Have anyone experienced, journeyed, seen other planets from physical plane with their intelligent life forms? If so, could you please describe them? What were the beings like, what civilization did they build, what progress was achived and what was your personal observations?
Also, if the topic is duplicated and it was already risen on the forum, please be so kind and point me to it.
Quote from: ostatni_enterol on May 13, 2014, 20:32:39
Have anyone experienced, journeyed, seen other planets from physical plane with their intelligent life forms? If so, could you please describe them? What were the beings like, what civilization did they build, what progress was achived and what was your personal observations?
Also, if the topic is duplicated and it was already risen on the forum, please be so kind and point me to it.
There is a ton of threads and posts here based on member's personal experiences in the NPR (Non Physical Realms/Reality).
We have a great search engine here. It's found in the top right hand corner of the page. Just make sure you do your search from the Home page. Otherwise your search will be limited to the "sub forum" you are currently in. Just type a topic heading of what you wish to see and you will be brought to any threads/posts with that word or heading in it.
Quote from: ostatni_enterol on May 13, 2014, 20:32:39
Have anyone experienced, journeyed, seen other planets from physical plane with their intelligent life forms? If so, could you please describe them? What were the beings like, what civilization did they build, what progress was achived and what was your personal observations?
Also, if the topic is duplicated and it was already risen on the forum, please be so kind and point me to it.
Atlantis.
Quote from: AAAAAAAA on May 13, 2014, 20:47:26
Atlantis.
Could you describe what you have seen?
Quote from: ostatni_enterol on May 17, 2014, 15:44:52
Could you describe what you have seen?
Atlantians. Technologies beyond our current human comprehension. Let's put it this way: The best way to go to Atlantis is while you are "hidden". Do you have any idea what could potentially happen to any human found sneaking around Atlantis? Atlantians have observed how we, as humans, have a habit of wanting to take control. They have observed how we fight each other, and seen how we fight over such
trivial things, such as religion, money and etc. What do you think humans would do if they got their hands on Atlantian technology? That's what they fear. Just imagine that. THAT is the kind of things I have seen. Atlantians are humanoids. I don't know if I'd call them "human", but they are humanoids. I haven't been there more than once or twice, but some intriguing sights are things like tall buildings, and stairways that are so beautiful you could live on them, lol.
Thank you. This is most intresting.
QuoteDo you have any idea what could potentially happen to any human found sneaking around Atlantis?
No, what happens to a human sneaking around Atlantis?
Quote from: Stillwater on May 18, 2014, 01:10:38
No, what happens to a human sneaking around Atlantis?
Well I haven't seen it for my own eyes, so don't take this as fact. But what do humans do to other humans when they get a hold of information they aren't suppose to have? That's right, we kill each other. Atlantians have more to protect. They have technology that they won't risk humans getting their hands on....
What makes you so sure it was Atlantis? Was it really a physical Atlantis or an 'astral' one? As far as the legend goes which is in part confirmed by some information from channeling and hypnotic regression, Atlantis was a huge world-wide civilisation on Earth. It was a whole continent (not island) or more that supposedly sank by a few cataclysms and world-wide disasters many thousands of years ago. So you were also time-travelling? Can you confirm the legends (info) from your findings or was what you saw different from that?
Quote from: Volgerle on May 18, 2014, 16:06:35
What makes you so sure it was Atlantis? Was it really a physical Atlantis or an 'astral' one? As far as the legend goes which is in part confirmed by some information from channeling and hypnotic regression, Atlantis was a huge world-wide civilisation on Earth. It was a whole continent (not island) or more that supposedly sank by a few cataclysms and world-wide disasters many thousands of years ago. So you were also time-travelling? Can you confirm the legends (info) from your findings or was what you saw different from that?
Let's get something straight. Time is stationary, we are not. We age. So I would argue that we are all time traveling right now. If you want to go even further into it, time is just time. There are no years, seconds, days, etc., etc. Those are all man-made measurements that we came up with in order to have a better understanding of time. The astral Atlantis IS the real Atlantis. How? I don't even think "god" knows the answer to that. All I can tell you is that Atlantis disappeared a very long time ago, and the astral is where it can be found. As far as I know, the only thing that is confirmed is that there have been evidence if statues and other artifacts found underwater, which only goes so far back by the way. Yes, I'm sure it is Atlantis. I'm not really educated on all the legends and stuff of Atlantis, so I can't really tell you in detail. I'm not going to sit here and pretend to be an expert or anything. I can only tell you what I've seen. I also wouldn't put all of my faith into channeling and hypnotic regression. People are too easily influenced to be trusted 100% of the time when they've "regressed" something via hypnosis. The reason being is that people like to believe in what they want to, and not the truth. The more they tell themselves something is true, the more they will believe it. I bet those who have "regressed" such information have already been influenced by folklore and the such and have already had expectations of what Atlantis should be from the very start. I'd bet my life on it, lol.
