Is porn destructive for spiritual growth?
I've been wondering this for a while, and I just wanted to hear peoples points of view.
NO I don't think so. but don't deplete your sexual energy too much as it serves as a food for your higher chakras. Too much sex and sexual suppression is both a hindrance to spiritual evolution. Moderation is the key
Thanks. That makes me feel a bit better. So sexual suppression is also bad for you?
YES sexual suppression causes blockage in the navel and root chakra. while too much sex will weaken them too. Snap out from religious conditioning that sex is dirty unless you are married, sexual guilts causes blockage too
Quote from: mon9999 on March 14, 2010, 13:17:01
Snap out from religious conditioning that sex is dirty unless you are married, sexual guilts causes blockage too
I'm a Christian and I actually agree with this.
There's no
direct verse in the Bible that says premarital sex is a sin.
If you read the OT there's countless stories of men that had concubines in addition to their wives (King Solomon for one).
And yet there was no direct condemnation from God or anyone else. Many Christians try to explain this away but they mostly fail with weak arguments like "those were different times back then". Thats hogwash, God does not change, whats a sin today ought to be a sin thousands of years ago
how much is too much?
yeah, twice a day, may be?
if every energy center is a mind
and every mind is a universe
then you can use the energy on site in the right place
or rob your people to feed the solar plexus and so on you could drain 6 universes of all there wealth just to feed the crown
and one day when your head glows like a 3 pence light bulb you could be safe in the knowledge that you sacked your own lands
you know what they say if you don't use it you loose it
:NoY:
Twice a day will cause hair growth on the palms of your hands. Beware.
QuoteThere's no direct verse in the Bible that says premarital sex is a sin.
Although there is one saying a woman should be killed if she's not a virgin at marriage
Anyway I shouldn't have to debunk religious nuttery, but arousal is my best means of telepathy. Being aroused while tired puts your mind in a very alert - yet very relaxed - state. They say it's common for guys to wake up from AP with an erection.
this is my view:-
Firstly as soon as iget a girlfriend my projections treble and i poject a lot more.
ok mabye you could just call it satisfaction
but i feel as if i project more because i get more sex.
i rember monroe sayin that sexual desire takes on an ego of its own once you leave the body and this causes problems and makes projections less succeful.
i feel as if "good sex" and "bad sex" should be considered.
firstly having sex with some one you love
having sex not because your horny but because you care for the person you having it with and thus sex becomes alot more than sexual satisfaction instead it feels more like a union or joining of two lovers even for that split second
i would call this good sex and i dont think there can be an excess amount of good sex only a lack of it
on the other hand bad sex is
sex with some one you dont love or with someone who does nt really want sex with you for love but just for money or sexual desire.
bad sex includes cheating i think it could also be classed as having a two way heart what i mean is the feling of where you feel stuck in the middle between loving one person and loving another.
of this i feel every stray thought is excessive
wanking is a class of its own
i think masterbation is good and bad for example i think unlike sex masterbation draains away your energy but if you dont masterbate you can feel the energy accumalte in the base charka and cause problems in projecting.
as long as the fantasy you use to get of on is good then so be it but if its about underage sex or about another woman other than the woman your with then this becomes bad
i dont think the negative things of sexual desire inhibit projections longterm but i think they can leave a mark that causes problems for a long short time peroiod lol
I use sex magick all the time. Of course it's not the only way I practice ritual, it's good to be balanced. But 'the act', be it alone or with a partner or even many, generates a massive energy surge (which we feel physically as an orgasm). When your attention is focused on a specific object or ritual during that moment the energy in channeled in that direction. Very powerful magick indeed.
It ought to be said that while sex itself is not "bad", the intent involved should be considered. Now, I'm not saying any intent is necessarily bad, just consider a spiritual practice like tantra vs. debbie does dallas. Can you see the difference?
Quote from: abadboy on March 14, 2010, 18:39:32
Twice a day will cause hair growth on the palms of your hands. Beware.
