please help i've had a scary experience

[Tisha]

Hello,

You might have had an OBE, but maybe you just came very CLOSE  to having one.

When I OBE, I sometimes feel as though I am under water (fortunately I continue to breathe normally).  And when I re-join my physical body I feel as though I am coming up out of the water.   So, your feeling about being in the sea seems very normal to me.

You say you felt very numb . . . was it difficult for you to move, or were you completely paralyzed?  Did you try to fight the sensation?  If you fought it, what happened?

If this was your first time and you felt terrified, you are normal!  Most of us were terrified the first time too.

Tisha

[kifyre]

quote:Originally posted by antagonist:
[...] and my body was quite numb my heartrate went up to the point of feeling a loud beating in my head and I was quite scared because I have never experienced something like this can somebody PLEASE TELL ME WHAT I EXPERIENCED [...]

Hello antagonist,

I often can not feel parts of my body when I'm meditating. Your mind forgets about parts of your body when you're in a trance. I have not felt the speeding heart sensation, but it is described in Robert Bruce's writings. The pulsing sensation is your heart energy center, not your actual heart. If you try taking feeling your real heart, it is probably beating very slowly. I have felt other very strong sensations though.

Robert Bruce does read the forums. If you check the options above, you can choose "Robert Bruce" in the members section, and you can see where he has posted recently. You can also use the search feature to find his posts.

Mark

[astralc]

Dear antagonist (what a strange way to label youself)

Like those comments from other OOBer's, I would say that you are experiencing the preparatory stages of OOB, not the real thing. You are forcing yourself to alter your level of consciousness and have done that, partially.

May I suggest that you also push the energy down out through your feet to retain some balance of your aura. Too much head chi / energy will lead to paranoia and headaches, so please consider balancing out through your feet. With greater balance you might take a little longer to get out there but you will be heaps safe.

Astralc

[Grenade01]

Astralc:  He's not having any problems with his brow or crown energy centers, so I'm sure he doesn't need to push energy away from them.  I think the main thing is just not sending energy TO them unless for a specific rare occasion. (like an attempt at some kind of clairvoyant type thing)  In my experience, and I disgussed this with a few other people in some other post recently, you can't really easily take energy away from an area like that.  You can focus on another area and it naturally kind of draws surrounding energy to the new area, however, focusing on drawing energy from one energy center to another seems to more often actually stimulate the center your trying to surpress more.  I've really been noticing this a lot lately so I'm trying to make a point of it to see what other people think.  But I really dont think you can focus on shutting down an energy center, or on moving energy from it, because it seems any attention or awareness you give it, will actually stimulate it more.  I think this is something really important...but of course I could be wrong

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[antagonist]

The numb feeling was very odd I can only compare it to a dentist anesthetic but then in my entire body because I don't move during meditation i can't really say if I was unable to move but my limbs felt very odd.
After about 15 seconds I started to come out of it and amazed/scared as I was I just jumped up out of bed and was fully awake.

I don't do much with  Chakras I do imagine that I am focussing the energy around me into my body. but apperently I can handle it well enough for this oobe (or the beginning at least)      to happen.

one of the biggest reasons why it was scary was because I have only been meditating for 2 months now and I never experienced a real  feeling of something new happening to me.
I only used meditation for relaxation and at first didn't really believe in terms like astral projection but this experience has made me very curious and now I want to explore.

It has shown me that my body and mind are capable of doing these great things and  I will do it a lot more now.

[PeacefulWarrior]

I would recommend reading as much as you can about chakra development, etc.  RObert talks about the fact that if you haven't prepared your energy points by developing them in order, then you can experience negative sensations like the one you describe.  Please read (if you have not already) RObert's NEW ENERGY pathways- you can download it from the web page under ARTICLES.

fides quaerens intellectum

[kakkarot]

>> Grenade01 said:
I've really been noticing this a lot lately so I'm trying to make a point of it to see what other people think. But I really dont think you can focus on shutting down an energy center, or on moving energy from it, because it seems any attention or awareness you give it, will actually stimulate it more. I think this is something really important...but of course I could be wrong
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actually grenade01, i can easily move my energy about my body all the time, taking energy away from one area and moving it to another as easily as i breathe. it isn't that i focus on a different area and the energy just moves from other areas to that one, i actually grab my energy and pull/push it in the direction i want to go. but seeing as i don't use my chakras, this may be the reason as to why i can move my energy about so easily. it also might have to do with me using chi rather than whatever energy you guys use   . and before you ask, yes i can draw out energy from any area of my body so as to make that area totally devoid of any energy: i CAN do it... but i don't very often since it hurts.

personally, i am of the opinion that nearly anything can be done, i just have to learn HOW to do it  

Secret of Secrets

[astralc]

Grenade01

I agree with you, when you start moving energy about and center it in one place, such as the head, it gets very hard to then move awareness away from it. I think that in the case of Antagonist he has done just that, focused on the crown chakra too much and now it is congested. To move awareness back to the feet for balance, and this is standard pracvtice in tai chi, will take some time and practice, but it is well worth it.