Quote from: AAAAAAAA on May 18, 2014, 16:54:48I bet those who have "regressed" such information have already been influenced by folklore and the such and have already had expectations of what Atlantis should be from the very start. I'd bet my life on it, lol.
... so could be any APer visiting a certain astral 'realm', which could actually be a Belief System Territory, same for Remote Viewers, etc. pp. ... just saying.
:wink:
Quote from: Volgerle on May 18, 2014, 18:54:03
... so could be any APer visiting a certain astral 'realm', which could actually be a Belief System Territory, same for Remote Viewers, etc. pp. ... just saying.
:wink:
Not everything there is a creation of someone's belief. I also find remote viewing just a waste of time.
QuoteWell I haven't seen it for my own eyes, so don't take this as fact. But what do humans do to other humans when they get a hold of information they aren't suppose to have? That's right, we kill each other. Atlantians have more to protect. They have technology that they won't risk humans getting their hands on....
What means could they possess to assassinate a person from both another time and space? And wouldn't doing that make them just as petty as human?
Quote from: Stillwater on May 18, 2014, 20:19:34
What means could they possess to assassinate a person from both another time and space? And wouldn't doing that make them just as petty as human?
Nah. They have a better purpose for defending then us humans do. Besides, you can meet real people in the astral. There are people just like you and me there. Someone who targets you in the astral can also target you in real life. Believe it or not, it's true. I don't care if you believe me or not, lol.
Yes you can definitely meet real people. I wouldn't say it is impossible for an entity from a non-physical encounter to target someone, but I haven't encountered anyone yet with the apparent focus or will enough to kill by thought.
It isn't so much relevant if I believe you or not, just wanted to see how you reason it.
Quote from: Stillwater on May 18, 2014, 20:35:42
Yes you can definitely meet real people. I wouldn't say it is impossible for an entity from a non-physical encounter to target someone, but I haven't encountered anyone yet with the apparent focus or will enough to kill by thought.
It isn't so much relevant if I believe you or not, just wanted to see how you reason it.
I'll be blunt about it then. Everyone here seems to think that just because you are limitless in the astral, it means that you are invincible. I am 99.99% sure that all of that is BS.
Quote from: AAAAAAAA on May 18, 2014, 20:39:06
I'll be blunt about it then. Everyone here seems to think that just because you are limitless in the astral, it means that you are invincible. I am 99.99% sure that all of that is BS.
What exactly do you think is going to hurt you?
I've been shot, stabbed, bitten, drown, etc... no worse for wear.
Quote from: Xanth on May 18, 2014, 22:19:01
What exactly do you think is going to hurt you?
I've been shot, stabbed, bitten, drown, etc... no worse for wear.
Anything. It's not about what anyone thinks, it's about the things that can potentially go wrong, and about the people and/or things that can potentially hurt you. When I say you, of course I mean your body. In terms of your soul, nothing. The soul, unlike the body, IS in fact immortal.
I've been stabbed and cut. I've literally had life pulled out of me in the form of energy. I've never been shot though, lol. Must have sucked.
Quote from: AAAAAAAA on May 18, 2014, 22:35:12
Anything. It's not about what anyone thinks, it's about the things that can potentially go wrong, and about the people and/or things that can potentially hurt you. When I say you, of course I mean your body. In terms of your soul, nothing. The soul, unlike the body, IS in fact immortal.
I've been stabbed and cut. I've literally had life pulled out of me in the form of energy. I've never been shot though, lol. Must have sucked.
But that's just it, you're thinking "physically". Think BEYOND this physical reality and what you think you know about yourself and the very nature of reality.
For myself, I don't recognize myself as "having" or "being" a physical body. There's no difference in this form to another form I'd take non-physically.
It's all consciousness. Your body doesn't even objectively exist.
And even if you're just thinking about this "physical" body... you can fear about it getting hurt and dying, sure. It's just another experience. You might not want to leave your loved ones, but in the end, that's only a purely ego reaction. There's a much larger story out there being told by your consciousness. But this physical-life is only restricted to this physical rule set where you experience it in. It doesn't extend beyond "here"... and when you leave "here" one day, it then becomes just another spiritual-growing experience (hopefully LoL).
Quote from: AAAAAAAA on May 18, 2014, 20:39:06
I'll be blunt about it then. Everyone here seems to think that just because you are limitless in the astral, it means that you are invincible. I am 99.99% sure that all of that is BS.
I agree. I am not convinced that a person is immune from any sort of harm. The world is a big place, and many unexpected things and events populate it. I feel like many people obsess about defense though... it seems like these are the sorts of people that find themselves under constant attack. For this reason, I am convinced most of the negative encounters are authored by the projector. But then maybe not all.
Quote from: Stillwater on May 19, 2014, 06:01:17
I agree. I am not convinced that a person is immune from any sort of harm. The world is a big place, and many unexpected things and events populate it. I feel like many people obsess about defense though... it seems like these are the sorts of people that find themselves under constant attack. For this reason, I am convinced most of the negative encounters are authored by the projector. But then maybe not all.