I heard that is only true if you masturbate directly with your hands. So find something or preferably someone to rub up against instead... :lol:
Honestly though, take a look at the original question - is PORN destructive. Personally, having seen porn for decades now, I'd say that much of today's porn has bad intent. I won't go into the details, but if you've watched any, you'll know what I mean. Back in the day, a lot of porn was just people having sex in a natural manner, but now violence and fetishism seems to predominate - not very sexy IMO, just about control and power issues in the end. Truth is, a great deal of porn is not about sex.
So....sex is fine in moderation, but porn? Hmm...
Quote from: personalreality on March 14, 2010, 21:36:58
I use sex magick all the time. Of course it's not the only way I practice ritual, it's good to be balanced. But 'the act', be it alone or with a partner or even many, generates a massive energy surge (which we feel physically as an orgasm). When your attention is focused on a specific object or ritual during that moment the energy in channeled in that direction. Very powerful magick indeed.
It ought to be said that while sex itself is not "bad", the intent involved should be considered. Now, I'm not saying any intent is necessarily bad, just consider a spiritual practice like tantra vs. debbie does dallas. Can you see the difference?
Is it possible in AP to think about a supermodel, have her appear and then have sex with her??
That be really cool if it were possible :evil:
Quote from: Fresco on March 14, 2010, 22:27:01
Is it possible in AP to think about a supermodel, have her appear and then have sex with her??
That be really cool if it were possible :evil:
Only if you can visualize her perfectly and not get too excited such that you wake up :roll:
Porn can be destructive, just as alcohol or food or television or computer games can. A great deal depends on the kind of porn, what you're thinking about when you look at it, how much energy you're pouring into it, and so forth. It's only a problem if it's a problem, basically.
Anything can be destructive...
It's how you use it that determines it's destructiveness.
Quote from: Xanth on March 15, 2010, 12:07:56
Anything can be destructive...
It's how you use it that determines it's destructiveness.
Like friction burns?
Google 'Tantric Sex'
It says sexual energy can be transformed to healing energy and stored in the chakras..
Interesting.. But the catch is 'sperm retention' and the bonus is 'multiple orgasams'!!
Never heard of Tantric sex, new one on me. Haven't been in a relationship for 6 years.
Due to parents I suppose, I've always seen sex as a bad thing. Could never shrug it off, even now I'm an adult. Was concerned it would hinder my spiritual growth.
O, and that hairy palms thing, hilarious :lol:
Pray at night that you can find a partner that you can grow spiritually with.
Or conjure up some magical love spell and sprinkle the cutest girl you see with it.
Here is a great video regarding the subject of AP and sexual energy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w70QjEs7QQ . I agree with him completely. Basically use your sexual energy for the sake of love, not solely to get your rocks off.
QuoteIt's only a problem if it's a problem, basically.
Most obvious statement of the day :wink: If it helps you relax and does not interfere with your mental processes or your focus, then it might actually help. I don't defend it though really because I for one (even though Im a guy) don't watch porn... I always have preferred the real thing. There comes a time though when you realize it (sex) is not the most important thing in the world, and at the same time you do not want to become addicted because believe me you can. Any addiction really does screw with your focus, and your ability to project. For instance I'm a smoker, (the longest I have quit for is about half a year) and I have to tailor my attempts around my habit. For instance before I lay down to project I have to smoke before I do so, if I dont I can not even focus on the task at hand until I do. On top of that addictions will interfere with your sleep cycle, your body when craving that addiction will wake you up out of a dead sleep so you can fulfill that addiction. Just something to think about.
The question answers itself :roll:. All the rest is just pretence and self justification.
I can only speak from my experience, but I can say that I am very hormonal and when I am "horny" it is very hard for me to focus on proper meditation, and I will usually get up and fap when I should be meditating...fapping turns to web surfing, and web surfing turns to distraction, such as playing video games, watching Youtube, etc. Now I'm definitely not saying looking at porn causes you to always lose focus so much you start doing other distracting stuff, just that's how it is for me. Also happens when I'm trying to sleep.
And I've always hated the notion that sexuality is a "sin" because "God" says so...being a pagan I have a lot to disagree with Christians about, since we've been persecuted by them for too long. I don't mean to complain about unrelated issues, sorry. Bottom line is, sex and fapping can be wonderful things, but too much sex and fapping can lead to distractions and thoughts about stuff other than spiritual awakening.
