Please help!

[kerbe6]

Hello

I too had problems problems projecting after my first OBE.  The first time seemed easy, and I was so eager to do it again.  I was unable to repeat project again for quite a while..until I realized what the problem was: fear.

I was scared of a few things, 1. Encounters with bad/evil entities in the astral. 2. Fear of not being able to project a second time.  The first one swas easy to take care of.  I just had to make myself believe that I would not be harmed by any evil entities.

The second fear took me a while to realize.  I think it was the biggest problem though, and the day after I realized that I was afraid I wouldnt't project again, I had another successful projection.

You must know that you can project again, make it a fact to yourself that you can, and WILL do it again.      

This may not be your problem, but in case it is, I hope this helps.

Namaste,
Kerbe6

[Andali27]

That may be the reason but I'm not scared.  I was at the beginning and that kind of thing but I convinced myself that wasn't to worry about.  If that is the case, and I'm afraid of some things, like not being able to get back in or having some evil spirity thing take over me while 'I'm' away, how can I convince myself not to fear because I want to do it but can never go all the way.  I mean, that first time, I could do it partway so what could have occured since then to stop me? [?] I don't know.

Any hints or ideas to help me along?  I really need them.

*Andali*[]

[Rastus]

Go with the trappings.  Put up wards before you attempt to project.  This will reassure you that you have protection inplace while your gone (it's like locking the doors to your house).  Try projecting to just the room your physically in, this way your still in the wards, and should have nothing to fear.

I think its common after the first time to go "$#@&*(&%$$" this stuff is real.  Kind of like the first time you drive on a freeway and notice your doing 75 MPH, when before you done mostly 45 on side roads.

[Andali27]

Wards?  If that's witchcraft and stuff like that, I don't do that.

I just want to project because it's something I've wanted to do for ages.

*Andali*

[Rastus]

Did I say witchcraft?  Noooooooooo.

Wards as in barriers.  It's a ubiquitous term for metaphysical defenses.  Shields in Star Trek lingo.

If you can project energy, then you can block energy.  Just seach the forums, there are numerous descriptions, or PM me and I can think of  a few distinctly non-wiccan types of barriers.

[Andali27]

Thanks.  I've PMed you so answer me back either that way or on the board.  Thanks!

*Andali*

[Nay]

Hey Andali27 []

First thing is............practice.  

Sounds like you are on track but please do not get side tracked with ideas of scary stuff, if you tend to think too much about it, no doubt it will mess things up.   Not in just the fact that you won't want to get out of your physical but it will bring all sorts of scary stuff your way..[]  

So my advise is just to keep doing what you're doing and don't get discouraged if it doesn't work at first.

I would also suggest that you check out the new energy ways, if you haven't already. [^]

Nay

[SpectralDragon]

Here is what I believe your problem is: you are too excited, and you are too expectant.

when your emotions go haywire like that control over your astral body is lost for most people who are beggining. The idea is to clear your mind first. It is not a good idea to expect a projection until you learn a lot more control either, as a begginer will mess up the natural flow of a projection doing this.

Check out cube's thread on how to project every morning. This should fight off the excitement and expectancy as you will already be in a sleep state when attempting to project.

[Seven]

I agree that wanting to AP too much can be a hindrance, I have been hung up here myself for a while.  I have had a couple of experiences, the furthest I got (apart from an accidental AP whilst meditating a few years ago and some other experiences when I was younger and didn't realize I was AP[], ) was getting tangled up by my wardrobe lol.

I definitely agree that you should read NEW Energy Ways; I have just started reading it and have no doubt that I will project easily very soon now.  I have been aware for a while that I had a blockage in the solar plexus area but no idea how to clear it - the last week or so I had been waking up feeling like I had been punched there [B)], it was very sore.  This is now going, as well as other blockages I didn't know I had.  In fact I think I would have been able to AP last night as my body was so full of energy I felt like I was floating and it would have been so easy to just float right out of my body, but I had had a drink & a smoke [] so was a little wary of going all the way in case the indulging sent me to nasty places... (otherwise I am not scared).

I had an interesting LD a short while ago as well - I was driving a car up a hill which got steeper and steeper until it was vertical, I was trying to keep my feet on the pedals and change to a lower gear whilst hanging on to the sides of the car (through the open windows), then I realized I was dreaming.  My usual technique from an LD (this is the only way I have been able to leave as yet) is once I realize I am dreaming (and usually I raise my hands into the air at this point) I shout out: "RAISE MY VIBRATIONS NOW!"  This generally does the trick, I feel myself spinning round and round on my back accompanied by a rush of air in my ears like being in the middle of a whirlwind, then I can leave my body.  On this occasion (and one other similar) it didn't work, and no wonder! When I opened my eyes and checked my physical body all my muscles were tensed up as if I didn't trust to let go of the car.