Kakkarot - with practice we can do most things, and there is a lot going for not using the chakras too. There are energy centers just as potent as the chakras, such as the Alpha and Omega points, below and above the body, which are ideal for safe astral travel.

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc

[waterfall]

hi antagonist,
Its quite 'normal' to feel amny different things when even just meditating. It opens you up to many different areas that may not have been available to you before. The reason that I'm saying this is for a time in my meditation practice and going obe as a natural progression.... I would access a past life that my spiritual guides were trying to show me because it had to do with my developemnt or remembering. It was one of many where I had drowned. I would literally go into a blackness and then wake up after a time of not breathing. It really freaked me out and had me stop for a time but whenever I went back to meditating I would have this happen. It was only till after I worked through the fear that I was able to continue on. I very slowly have gained access to many past lives by remembering the death first and working back.
Theres many things that each of us as individuals will go through depending on the  past experiences of our soul. Mine are very much influenced on shaman lives and so traveling, soul assistance is very natural to me in this life.
So the main thing I want to say is move through the fear.. recognise it as a response to the unknown and move along
waterfall

[Grenade01]

kakkarot..
Im not sure Im explaining what I mean very well, because ..well its hard. Heheh
Its not that you cant move energy, because moving energy is easy... but moving energy near, past, or even from a chakra, seems to stimulate the chakra to draw in more by itself.  I know it sounds funky, but I have never been able to actually cause less energy in the chakra.  Once you stop raising energy they close up pretty fast, especially if you get up and discontinue your meditation, however, if your going to keep meditating and raising energy and this area seems to have to much in it, they often seem to stay overactive even when you focus on other areas.  

Let me present you with a situation and see what you think.  I think that when you focus on bringing energy from one area to another, very little energy that your moving is actually coming from within your body.  While I do believe energy will naturally spill over into other chakras, I believe that when you are actually Focusing the energy, most of it is most of the time coming from outside of your body.   Say Your brow is becoming overactive and a bit uncomfertable and you decide to try and move the energy down to..... the sub navel.  drawing the energy downward seems to bring in more energy from the crown and down through your brow..actually stimulating your brow more even though you meant to take the energy from your brow.  I think you are actually creating and sending new energy down there rather than taking energy from one chakra and putting it in another.  That is not to say its not possible...and im not saying you cant move energy at all. Im just saying that in my experience it seems that when using NEW in this fashion, ANY stimulation or concentration at all on an area....will cause it to become active to energy.

Hopefully that explained what I meant better.  I dont know if I'm right, but I have yet to find otherwise.  I would really like to know what Robert Bruce thinks of this

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[kakkarot]

grenade01: i think i understand what you are trying to say, but what i am trying to say is that i don't feel the chakras when i use my energy. and i also don't think i am using the same energy as you guys are because i can't "raise" my energy with the techniques described in the treatise. the only way i can get more energy is by going to a park, or another area where i can sense lots of energy, and collecting it from there (although these days i don't usually have the time to stop in the parks so i just absorb energy as i walk through them). i had never even heard of chakras until this past year (i have been using chi for about 5 and 1/2 years now), so that is why i don't ACTIVELY use them. sure i may unconsciously use them, but i doubt it since i can feel everything that happens in my body/spirit, and i can't feel anything like them being used.

so i guess my post was put up stupidly; gomen.

~kakkarot

Secret of Secrets

[Grenade01]

haha

No I know what you mean though
Ive often felt a natural charge from being in nature or concentrating on a large tree or something like that.  its different a different feeling, but similar
much more mellow energy i think


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[antagonist]

last night I was meditating
I started with tensing of the muscles
and then i started doing breath control for a while
I use different techniques to descend in my mind to a trance
one is visualising a white cone above me with a number  the number
being the amout of breaths i had taken,  and another is visualising a ladder
after doing that for like 20 minutes i started the rope technique I personly
imagine a ladder that I am climbing on and during this process I got a strange
feeling ,I felt like being in the sea with warm parts and cold parts floating
by ,and my body was quite numb my heartrate went up to the point of feeling a loud
beating in my head and I was quite scared because I have never experienced something like this
can somebody PLEASE TELL ME WHAT I EXPERIENCED  
was it a deep trance or an OBE i am 16 years old an live in Holland
so english is not my native language please excuse me for the lack of grammar.

PS does that mr Robert Bruce read the forums ?