Physical Issues

[Micael]

 Hey guys,

I know this is boring.. one more person talking about his problems and why it doesn't work. But I just don't know what do do anymore.
My problems are very simple which makes them really annoying... I would rather have other major issues to get over, because I can't seem to solve this.
Every time im trying to project I barely can get to Focus 10/Trance because saliva keeps growing and growing in my mouth.. I don't have that problem in my daily life so I don't understand why every single time I try to project I have to swallow every 10 seconds or have a river growing in my mouth.
And that's not all... When I start getting into a more relaxed state and I let go of controlling, my eyes start opening a lot by themselves, many times they even get almost fully opened. This is extremely frustrating because I just don't know how to go around this. Is there any kind of food or drink that could reduce the production of saliva in my mouth temporarily? Anything to keep the eyes shut? Thanks. 
   

[manwesulimo2004]

I used to have the saliva problem too. I have tried not to let it impair my progress and now it seems to be getting less frequent.
I've also had the eye problem occasionally but usually only during meditation. Yesterday was the first time it arose in an attempt to project. I suppose a sleeping mask would work around this problem though.

[Micael]

 Yah I thought about that too, the problem is as weird as it can seem I can't find any sleeping mask here close.
What did you do about the saliva problem? Just ignored it? When it happened you just swallowed all the time or just let it there?
 

[manwesulimo2004]

Swallowed. I think if you try to suppress your need to "dispose" of the saliva you'll just keep focusing on it. If you swallow when necessary eventually it becomes a habit and you stop thinking about it... At least that's my theory. I still have problems with it occasionally.

[manwesulimo2004]

Oh yeah. Let me point out I've never actually had an OBE though. So maybe my advice is just a load of bovine excrement.

[Micael]

 No way, your advise is very much appreciated and it makes sense. Maybe I just gotta let go of this worry.. the fact is that when im trying to sleep this doesn't stop me from relaxing my mind and let go, so I guess you must be right. Thanks  

EDIT: Not only it doesn't stop me from falling asleep but I don't even notice any saliva or swallowing, so your advice is probably much better than you thought. 

[Xanth]

Great advice so far guys.   Keep it up.  I'm just gonna provide my perspective on it. 

Hey guys,

I know this is boring.. one more person talking about his problems and why it doesn't work. But I just don't know what do do anymore.

First, we're here to answer these kinds of questions... none of it is boring.
You're having problems and I appreciate that you decided to come to us to help you in finding a solution. 

My problems are very simple which makes them really annoying... I would rather have other major issues to get over, because I can't seem to solve this.

Trust me, you're gonna have a myriad of problems as you progress through the consciousness continuum... none are really more or less than the other though. 

Every time im trying to project I barely can get to Focus 10/Trance because saliva keeps growing and growing in my mouth.. I don't have that problem in my daily life so I don't understand why every single time I try to project I have to swallow every 10 seconds or have a river growing in my mouth.

Do you drink a lot of soda?  If so, try to change it up to drinking just water roughly 30 - 60 minutes before you practice, that'll help the "saliva" problem.
However, in the end, just swallow.  Do whatever it is your normally do to fall asleep at night.  Cause the process is very similar.

And that's not all... When I start getting into a more relaxed state and I let go of controlling, my eyes start opening a lot by themselves, many times they even get almost fully opened. This is extremely frustrating because I just don't know how to go around this. Is there any kind of food or drink that could reduce the production of saliva in my mouth temporarily? Anything to keep the eyes shut? Thanks. 

This one is a little harder to solve and mostly just requires practice.
BUT, there are some things you can do to lessen the trouble... first, stretch out your eyes.  Move them around in full circles as wide as they'll go, do this several times.  Also, close them tightly for a few seconds, and release... do that several times as well.  This will "help" in keeping them closed.

If that fails, try a blindfold of some kind. 

[Micael]

Great advice so far guys.   Keep it up.  I'm just gonna provide my perspective on it.  First, we're here to answer these kinds of questions... none of it is boring.
You're having problems and I appreciate that you decided to come to us to help you in finding a solution. 

I appreciate that, thanks Xanth.

Do you drink a lot of soda?  If so, try to change it up to drinking just water roughly 30 - 60 minutes before you practice, that'll help the "saliva" problem.

Well not a lot but yes! I drink some soda and a lot of water too, I never thought about that, i'll definitely make sure I go 60 minutes without water before any attempt.

However, in the end, just swallow.  Do whatever it is your normally do to fall asleep at night.  Cause the process is very similar.
This one is a little harder to solve and mostly just requires practice.
BUT, there are some things you can do to lessen the trouble... first, stretch out your eyes.  Move them around in full circles as wide as they'll go, do this several times.  Also, close them tightly for a few seconds, and release... do that several times as well.  This will "help" in keeping them closed.

If that fails, try a blindfold of some kind. 

I made a blindfold myself but I gotta tie it up around my head and that does a little pressure which is a little bit distracting I'll see what works best with our without.
I always do the eye stretch so I guess either it will come from the blindfold keeping my eyes closed or just practice.
When I said I would rather have major issues what I meant is that when you have the perspective of the first obe experience and the opening of a new path in your life it's a little bit itchy to be hold back by such things as saliva and stubborn eyelids. But hey.. it's not the end of the world I'll keep practicing, thanks for you help. 