This dream, after a few days thinking about it, gave me the realization that:

a) I am on an uphill road because I haven't learned to let go

b) All I have to do is to learn to let go and trust my higher self to look after me

c) Let go of the physical, as the physical laws do not apply in the astral. (if I had done this, I would have got further than my wardrobe on the last occasion as well!)

In other words, the road does not have to go steeply uphill if you can learn to let go.  In my dream I should have let go of the car and trusted, rather than knowing without trusting (i.e. I couldn't bring myself to let go of the car).  But next time hopefully I will!

I hope this helps, and I definitely think you should read NEW to get your energy up and balanced before trying again, this should only take you a day or two to get started; my energy went way up after just one day on this (yesterday was day 2), and you will probably project without even having to think about it, as I am sure I would have last night if I hadn't stopped it.

[Selski]

Seven

Just to say the bit about getting tangled in the wardrobe really made me laugh.  

I have been trying to go through my wardrobe a number of times now, to see if I end up in Narnia (The Lion, The Witch & The Wardrobe) and I too keep get tangled up in mine!!!

I'm glad it's not only me who has ridiculous experiences!!!

Sarah

[Seven]

Yeah, well, I probably should have willed myself through or around the wardrobes, or flown through, but stupidly tried to walk as I would in the physical, thereby getting hopelessly tangled up, not to say frustrated!  Maybe I should write down an intent to go through the wardrobe - I always liked the idea of Narnia too!

[Rastus]

Seven:  Getting out of the closet is probably the most difficult step in OOBE (I am absolutely sorry, such a GREAT straightline [] )

I've never had a problem with ignoring real world physics.  Last night I had a 1/2LD, which is where you do strange and unusual things without thinking.  In my case, willing the car to into the verticle so I can go past the traffic, and never think about it.

Reality checks or so hard when your reality is so strange to start with

[Omnigod0101]

quote:Reality checks or so hard when your reality is so strange to start with

- Amen

[Seven]

Hi Rastus,

I hope you don't mind but I sent you an email earlier.
Anyway, my problem was my mind was fixed in the physical: I was worried if I didn't hang on to the car and change gear the car would either flip over or plummet straight down!  Which obviously makes a nonsense of trying to hang on to the damn thing but I can't be held responsible for my dreams!  I think there were hidden meanings in it though and hopefully I can overcome this physical barrier soon.

After spending 30-odd years being taught to condition my mind to be logical and to think of several things at once, it is hard to wipe out this "programming" in one go!

Awareness, or trying to stop my mind chattering, is another thing I have problems with at the moment.  The more I try and focus and be aware, the more I realize I am not! LOL I even left all my shopping outside the front door all day earlier this week.

[Andali27]

Thanks everyone for giving me some tips.  I really appreciate it. It's true I've been setting myself a time when to do it instead of just letting it come.  I know I can do it because of that half time before but other things creep up and somehow keep me from projecting.

Actually, last night I tried and I usually use the white noise technique just setting my radio to between channels.  I can relax and go all numb and everything but I can't seem to quiet down my mind and that divertes my concerntration from my breathing and I end up dozing.  In fact, two nights in a row, I've fallen asleep but it didn't feel like sleep.  I didn't dream but woke up about an two or three hours later realizing I hadn't switched off my radio.

I don't know if I'm projecting without knowing it but I like to think so though doubt it.

I don't really understand all the chakra talk and was wondering if you have to activate those before you can project?

Also, one of my friends is attempting to do it.  How should she start and is it possible for two people that can AP to meet up somewhere and actually see each other?

Again, thanks so much for the advice and I hope these new questions don't trouble you guys too much.

*Andali*

P.S. Before I tried this, my friend and I tried some Telepathy and Telekinetics with minimal results.  Would one of my problems be expecting that I will be able to do this when I want to and not letting 'nature take it's course' so to speak?[?]

[Andali27]

I've been trying for soooo long and after one almost successful attempt I wasn't able to repeat it.

Since then I've had all these problems in getting out again.

Last night was another problem.  I was laying there and went all numb and I was kind of rocking side to side.  I opened my eyes and I could see the roof (in the dark cause it has stars on it), moving like I was.

After that my heart/chakra thing began to beat real fast and the whole thing died down and didn't come back though I was relaxed and all that and knew what was happening, it still faded away and wasn't coming back so I stopped.

I can't make the seperation again though the first time I did it on accident and was day dreaming at the time but I can't seem to re-create that though I only game 30cms off my pillow that time.

Please give me some advice!  I really want to do this.

*Andali*[?]