleep paralysis because in my experience focus 10 really is not paralysis but rather simple disassociation from anything physical? And as sleep paralysis is more at home with the classic style OBE could I deduce that's where I would be heading when I experience this heaviness?

[Xanth]

Another question while we're on the subject. Using Franks method I have reached the stage where he talks about the physical suddenly switching off (i.e. Focus 10). For me it does just simply feel like the feeling in my body from the feet up slowly dissipates until i'm a point in space. However, I have also experienced body heaviness from the feet up. Feels very different and can be quite uncomfortable. It just feels like a force is pushing me down. When it reaches my chest area it makes breathing difficult (well in so much as you can think of nothing else which has the inevitable effect of making me loose this state).

So my question is what is the difference between them and where do they fit in on the scale? I don't have to experience the body heaviness to get to focus 10 so what the hell is its purpose? All it seems to do is serve as an overwhelming distraction to bring me back to C1. Is this a step to full sleep paralysis because in my experience focus 10 really is not paralysis but rather simple disassociation from anything physical? And as sleep paralysis is more at home with the classic style OBE could I deduce that's where I would be heading when I experience this heaviness?

Focus 10 can be taken as "Light" or "Deep".
What you first explained could be considered a Light Focus 10...
The "heaviness" you felt could be considered you going into a Deeper Focus 10.

Nothing is forcing you down, it's just that you're now FEELING and EXPERIENCING the exact process of your body falling asleep.
It's getting heavy because your muscles are completely relaxing.  You're consciously feeling the full effect of gravity upon your body.

It's just, yet another thing, to ignore as you're practicing.
It's just a step to a deeper trance state.

[floriferous]

Yeah but if that's correct then there's an inconsistency here. By that logic a light focus 10, like I wrote, is where I lose all body awareness to the point I feel like Im just a point in space so how I can then feel body heaviness (which is a deeper F10) if I have no body awareness. Sounds like a step backwards

[blis]

I get the body heavyness the deeper I get into the trance state.

I think focus 10 is like a specific set of brainwave frequences or something.

I'd say you can get into a heavy trance without being in the mental state of focus 10. There are probably lots of mental states with varying levels of dissasociation from the body.

I can still feel my body during obe's sometimes. The other night I had a spontanious projection after falling asleep on the floor. I had to run like a mile from my body before i could stop feeling the pain in my arm from my head lying on it(I cant fly unless I've got astral sight which i didnt get till I stopped being aware of my body)

[Xanth]

Yeah but if that's correct then there's an inconsistency here. By that logic a light focus 10, like I wrote, is where I lose all body awareness to the point I feel like Im just a point in space so how I can then feel body heaviness (which is a deeper F10) if I have no body awareness. Sounds like a step backwards

There's actually no specific rule that says "when you're projecting, you won't feel your body".
There will be times when you can feel your body completely... or you might kinda feel it 'back there somewhere'... OR, you might not feel it at all.

[Seraphis1]

There's actually no specific rule that says "when you're projecting, you won't feel your body".
There will be times when you can feel your body completely... or you might kinda feel it 'back there somewhere'... OR, you might not feel it at all.

Hi All: In a word... stocastic!! All the intellectualizing that we do is a random bench marking... a 'rule of thumb... dead reckoning' the non-physical behaves in an infinite array of symptomatic effect observances... we may never get a definitive fix on the truth of it all simply because beings move on an lose interest in the cataloging... Frank Kepple apparently is deceased... someone said... so the guy who had the analytical skills to do a reliable comprehensive work on this subject... left and has not come back to continue the work... I used to have a grasp of the Yogic system and what it taught were the effects and written in stone anatomy and mystical physiology... all of which is probably quite erronenous in detail if not in principle... it is what it is folks and practice and persistence will yeald results over time... the detail of it will probably be lost... as you phase out of the physical plane... I know I am not coming back.

S.

[APJEFF]

This topic seems to be the best one for me to post in so here we go.

These past couple nights I have been practicing the monroe technique, every night I feel like I am getting closer to projecting, but I still cant seem to exit. Last night while I was practicing I heard one sound I kno wasnt real (nothing in the psychical I mean). and my body started to naturally become numb, AT THIS POINT..what do I do, do I try my hardest to keep this tingly/numb feeling, and try to increase it? Im having a hard time achieving sleep paralysis, I have NEVER woken up with sleep paralysis EXCEPT for the ONE time i have ever projected (and that was by accident). I never feel the sensation of the "heavyness" on my body, I only feel the sensation of numbness usually thruout my whole body except my neck and head area. I do see the "light flashes" in my closed eyes but they never seem to stop. Last night i drifted a couple times and did a good job of refocusing on projecting but I still cant seem to get past this point.
what am I doing wrong, or am I forgetting somethin?