Exactly. It's almost ironic in a way how people talk about how they are "limitless", yet they completely discredit the possibility of getting hurt. If there are no limits, what's stopping someone from getting cut in the throat and killed whilst in the astral? My proposition probably sounds ridiculous, but this is what it means to truly be limitless. If one was limitless, this would be totally possible, no matter how ridiculous it sounds.
Well, let's discuss what you think is going to harm you physically.
What do you think can harm you?
Quote from: Xanth on May 19, 2014, 20:05:43
Well, let's discuss what you think is going to harm you physically.
What do you think can harm you?
Just about anything if you're unconsious.
Quote from: AAAAAAAA on May 20, 2014, 19:52:17
Just about anything if you're unconsious.
Oh, so you're talking about someone attacking your physical body while you're "projecting"?
Well yeah, if someone comes along and stabs you while you're sleeping... it's going to end your physical experience.
I'm not talking about physical reality violence though. I'm referring solely to the non-physical. I thought that's what this discussion was about... being "hurt" in the non-physical.
Quote from: Xanth on May 20, 2014, 20:38:05
Oh, so you're talking about someone attacking your physical body while you're "projecting"?
Well yeah, if someone comes along and stabs you while you're sleeping... it's going to end your physical experience.
I'm not talking about physical reality violence though. I'm referring solely to the non-physical. I thought that's what this discussion was about... being "hurt" in the non-physical.
The soul can be also tortured.
Quote from: AAAAAAAA on May 20, 2014, 20:44:28
The soul can be also tortured.
If you believe so. Enjoy your tortured soul. :)
Quote from: AAAAAAAA on May 20, 2014, 20:44:28
The soul can be also tortured.
I have done many retrievals, and the only entities I needed to save these spirits from were themselves. No one was holding them hostages in dark environments. Their own beliefs and fears were creating the limits and immediate circumstances. I have never had to fight anyone in the astral in order to free myself or anyone else from something that it may have seemed against my or their wills. If you are afraid, then your frequency is extremely low, in that case if you are confronted by a negative energy, lets say external, you will not be able to shift higher because of your fear. If you are not afraid and know that light and love are most powerful, you will either simply shift away or send them love and they may accept if the time is right, or will not be able to stand it and will dissipate.
For 34+ years now... that would also be my experience, Lightbeam. :)
Quote from: Xanth on May 20, 2014, 21:54:14
For 34+ years now... that would also be my experience, Lightbeam. :)
Yes, I also want the inexperienced people who come here looking for answers and getting ready to explore, not to build fears based on earthly logic, because fears and limiting beliefs once established are very hard to concur, and may disable the capabilities of experiencing such a wonderful adventures.
Quote from: LightBeam on May 20, 2014, 21:59:58
Yes, I also want the inexperienced people who come here looking for answers and getting ready to explore, not to build fears based on earthly logic, because fears and limiting beliefs once established are very hard to concur, and may disable the capabilities of experiencing such a wonderful adventures.
I second this want. That's why I always try to quell any conversations of this type.
They do more harm than good. You are supposed to go into this practice with no expectations and then confront your fears. We know you can never really stop all of the fear completely. But understanding them and confronting them seems to dampen them quite a bit.
Being in the NPR from a point of view instead of a physical mindset makes it very hard to be attacked. Try stabbing light and see how that works out for you. :wink:
Awesomely put guys. :)
Couldn't have said it any better!
Considering how you guys try and not think about this stuff with an earthly logic... how come you deny it just because you've never seen a soul tortured? Your reasons for denying that possibility is because you've never seen it happen in your 34+ years of "experience"? ... lol. That's cute. It sounds exactly like earthly logic to me. You are trying to justify against my "earthly logic"... with earthly logic. You are truly limited. All of us are. Being unlimited means that everything is possible. If you are saying that my scenario can't happen, you are are saying that you are limited....
Quote from: AAAAAAAA on May 21, 2014, 00:42:13
Considering how you guys try and not think about this stuff with an earthly logic... how come you deny it just because you've never seen a soul tortured? Your reasons for denying that possibility is because you've never seen it happen in your 34+ years of "experience"? ... lol. That's cute. It sounds exactly like earthly logic to me. You are trying to justify against my "earthly logic"... with earthly logic. You are truly limited. All of us are. Being unlimited means that everything is possible. If you are saying that my scenario can't happen, you are are saying that you are limited....
Believe whatever you want to believe. As I said, enjoy your self created evisceration. :-)
You are your own worst enemy.
Quote from: Xanth on May 21, 2014, 00:52:48
Believe whatever you want to believe. As I said, enjoy your self created evisceration. :-)
You are your own worst enemy.
Think of it more as a "workout" rather than me being my own enemy. You can always look at it like that, but the only time I give myself a hard time is when I will learn from it. Sometimes making things easy on yourself is the thing that is harmful to you.