That said, I have a very personal relationship with my guardian angel, who takes the form of a beautiful, winged maiden in a white gown. I have always wanted to be so good at astral projection, that I can be so close to her that me and her can "do it."
Thanks for feed back. So this gist of it is, is ok, as long as it's not over the top.
QuoteThanks for feed back. So this gist of it is, is ok, as long as it's not over the top.
Basically yes.
Also I have a fetish probably no one else on the entire world has, making it nearly impossible for "normal" porn to satisfy me...hence the reason for my dislike of normal porn, besides its profane and vulgar (and often abusive) nature - too much cussing, females acting abusive to the viewer (the THOUGHT alone that being verbally abused is a turn-on makes me wanna hurl!) and the fact that a lot of female pornstars are (in my opinion) quite ugly...they may have sensually-appealing bodies but often their faces are harsh and probably prematurely aged from hard drug use (considering the seedy, gutter nature of most porn.)
I'm more of a hentai guy myself when I DO watch porn, but that's because anime women have an angelic beauty, innocence and sexiness all at once...MUCH better imho than "real life" porn. Well then again perhaps I'm biased since my guardian angel appears to me as an anime/manga girl.
My thoughts exactly... (http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/2/15/633702854879669760-AnimeGirls.jpg)
Quote from: XxGuardianKnightxX on March 23, 2010, 09:20:21
Basically yes.
Also I have a fetish probably no one else on the entire world has, making it nearly impossible for "normal" porn to satisfy me...hence the reason for my dislike of normal porn, besides its profane and vulgar (and often abusive) nature - too much cussing, females acting abusive to the viewer (the THOUGHT alone that being verbally abused is a turn-on makes me wanna hurl!) and the fact that a lot of female pornstars are (in my opinion) quite ugly...they may have sensually-appealing bodies but often their faces are harsh and probably prematurely aged from hard drug use (considering the seedy, gutter nature of most porn.)
I'm more of a hentai guy myself when I DO watch porn, but that's because anime women have an angelic beauty, innocence and sexiness all at once...MUCH better imho than "real life" porn. Well then again perhaps I'm biased since my guardian angel appears to me as an anime/manga girl.
My thoughts exactly... (http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/2/15/633702854879669760-AnimeGirls.jpg)
I bet you all your star warz guys that you're not the only one on this planet with whatever fetish that is. :)
That's just about a guarantee.
Quote from: Xanth on March 23, 2010, 10:13:09
I bet you all your star warz guys that you're not the only one on this planet with whatever fetish that is. :)
That's just about a guarantee.
Wow you think? That's awesome! I guess you're right.
And yes I do love Star Wars...the Jedi Order has really influenced my own personal spirituality :)
That's just a saying my gf and I use when we want to bet one a sure thing. LOL
I'd just like to add, I agree that moderation is key. I started having dreams that I may be thinking about sex too much and I started to abstain for a couple days. Your really notice the energy increase. I've found every few days is good to release, although monks have been known to abstain for year and year, converting all that energy into the higher centers.
That sounds cool. I think I've tried this and lasted about 3 days.
Quote from: c0sm0nautt on March 25, 2010, 01:35:30
I'd just like to add, I agree that moderation is key. I started having dreams that I may be thinking about sex too much and I started to abstain for a couple days. Your really notice the energy increase. I've found every few days is good to release, although monks have been known to abstain for year and year, converting all that energy into the higher centers.
Are you talking about abstaining from sex in the astral world, or the physical world??
Or both??
I'm talking mainly about masturbation in the physical world. I only have sex in the physical on a weekly basis or so. Never had astral sex. I read it is on some many more levels. :-o
I think sex can be a beautiful thing, but, the kind of sex that populates the internet is some of the unhealthiest, and lowest forms of it you can find. Absolutely degrading to the spirit. However, it is normal for young people to struggle with lust and sexuality. Luckily, at the age where lust is running rampant and free (teen years), it is common for people to have energy to spare, so it's not as damaging to be constantly throwing it away. As you get older, that energy is harder to come by and must be cared for.
