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Originally posted by jallyn
Is there hope...or should I take up drinking? -jallyn
There's ALWAYS hope! I would suggest you hang around here and interact with everyone on a daily basis to help keep your mind on your intent.
Plus, it's always good to read about other people's advice and experiences. As far as wondering if you SHOULD try and get out because of your track record, well, just remember that 'what goes around, comes around,' so try and don't do anything stupid just because you can. =)
I know that for me at least, the temptation to mess with people while 'out' is highly temping, because I've done it before. But over time, you start to realize it's kind of pointless, and that we should probably be doing more constructive things with our time.
Hello,
Welcome Jallyn. You've sparked a very very strong curiosity amongst me. Jeff Mash if your out and about...I could definitely use your help as well. Jallyn, you've stated that you have gone into other physical people, with and without them there. Could you please go into more detail. Could you try to answer my questions. If someone were to go in you while you were there, could they take control over your body? What about taking control of your mind? If you've gone into people how can they get back in? I've had the feeling of being pushed out of my body or overtaken (so to speak) but I've faught it off. What do you think this is? People on this forum state that one cannot over take one's body but for some reason I'm still skeptical. I've heard that your body and your being have a certain fingerprint (identity) and that you can only gain access. I'm very curious to know what you guys as well as others have to say. I've had O.B.E. "feelings" but haven't exited due to thinking that somwthing is waiting to take over...not pleasant. I'm sure that I've had another entity inside of me and I struggled so much with my own sanity to keep me there in control. I don't know forsure, but I'm always conscientious.
Rusty
Jeff Mash, thanks for the positive thoughts. Rusty,It is hard for me to explain. I have never experienced any of the 'symptoms' of AP that I can recall, not even when deliberately trying. It's always just been an instantaneous kind of thing that I've always done (or rather has happened). I've been told by one source that it was connected to the Native American bloodline in our family (lots of folks in the family have done it, even those who don't believe it possible), and by another that I was meant to be a shaman. I was never within another for very long. It was extremely odd, like trying on clothes that don't fit (except with the animal, that was different, quite comfortable). I was once within a young girl: night, returning or going with a young man, got out of the car, snowing, tingling cold, running and playing and falling. Bang, over. She was unusually happy. I was once within a man: he was having or had just completed intercourse with this woman, his arms and legs didn't fit, I was transfixed by physical sensations in places I didn't have, but the feel and smell of her were unpleasant (guess I'm straight). This time, someone else was nearby, yelling and screaming that I couldn't do this. Don't know if it was him or another; didn't care. Was distracting me from my immediate interest. Then, bang, over. Once 'communicated' (?) with a young man: in a room, over a club or party, constant bump-bump from below, he drinking a beer, sitting on bed, loading gun, mumbling to self, I watching the TV on in the room, could see all the pixels and unimaginable color, transfixed. He 'bothered' me, up to trouble and not right in the head. I turned around and focused on him (amazing intensity and tingling sensation) and said "if you are going to use that thing, be very very careful". His head flew up, his jaw dropped, and bang, over. My only other outtings in this plane involved natural things: trees and plants, earth, water, wind and weather. Outside of this plane: I've seen the place where most but not all of us come from (like a spiritual mix of oil and water), I've seen skies without stars, dead places, peaceful dark corners, borders of unkown places guarded by 'things'. I once fought and embraced one of these 'things', became a third unique thing unto ourself (?), most powerful and moving experience of my existence. It was there when I returned, could feel it for a while, then went away, but feel different ever since (know things and feel things and then don't feel other things). I think this is the thing that tried to knock me out of my body. Apart from these things, my only experiences were embracing and grieving for previous pets (before we knew they were dead). I don't know how any of this works. I've never been able to tell myself consciously to do or not do anything while out. I am a different thing outside, overly strong, unafraid and ultimately curious. Once tried an AP VHS to get out while awake: just went into REM while awake, laughing because couldn't control my eyes. Maybe, I'm just odd and there won't be answers. Maybe, I carry small pieces of other things I've touched in the past, and have thus altered my own reality and the laws thereof (as far as astral things anyway). Too many questions. Outside, I don't have any real questions, everything makes sense. I miss that lately, since I haven't been out in a long while. -Jallyn
Hey Jallyn - Thank you so very much for replying. You answered my questions indirectly, however, the end result was that they were answered :) Your attitude towards exploring unexplored terrain for yourself is inspirational, for I feel I need to work in the areas of "overly strong" and unafraid due to past issues. The ultimate curiosity has been sparked and there is no going back. Thank you again, for your words helped me go forward.
Rusty
I have been having OBEs as far back as I can remember, but have not been able to conciously do so. Only did once while awake, when had the flu and just felt awful. Never been outside with any memory of being near my body. Just seem to go directly/instantly to other planes. Handful of 'earthly' experiences, but seem to be a troublemaker. Have been inside other physical people (2) and one wild animal, both with and without them being there. Have interacted seperately with 1 physical person while out and about. Have interacted with inhuman entities also, and have had 'something' try to knock me out of my body while I slept. Very upsetting. I have tried every technique I've read to conciously project to no avail. Not sure I should be doing so without any control based on my track record. Is there hope...or should I take up drinking? -jallyn