Quote from: AAAAAAAA on May 21, 2014, 00:57:19
Sometimes making things easy on yourself is the thing that is harmful to you.
It's not in simply making things better for yourself. It becomes truth to you only when you are ready to be shown it to be.
Quote from: Lionheart on May 21, 2014, 01:10:58
It's not in simply making things better for yourself. It becomes truth to you only when you are ready to be shown it to be.
The "truth" seems to be a subjective thing. So regardless of who is "ready" or not, the truth will always be different for each individual.
EDIT : you shouldn't twist my words. I never once said "better", I just said easier.
Quote from: AAAAAAAA on May 21, 2014, 00:42:13
Considering how you guys try and not think about this stuff with an earthly logic... how come you deny it just because you've never seen a soul tortured? Your reasons for denying that possibility is because you've never seen it happen in your 34+ years of "experience"? ... lol. That's cute. It sounds exactly like earthly logic to me. You are trying to justify against my "earthly logic"... with earthly logic. You are truly limited. All of us are. Being unlimited means that everything is possible. If you are saying that my scenario can't happen, you are are saying that you are limited....
I would accept this happens but only If seen from the 'my big TOE' point of view, with his PhysicalMatterRealities, PMR and PMR(n). N being any real number for the purpose of nuumbering realities. Non-PhisicalMatterReality., NPMRk, k being any real number. This means that there would be many almost and infinite numer more GOOD tottaly different kinds of realities, as many totaly random lower realities. So there could be another different lower NPMR experience were, 'soul torture' can occur, but certainly that'd be something completely independent for all of us. Which means that maybe you go to the place you blindly believe to go, were 'soul torture' can happen to you, if you feel you have been bad boy of course.lol.
The thing to dominate this is simple, change your beliefs, change your reality, since you say 'we are all infinite' i assume you perhaps know how each of us can go in the grander spiritual stair with its ups and downs. And how to simply Set the direction.
You can see this truth in many Succesfull Rich People as a real fact, most of them write books, take as an example Napoleon Hill if you will.
If you cant understand this, then you cant know it to be true. Perhaps its too early to start assuming that, that which happens in your dreams is hurting you and making you negative and realize its all just nightmarish stuff. (auto-subcouncious negative thought due to constant awaken negativite thought)
AAAA can you define your meaning of 'soul' within the context of your replies?
You have some valid points and some confusing one's too.
Quote from: Szaxx on May 21, 2014, 10:19:40
AAAA can you define your meaning of 'soul' within the context of your replies?
You have some valid points and some confusing one's too.
Well, when most people think of themselves, they are thinking that what they see is truly them. I would argue that your body, is not you. Your SOUL is you. To define your soul, I would tell you that you are not Szaxx, but that you hear and see everything that Szaxx does.
This next part is kind of a "gray area" if you will. Of course, I'm not saying this is fact, because I cannot really prove it. But a while back when I trained my eyes to be sensitive toward different light (speaking of auras) , I noticed that I was able to see auras, as well as the astral body. So I would also argue that your "soul" also takes the form of its own body.
Quote from: AAAAAAAA on May 21, 2014, 10:27:48
Well, when most people think of themselves, they are thinking that what they see is truly them. I would argue that your body, is not you. Your SOUL is you. To define your soul, I would tell you that you are not Szaxx, but that you hear and see everything that Szaxx does.
This next part is kind of a "gray area" if you will. Of course, I'm not saying this is fact, because I cannot really prove it. But a while back when I trained my eyes to be sensitive toward different light (speaking of auras) , I noticed that I was able to see auras, as well as the astral body. So I would also argue that your "soul" also takes the form of its own body.
I think you will find that most of us here agree in large part with what you are saying in this post. But when you invoke the idea that souls can be tortured through external means (vs. self imposed), then you start to lose people. I'm not saying that it isn't possible but I've never seen it and other than you and religious zealots, I don't know anyone who believes it. I realize that just because we don't believe in something doesn't mean that it's not possible.
But you made the claim that souls can be tortured and and I would really like to know how you came about this "fact". Did you personally see it or was it written in a book by an author that you happen to place a lot of trust in. And if you did see it, is there no room for the possibility that you were misinterpreting what you saw? Remember that what you see in the astral is based on what is transmitted as well as what is received. A corruption in either will result in faulty communication.
edit: Case in point- You seem to react with hostility every time someone says something contradictory to what you believe.
Ok. Your interpretation of the soul is the 'you' within and this 'personal unity' is an individuality of being, whether you are experiencing physical, astral or energetic environments.
It's essentially a singularity of concious awareness.
Is this what you are saying?
Quote from: Astralzombie on May 21, 2014, 15:48:29
I think you will find that most of us here agree in large part with what you are saying in this post. But when you invoke the idea that souls can be tortured through external means (vs. self imposed), then you start to lose people. I'm not saying that it isn't possible but I've never seen it and other than you and religious zealots, I don't know anyone who believes it. I realize that just because we don't believe in something doesn't mean that it's not possible.