[Magickist]

Hi Michael!

Xanth covered most of it, but I have some additional information that should help you with your problems, because those were the main problems I had to deal with at first too.

First of all, it doesn't matter whether you swallow or not, as long as it's a subconscious process. If you think about it you'll notice that most of the time when you swallow you don't pay attention to it at all, unless you're nervous. I advise to instead of trying not to have to swallow, just don't worry about it at all so you wont even think about it.

The second thing I'd like to point out, is that any bodily functions that may occur during your attempts don't matter at all as long as you pay no attention to them. I've never met anyone that doesn't move around, or cough or sneeze or something while they're asleep. I've been told I do stuff like this while I'm asleep as well. Some people also talk in their sleep or get up and do something (while still completely asleep.) The point I'm trying to make with this is that your consciousness pays no attention or cause any of these actions, which is all you need to worry about silencing. Try to let your subconscious mind deal with all the physical body stuff, while you and your consciousness become one with your spirit.

That being said, it doesn't really matter if your eyes or open or not. It's just easier for most people to concentrate when their eyes are closed because of the darkness. So if possible get yourself in pitch black darkness so even if your eyes were open, you wouldn't be able to tell a difference.

There are some methods that require your eyes to be closed though. Even some that require your eyes to be open. I've had OBEs with my eyes open before so it works, as long as it doesn't cause a distraction.

So good luck if you have any questions feel free to ask! 

[Micael]

Hi Michael!

Xanth covered most of it, but I have some additional information that should help you with your problems, because those were the main problems I had to deal with at first too.

First of all, it doesn't matter whether you swallow or not, as long as it's a subconscious process. If you think about it you'll notice that most of the time when you swallow you don't pay attention to it at all, unless you're nervous. I advise to instead of trying not to have to swallow, just don't worry about it at all so you wont even think about it.

The second thing I'd like to point out, is that any bodily functions that may occur during your attempts don't matter at all as long as you pay no attention to them. I've never met anyone that doesn't move around, or cough or sneeze or something while they're asleep. I've been told I do stuff like this while I'm asleep as well. Some people also talk in their sleep or get up and do something (while still completely asleep.) The point I'm trying to make with this is that your consciousness pays no attention or cause any of these actions, which is all you need to worry about silencing. Try to let your subconscious mind deal with all the physical body stuff, while you and your consciousness become one with your spirit.

That being said, it doesn't really matter if your eyes or open or not. It's just easier for most people to concentrate when their eyes are closed because of the darkness. So if possible get yourself in pitch black darkness so even if your eyes were open, you wouldn't be able to tell a difference.

There are some methods that require your eyes to be closed though. Even some that require your eyes to be open. I've had OBEs with my eyes open before so it works, as long as it doesn't cause a distraction.

So good luck if you have any questions feel free to ask! 

Hi Magic!

Such a complete response, when you think there's nothing more to it there comes someone who proves you wrong. 
I shall do as you say and try not to focus on it, and if I think about it I'll pay the less attention possible and for the shorter period of time.
I had no knowledge of people projecting with their eyes open, that's amazing. And there's still people who say they can't project.
The hint your gave me about focusing on my spirit is amazing and very much appreciated because this brings confirmation that I'm doing the right thing when I focus my awareness on my energy body to get my attention away from the physical body. Thanks a lot. 

[BlueTone]

I didn't read through all the replies, So i hope I'm not repeating anything that someone has already stated....But i wanted to throw my 2 cents in.

First off, I feel your pain, I had this problem as well. It is - VERY - aggravating, and definitely distracting enough to make you call it quits. I found a beautiful way to eliminate the problem however, and maybe it will work for you?...

Right before i begin my AP routine. I brush my teeth, and rinse my mouth out with warm water. Then, while doing my routine, i NEVER.....Repeat.. -NEVER- put any awareness on my mouth area. Keep your entire Focus away from your mouth as much as possible. You should be focusing on something outside of your Physical body anyway, But once it starts, its hard to not focus on what's bothering you.

But anyway, Yes. If it happens every once and awhile, Fine....Just swallow, and continue. Its not as interfering as it may see. You won't break trance from swallowing. You do it a million times at night, I'm sure.

Hope this helps, Let me know. Its done wonders for me!

~Ryan

[Micael]

Right before i begin my AP routine. I brush my teeth, and rinse my mouth out with warm water. Then, while doing my routine, i NEVER.....Repeat.. -NEVER- put any awareness on my mouth area. Keep your entire Focus away from your mouth as much as possible. You should be focusing on something outside of your Physical body anyway, But once it starts, its hard to not focus on what's bothering you.

But anyway, Yes. If it happens every once and awhile, Fine....Just swallow, and continue. Its not as interfering as it may see. You won't break trance from swallowing. You do it a million times at night, I'm sure.

Hope this helps, Let me know. Its done wonders for me!

~Ryan

Oh no, I've received many good advices and I'm on my way, but I didn't know your technique until now. Thanks for sharing! I hope it makes it even easier.