plese help me

[bxts]

hello   

please help me, i think i am at begining of OBe and it is scarying me. 

here is story:
last week i had very difficult exame and i was studying hard for it, that day i have taken one red bull, two cups of coffee and some medicine to improve my conectration and memory (normal prtactice when i am at exams), then by night me and my frinds smoked marijuana. at that moment i felt something spinning inside, below my stomach, then i closed my eyes and spinning became mpre intense so it could be visible, because my body was smoothly moving im tact with that vibration (spinning). it was somethng descibed in Robert Monroe book. i thought i was at the beginning of obe. so i decided to give me to that vibration, i closed my eyes and it was very strange because when i usually close my eyes and keep them closed closd for a wile i see everything black. at that moment it was GREY, spinning was becoming stronger and then i felt my body vibrating at very very hight frequence, it was somethng very scarying but at the same time somethong very interesting and exciting. by the  end i felt myself vibrating at very terrible way, then i have noticed that my heartbeart gone very high, it was something like 170 bpm (i am 21 yo). then we called abulamnce and the rest of the night i spent at hospital...

and yesterday while i was smoking a joint i felt that vibrations again, but i didnt close my eyes, because i didnt whant to get that taquicardia again..

so pleae tell me what is happening, i am really scared and need your help..

thank you

[Awakened_Mind]

Marijuana increases heart rate as does the caffine present in the red bull. While it's possible to link your experience into something related to an OBE, I would be more inclined to believe that it was not. Marijuana drains the energy body, it also will seriously inhibit your ability to enter a trance state where vibrations are felt.

Don't be afraid of OBE's. It is inherent in human nature to be afraid of the unfamiliar. The fact that tar is building on your lungs should be a lot more scary.

-Awankened_Mind

[Zarklon]

Hmm.. interesting that you say Marijuana drains your energy body while for me.. it seems to enhance mine. When doing energy work to someone I can feel what I'm doing with the energy much easier as long as I do it within the first half hour of smoking.. I do believe I have a harder time going OBE while high on it but I'm willing to bet I'm just doing something wrong since I have trouble going OBE while sober anyway.. I'm one of the ones that is actually using the herb for spiritual purposes and so far its the best medicine for my depression and it definately enhances my ability to think deeply about something and be more creative as well as increase my ability to visualize something. 

I dont know about it draining your energy body.. could you elaborate on that for me please?

[Awakened_Mind]

Marijuana like alchohol is a depressent. It slows down your responses to external stimuli and you brain will process information faster. Within the first half hour of smoking is the most intoxicated state of marijuana. THC (the constituent of marijuana that effects you) will effect your perception of reality. Seeing it through our own eyes is often unclear enough without the use of recreational drugs.

Marijuana makes people sit down and "chill out". Some people can still walk around normally but generally speaking it drains energy, which is why you'll find it harder to project after smoking. You may feel energy bodies more because marijuana allows people into a frame of mind outside the norm. I would say "thinking deeply" is just a misconception of a different state of mind. While under the influence it is a lot easier for your subconscious mind to believe that the energy body is in fact real. While you are "thinking outside the box".

Marijuana is not a spiritual herb and it should not be advertised as one.

-Awakened_Mind

[bxts]

i am afraid of get that tachicardia again at the final of my experience..

by the way, i notived that i only feel this spinning only when i am in slightly horizontal position, once i sit up and lay down spinning stop...


what should i feel and do when vibratons go to their maximum?

[Awakened_Mind]

Vibrations differ in people. While people interpret them subjectively, in essence I believe them to be virtually the same with everyone. The differences can arise in the flow of energy. I've dealt with people in the past before who IMO have blocked energy systems. Their vibrations were generally more uncomfortable than those who had healthier systems. My vibrations are not uncomfortable at all. When you experience vibrations, you will be very inclined to focus on the vibrations. Ignore them, they are just a sign you projected double is being generated/prepared to exit.

Vibrations will be at their maximum the moment before exit. You will know when you are experiencing vibrations. They are quite noticable.

Have you ever experienced vibrations before? Where are you in projection attempts?

-AM

[Zarklon]

Bxts , what I suggest doing when you feel the actual vibrations is to try to will them on even stronger.. this could be a good thing or a bad thing.. meaning.. sometimes by trying to actively control the vibrations you sometimes wake yourself up and they go away all together but if you do it just right you can control them until they are increasing ever so much and I find it much easier after I've increased the vibrations to a certain extent to leave the body because once they are that strong its harder to wake my body out of the paralysis state and youll know when they are strong enough to exit the body eventually.  The way I make them stronger is simply focusing on the actual feelings they give me .. not so much focusing on the part of the body you feel them at but more of feeling the actual sensations they give you and you sort of naturally make them stronger if you focus on them with the intent of making them increase..  You might notice that all of a sudden you start seeing through your eyelids once they get strong enough and then its just a matter of trying one of many techniques to leave your body at that point.  At least , thats how it works for me sometimes.

Awakened_Mind
I dont condone the use of Marijuana to anyone because I've seen how its had definate negative impacts on my life but I certainly can't believe at this point that Marijuana is not something that can be used for spiritual purposes as long as you have a good mindset about it and explore it a certain way.  It has helped me spiritually much more than I can explain but I will say that I cant remember a time I've used it to actually project.. but it has given me very creative ideas on coming up with some exit techniques and definately is good for me when I try to do energy work on myself.  Thanks for your input and explanation.

[bxts]

Have you ever experienced vibrations before? Where are you in projection attempts?

-AM

i have experieced strong vibrations only once, and i have experienced twice very light vibrations but i dint let them flow... 

btw, yesterday my doctor said i have some strangre thngs happening to my heart, it loses the rhytm sometimes, so no i have some medicine to take and i think now i will not have problems with my heart when i will try again. nos i am not afraid, now i am curious 

[catmeow]

bxts

I developed similar probs with my heart and was told to avoid caffeine, which fixed the problem.  Red bull is incredibly packed with caffeine. It's the quivalent of about 10 strong cups of coffee. You should avoid all caffeine substances completely (if your doctor hasn't told you to do so already he should be shot). This includes coffee, tea, chocolate and most importantly red bull.  Knock off the caffeine completely for 2 weeks and see what happens with your heart beat.  Avoid alcohol too.  I'd knock off the weed too, that increases your heart beat too.  Did you see a doctor or a consultant cardiologist?