But you made the claim that souls can be tortured and and I would really like to know how you came about this "fact". Did you personally see it or was it written in a book by an author that you happen to place a lot of trust in. And if you did see it, is there no room for the possibility that you were misinterpreting what you saw? Remember that what you see in the astral is based on what is transmitted as well as what is received. A corruption in either will result in faulty communication.
edit: Case in point- You seem to react with hostility every time someone says something contradictory to what you believe.
It's not that I react that way every time someone says something contradictory, it just feels as if the same members constantly choose me as a target. Which is fine, I guess. There are plenty of people who disagree with me, more than which have been responding to any of my posts. If I was really a hostile person, I could react to them as much as I wanted to, but ultimately... it's a trivial issue. I guess the reason why I'm still here is because discussions are still fun, regardless if anyone agrees with me or not. I still DO read everything that people message me, along with any posts that are given into response of me previous posts.
In response, I would have to ask you what you mean by "external means"? I am referring to the soul being tortured by something or someone who inhabits the same plane that the soul can freely travel in. I guess everyone on this forum would call in the NPR or something. Yeah, it's possible that I could misinterpret something. But usually it's kind of hard to misinterpret something when it's a first-hand experience. Or rather, I should say that it is interpreted in a more personal way. It's really a subjective matter. I'm also not really a fan of taking serious thought into authors. Yes, I do think about certain authors sometimes, but I like first hand experiences better than reading from books.
Quote from: Szaxx on May 21, 2014, 17:19:01
Ok. Your interpretation of the soul is the 'you' within and this 'personal unity' is an individuality of being, whether you are experiencing physical, astral or energetic environments.
It's essentially a singularity of concious awareness.
Is this what you are saying?
Yes. And just like you can get hurt in your physical conscious awareness, you can be hurt in spirit too.
A limited being conjecturing the limitless. I'd like to know how that would be possible... Sure you can draw analogies, person A in the gym can lift a 100 pound weight while person B can only lift a 70 pound weight. But then you think for example, what if person A could lift infinitely sized weights and person B could only lift 70 pounds. Well, I point out that in between the gulf of 0 and 70 there is infinity.
Quote from: AAAAAAAA on May 21, 2014, 20:14:09
It's not that I react that way every time someone says something contradictory, it just feels as if the same members constantly choose me as a target. Which is fine, I guess. There are plenty of people who disagree with me, more than which have been responding to any of my posts. If I was really a hostile person, I could react to them as much as I wanted to, but ultimately... it's a trivial issue. I guess the reason why I'm still here is because discussions are still fun, regardless if anyone agrees with me or not. I still DO read everything that people message me, along with any posts that are given into response of me previous posts.
In response, I would have to ask you what you mean by "external means"? I am referring to the soul being tortured by something or someone who inhabits the same plane that the soul can freely travel in. I guess everyone on this forum would call in the NPR or something. Yeah, it's possible that I could misinterpret something. But usually it's kind of hard to misinterpret something when it's a first-hand experience. Or rather, I should say that it is interpreted in a more personal way. It's really a subjective matter. I'm also not really a fan of taking serious thought into authors. Yes, I do think about certain authors sometimes, but I like first hand experiences better than reading from books.
Yes. And just like you can get hurt in your physical conscious awareness, you can be hurt in spirit too.
Let's try to get to the meat and potatoes of this. Perhaps we can put these fears at ease.
Exactly what kind of torturing are you eluding to that your soul can have done to it? What do you feel can happen to your soul?
Quote from: Xanth on May 21, 2014, 22:19:26
Let's try to get to the meat and potatoes of this. Perhaps we can put these fears at ease.
Exactly what kind of torturing are you eluding to that your soul can have done to it? What do you feel can happen to your soul?
Why potatoes? Anyway, the soul can be "held". Apart from that, a soul can be broken and left unable to function rationally.
Quote from: AAAAAAAA on May 21, 2014, 22:38:21
Why potatoes?
Just a couple things I love. :)
QuoteAnyway, the soul can be "held". Apart from that, a soul can be broken and left unable to function rationally.
I'm not exactly sure what those statements mean.
You mean that someone can take your soul (or I call it "consciousness") and while you're "out of body" can "trap" it so that you can not return? Is that what you mean?
And I'm unsure what it means to break a soul and leave it unable to function rationally.
If you could confirm the above and clarify the rest a bit more? We might be able to assist in alleviating this particular set of fears you have. :)
Quote from: Xanth on May 21, 2014, 22:53:34
Just a couple things I love. :)
I'm not exactly sure what those statements mean.
You mean that someone can take your soul (or I call it "consciousness") and while you're "out of body" can "trap" it so that you can not return? Is that what you mean?
And I'm unsure what it means to break a soul and leave it unable to function rationally.
If you could confirm the above and clarify the rest a bit more? We might be able to assist in alleviating this particular set of fears you have. :)
I don't really know how else to say it. Someone can create a harmful bond with you, and you wouldn't even know it.