There are few things in the world, more spiritually destructive than constantly spending your energy on physical gratification, which is expressed through our lowest chakra, muladhara. Our energy wants to flow downwards, as water flows downwards, simply because it is easier. What I mean by that is, we get urges, because our energy tends towards the easiest way to attain satisfaction. Only through our effort and will to progress spiritually, can we bring our energy to serve higher purposes. When you bring your sexuality under control, naturally, your energy rises, and can be channeled into higher forms of expression.
All that being said, I do think that the physical sensations of sex that we lust for are not wrong in themselves. If we have a healthy approach to sex, we can enjoy the physical pleasure, without falling victim to lust.
This is my experience and opinions on this matter, and I know it may be aggravating to read, as many people (myself included) are attached to having sexual gratification more often than is healthy. We're human afterall.
I suggest you read up on some Taoist material. Taoists have a very comprehensive look on sexuality as it relates to spirituality.
I had sex yesterday afternoon and 2 hours later I had a very difficult time going into a trance, which usually only takes me 5-10 minutes or so. So there's definitely something to the sex/energy loss theory :-(
Quote from: Fresco on April 01, 2010, 08:59:51
I had sex yesterday afternoon and 2 hours later I had a very difficult time going into a trance, which usually only takes me 5-10 minutes or so. So there's definitely something to the sex/energy loss theory :-(
There could have been any number of 'reasons' behind why you had a difficult time getting to the trance state.
You simply can not deduce that the lack of trance was brought on due to having a sexual experience that one time.
This is something, quite literally, you'll have to try several times and see what happens.
Quote from: Xanth on April 01, 2010, 12:08:50
There could have been any number of 'reasons' behind why you had a difficult time getting to the trance state.
You simply can not deduce that the lack of trance was brought on due to having a sexual experience that one time.
This is something, quite literally, you'll have to try several times and see what happens
OK, so what is a normal amount of sex per week for the average AP'er??
I know everyone is different, but whats the range??
Because I get antsy if I dont get at least 1 boink per day, especially in the summer
I believe there is an average or 'healthy' (to keep things flowing clear) amount, but a health site would be a better source than us.
During a lecture one "spiritual person" once advised our group, focusing obviously on the males, "If you really want sex then don't beat your meats, go find a hole." This was in response to a man asking the very same question posed here, and yes, this person was a female.
Tough to generalize since each person is different, but the old saying about moderation being the key to health and happiness seems to be wise advice. Again, I have to emphasize that porn and sex don't have a one to one relationship in my mind. When I have sex with my girlfriend I don't consider it pornographic, but rather loving, and god forbid, even a bit lusty at times.
So sex once a day would be OK then, for the average person wanting to excel in astral projection??
Quote from: CFTraveler on April 01, 2010, 18:17:37
I believe there is an average or 'healthy' (to keep things flowing clear) amount, but a health site would be a better source than us.
Oh, I dunno... who better to ask than a bunch of computer geeks on a innerwebz forum! :D
I had sex thursday, friday and this morning but was still able to do normal trance and meditation.
So for me sex once a day is not a hindrance in regards to AP
Quote from: Fresco on April 03, 2010, 14:07:25
I had sex thursday, friday and this morning but was still able to do normal trance and meditation.
So for me sex once a day is not a hindrance in regards to AP
Ok, now you're just gloating. ;)
Quote from: Xanth on April 03, 2010, 14:34:27
Ok, now you're just gloating. ;)
If I dont get it at least once a day I get grumpy as hell, and can quite possibly become violent :lol:
(just kidding about the violent part)
Being abstinent to masturbation and especially orgasms increases the sexual attraction to women massively and gives you a great body feeling and makes the mind clearer on a hard to describing way.
I tried it out for about 15 days and it was really funny to get touched by and to snuggle with all this girls and not to be addicted or sexually triggered by this situations. Its just like you are some kind of mellow and this venusian part of body and soul become some kind of toy than they are a burden of the body that limit the natural behaviour of someone in contact with the own sexuality or girls / women.
Just try it out :-)
PS: There is a book, that does not especially deal with this topic, but contains it in an important way Eckhart Tolle - Now
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Power-Now-Guide-Spiritual-Enlightenment/dp/0340733500/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1270408463&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Power-Now-Guide-Spiritual-Enlightenment/dp/0340733500/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1270408463&sr=8-1)