To break a soul is just like breaking people in this more physical reality. It means to damage them. To get inside of their head and to screw around with someone in such a way that they are left with long lasting pain.
Quote from: AAAAAAAA on May 21, 2014, 23:09:32
I don't really know how else to say it. Someone can create a harmful bond with you, and you wouldn't even know it.
To break a soul is just like breaking people in this more physical reality. It means to damage them. To get inside of their head and to screw around with someone in such a way that they are left with long lasting pain.
And where did you hear that this is something that you should fear?
Quote from: Xanth on May 21, 2014, 23:15:22
And where did you hear that this is something that you should fear?
I can't answer that :| This isn't the right place.
Quote from: AAAAAAAA on May 21, 2014, 23:18:42
I can't answer that :| This isn't the right place.
Ok then.
Let's try a different angle.
I have to assume that you're only "believing" this source that tells you this information then.
Now, obviously I'm not offended if you want to believe something someone else says over us. However, what we teach here is similar to Tom Campbell... don't simply believe someone (your source, or even us) when they tell you something or when you read something. What you want to aim for is DIRECT PERSONAL EXPERIENCE of it. So for the time being... just put what has been said in a maybe category until the time comes that you have enough personal experience to "know" one way or the other.
This is why we teach. Or at least this is why *I* teach. I teach so that you may learn to have your own experiences. Only by having your own experiences are you going to be able to "KNOW" instead of simply believing. :)
QuoteIn response, I would have to ask you what you mean by "external means"? I am referring to the soul being tortured by something or someone who inhabits the same plane that the soul can freely travel in.
That's exactly what I am referring to as well. I think we can all agree that a soul or consciousness can torture themselves personally but you were referring to torture perpetuated by an outside force.
Quote
Yeah, it's possible that I could misinterpret something. But usually it's kind of hard to misinterpret something when it's a first-hand experience.
I would have to strongly disagree with this statement. We (humans) misinterpret what we see and hear all the time and often it is detrimental to a third party.
AAAAAA, there is no conspiracy to single you out and argue with you just for the sake of arguing. It's just that you make it too easy. You have made many statements in the past such as, "that's just stupid" for example. There are many more to choose from but I don't have the time or desire to dig them up.
We are a community here and like most communities we defend each other but that doesn't mean that you can't become a valued member yourself. I have already told you that we think you are highly intelligent...now, if only we could steer you away from the dark side. :lol:
Quote from: AAAAAAAA on May 21, 2014, 23:18:42
I can't answer that :| This isn't the right place.
It would be interesting to learn where you gathered this information and if it was a direct experience i would like to hear your story.
I am not going to immediately believe anything you say here because as Astralzombie suggests i do in fact believe it is very possible and to a degree quite probable that we can misinterpret something, we possibly misinterpret may things, many times a day whether it is in physical life or in the NPR. Really, it's amazing that we experience a similar enough reality to agree at all. Only those with perfect vision & perfect mind 100% of the time could suggest otherwise and even if ones such as this existed it doesn't suggest that it applies to the rest of us especially when we understand in many instances we do not have this vision and mind 100% of the time.
Years ago, i was conducting quite a deep healing session with a friend. Within this she regressed beyond birth to the other side and she believed it felt as if she incarnated in this life time before she was ready. She was at the moment of incarnation and she felt like she was pushed down the funnel and into this life. It seemed other beings pushed her. She was told she "had to go!". Whether she was experiencing herself as her soul at that time could be questioned but she was experiencing life between lives. I was there i believe what she was experiencing.
If she was experiencing her soul at that time (which i'm not 100% sure she was) then it knew fear and anxiety. Something which you'd not expect a soul to experience.
The question is even if she was experiencing her soul, was she experiencing it fully as that we identify as virtually pure spirit, consciousness, god-itself? Maybe she was experiencing a watered down version of her full soul. Either way this circumstance along with my own experiences has led me to believe other non-physical beings can certainly affect us in a multitude of ways.
Possibly in this instance because she didn't have a physical incarnation at the time it allowed a greater influence by non-physical beings. Perhaps while on this Earth plane we are protected from most malevolent beings that would do us harm and also prevented from being more influenced by the benevolent beings that might interact with us while on the other side. Personally it is my current belief that this earthly realm is indeed a training ground, one that partly serves the purpose of giving us greater power, flexibility and presence when we return to inhabit otherworlds between lifetimes and in the NPR in general.
Imagine if one was between lifetimes and indeed having the experience of having their soul tortured. It is indeed quite fathomable and very possibly related to belief system running between lifetimes but if one was to experience it (not from belief but circumstances in that environment allowed it to become reality) would lifetimes of physical experience assist one into questioning as to why this is happening? From there would it not be like waking up into a dream and allowing one to play a more interactive and conscious role and from there it is limitless as to what one could do to prevent their 'soul' from being tortured.
It's very understandable AAAAAAAA that an experience you have had has led you to this belief. Do consider that it is possibly a misinterpretation and that you don't understand everything completely to make an informed decision or belief around your experience? Sure, i would suggest holding onto it (as an experience to learn from) until you can make an informed decision as to where to place this experience in the complete scheme of things but also keep your mind open to the possibility that you have been misinformed or tricked into this idea.
i also urge other members to not write off another's experience or suggest it is just based on that members belief system just because it is different from their own experiences or belief system.
That said i am a huge believer in like attracts like and that what you will believe you will receive. i also am a huge believer in that like has the ability to cure/heal like in many instances.
Very likely that the energy one gives something is related to the hold it has on us, this is almost certainly true. That said, even if one believes something (from my experience and understanding) due to the nature of this reality it will have an effect to a lesser or greater degree. However, if the truth of reality is different to the ones belief truth will still remain true in reality no matter what.
Please AAAAAAAA, please consider telling your story and helping us understand how you arrived at your current conclusion as some members here including myself are open to an array of possibilities in this multitudinous cosmos and would like you to share your thoughts to help us further explore and understand the wider reality that we inhabit. Even if it proves scary for some...
-NM-
Quote from: newmethod on May 22, 2014, 09:36:30
It would be interesting to learn where you gathered this information and if it was a direct experience i would like to hear your story.
I am not going to immediately believe anything you say here because as Astralzombie suggests i do in fact believe it is very possible and to a degree quite probable that we can misinterpret something, we possibly misinterpret may things, many times a day whether it is in physical life or in the NPR. Really, it's amazing that we experience a similar enough reality to agree at all. Only those with perfect vision & perfect mind 100% of the time could suggest otherwise and even if ones such as this existed it doesn't suggest that it applies to the rest of us especially when we understand in many instances we do not have this vision and mind 100% of the time.
Years ago, i was conducting quite a deep healing session with a friend. Within this she regressed beyond birth to the other side and she believed it felt as if she incarnated in this life time before she was ready. She was at the moment of incarnation and she felt like she was pushed down the funnel and into this life. It seemed other beings pushed her. She was told she "had to go!". Whether she was experiencing herself as her soul at that time could be questioned but she was experiencing life between lives. I was there i believe what she was experiencing.
If she was experiencing her soul at that time (which i'm not 100% sure she was) then it knew fear and anxiety. Something which you'd not expect a soul to experience.
The question is even if she was experiencing her soul, was she experiencing it fully as that we identify as virtually pure spirit, consciousness, god-itself? Maybe she was experiencing a watered down version of her full soul. Either way this circumstance along with my own experiences has led me to believe other non-physical beings can certainly affect us in a multitude of ways.
Possibly in this instance because she didn't have a physical incarnation at the time it allowed a greater influence by non-physical beings. Perhaps while on this Earth plane we are protected from most malevolent beings that would do us harm and also prevented from being more influenced by the benevolent beings that might interact with us while on the other side. Personally it is my current belief that this earthly realm is indeed a training ground, one that partly serves the purpose of giving us greater power, flexibility and presence when we return to inhabit otherworlds between lifetimes and in the NPR in general.
Imagine if one was between lifetimes and indeed having the experience of having their soul tortured. It is indeed quite fathomable and very possibly related to belief system running between lifetimes but if one was to experience it (not from belief but circumstances in that environment allowed it to become reality) would lifetimes of physical experience assist one into questioning as to why this is happening? From there would it not be like waking up into a dream and allowing one to play a more interactive and conscious role and from there it is limitless as to what one could do to prevent their 'soul' from being tortured.
It's very understandable AAAAAAAA that an experience you have had has led you to this belief. Do consider that it is possibly a misinterpretation and that you don't understand everything completely to make an informed decision or belief around your experience? Sure, i would suggest holding onto it (as an experience to learn from) until you can make an informed decision as to where to place this experience in the complete scheme of things but also keep your mind open to the possibility that you have been misinformed or tricked into this idea.
i also urge other members to not write off another's experience or suggest it is just based on that members belief system just because it is different from their own experiences or belief system.
That said i am a huge believer in like attracts like and that what you will believe you will receive. i also am a huge believer in that like has the ability to cure/heal like in many instances.
Very likely that the energy one gives something is related to the hold it has on us, this is almost certainly true. That said, even if one believes something (from my experience and understanding) due to the nature of this reality it will have an effect to a lesser or greater degree. However, if the truth of reality is different to the ones belief truth will still remain true in reality no matter what.
Please AAAAAAAA, please consider telling your story and helping us understand how you arrived at your current conclusion as some members here including myself are open to an array of possibilities in this multitudinous cosmos and would like you to share your thoughts to help us further explore and understand the wider reality that we inhabit. Even if it proves scary for some...
-NM-
I'm not exactly open about that kind of stuff. I've shared only a few of my experiences here. Having information about myself being easily accessed online, isn't something I'm really fond of, so I keep somewhat quiet. I'm really not concerned with people believing me or not. But if I entertained you, I am always glad to do so. Sorry for being disappointing.
However, since I do like curious people, such as yourself, I will tell you something about me that may or may not (who knows?) get you closer to understanding what it is exactly that I feel. You can really sum it up in two phrases: psychic attack and psychic backlash. I will also tell you that you are spot on about a lot of stuff. One being that experiences leading up until now has shaped my belief in his whole idea that I have. It is for that very reason that I continue to believe in what I believe. If projecting and traveling with the astral body really is just a state of consciousness, then it is a reality that is no different than this "physical reality".
Reality = Reality
EDIT: Again, I'm sorry that I am not as open about my experiences as most others on this forum. There's a very fine line that separates me and other people. One must be on the same side of that line as me before I will open up to them about experiences.
AAAAAA, have you ever experienced the universal oneness?
It seems unlikely though but I'll await your answer.
If so briefly explain what you experienced.
Quote from: Szaxx on May 22, 2014, 22:24:08
AAAAAA, have you ever experienced the universal oneness?
It seems unlikely though but I'll await your answer.
If so briefly explain what you experienced.
I'm not really sure what that means. But, while in the astral, I have experienced emotions that cannot be "translated" into emotions in this more physical reality. They are emotions that would have to be converted, but can't be whilst being here. I can still feel them even when I'm not projecting, but there's no way to describe them while I'm here in this physical realm.
Ok, I guess some of these are positive feel good emotions. You'll always get bad ones, these are a part of life and should teach you something. The short sharp shock way lol.
Its your best experience I'm looking for, what was the environment percieved as?
Quote from: Szaxx on May 23, 2014, 05:20:08
Ok, I guess some of these are positive feel good emotions. You'll always get bad ones, these are a part of life and should teach you something. The short sharp shock way lol.
Its your best experience I'm looking for, what was the environment percieved as?
My best experience was in a void of some kind. More like a "vacuum" I guess. I was propelling through this vacuum with another soul. Someone who is important to me and my existence. Some other things happened, but I'm not really willing to say much more. This is where that "line" is. Anything more of this experience is specific and personal to only me. Sorry about that. I can tell you however that what happened was only partially accountable for making this, by far, my best experience. It was the combination of the occuring event AND the emotions behind them. The emotions were the ones I mentioned before that i don't know how to convert into this more physical place. I'd say it weighs out to be 35% of the occuring events and 65% of the emotions that made this my best experience. And the environment was preceived as such: black. It is almost like when you close your eyes, and you can't see anything except for black. The only difference is that this environment was darker than black. And that is something that is hard to wrap your mind around unless you've seen it before, so I would have to apologize for my lack of detail. It's not something I really know how to describe to someone.
QuoteThe only difference is that this environment was darker than black.
Makes sense enough to me.
No form nothing physically recognisable, emotional and feeling based mental communications experiences are quite rare.
Post
More after a read.
:wink:
Quote from: Szaxx on May 24, 2014, 09:26:23
No form nothing physically recognisable, emotional and feeling based mental communications experiences are quite rare.
Post
More after a read.
:wink:
No form indeed. I'd go even further than that and say that there's nothing, but everything to understand. All at the same time. It's really not something that's even worth trying to explain here. But I trust that you already understand, at least a little bit. I got your message and I'm glad that there is atleast a few other people on this forum who can relate :) I'll be happy to continue conversation via private messaging.
Quote from: Szaxx on May 22, 2014, 22:24:08
AAAAAA, have you ever experienced the universal oneness?
It seems unlikely though but I'll await your answer.
If so briefly explain what you experienced.
Have you? :-)
I've been in a blackness similar to that. (I say similar, because I don't know anything really about it.) I was actually laying next to someone close to me in the physical when it happened. It was a really strange experience. It was like the only thing that existed was my awareness of the blackness. I did't think, feel or anything while I was there, I was just aware I was there. Then waking back up in the physical was really weird. First thoughts that began to surface where "where was I, what was that?" Then I would settle back down and go back to what I had been doing before it ended up there and just go right back to that blackness. I've tried to repeat that experience, I'm not sure why I want to, but it was kind of nice having a some experience that I can't really understand.
Quote from: Ellury on May 24, 2014, 20:53:20
I've been in a blackness similar to that. (I say similar, because I don't know anything really about it.) I was actually laying next to someone close to me in the physical when it happened. It was a really strange experience. It was like the only thing that existed was my awareness of the blackness. I did't think, feel or anything while I was there, I was just aware I was there. Then waking back up in the physical was really weird. First thoughts that began to surface where "where was I, what was that?" Then I would settle back down and go back to what I had been doing before it ended up there and just go right back to that blackness. I've tried to repeat that experience, I'm not sure why I want to, but it was kind of nice having a some experience that I can't really understand.
My environment was different. I was propelling through a vacuum. There was no place to lay down. lol.