Read Robert Bruce's Treatise on OOBE
dino, you could do some efforts
of course the reading of the treatise is usefull, but expressing yourself on the subject would also interest other people like myself.
I think I had an insight of RTZ yesterday, but didn't know how to project for I'm almost sure I was not paralised. I did not try to move though. I had my eyes closed and I saw the ceiling of my room, but there was a center light device there which I actually don't have. I'm not really sure anymore about that vision, for nobody commented my post in astral experiences.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5978
What I think is that yes, you actually have to be more close to awakeness if you want to get to RTZ, but you're still in a strange state, you're not fuzzy at all, but your conciousness has to be somewhere else than in the physical. I would advise you trial and error: the images and voices are not from RTZ as far as I can tell, so they mean your then on some monroe focus... don't know which one, but probably your dream pool, anyway. To project to RTZ, I would say it is needed to settle your conciousness below physical awareness but above dream images, once settled, just wait, think loosely, and you might start to see throu your eyes closed as I did... pay attention that your eyes are really closed, for they might open slightly and you might think that's it, while it's not. Also you have to know the picture is VERY clear... and while I saw it I had plenty of time to wonder about what I was seeing... When I realised that this center light was not mine, I started to be much perturbed, and I started to unconsciously want that it stoped, and it did. I don't know how to project from that point... so I ask other people to react!
Well, a lot of people naturally pop out into the RTZ. Some, people, however tend to pop into the Astral proper.
Well, if you happen to be one of those people who goes straight to the Astral proper, I would suggest you get some consultation from Frank. He had that problem (if you'd call it that), and found a way to get to the RTZ.
Hi Graupel.
Yes, you can project into the RTZ zone from the "Mind Awake/Body Asleep" state, and so far that is the only way that I have done it. It's good that you can hold the mind awake/body asleep state, and feeling all those different sensations of a projection.
Yes it can be done from that state easily, and would not necasarily project you into the astral plane unless you were in a very deep trance. I can tell you will have much success, for what you're doing with waking up in half lucid dreams and the like while your body is asleep, is very easy to project from there. Next time this happens, why don't you try to "get up and walk across the room" [;)]. Hopefully you'll try to, and fly uncontrollably around the room. Good luck with that, keep up the efforts!
When the vibrations build, is it unusual to hear animal screams (a sugar glider from austrailia, to be specific)
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Originally posted by Graupel
When the vibrations build, is it unusual to hear animal screams (a sugar glider from austrailia, to be specific)
Its pretty normal to hear some kind of strange noise when the vibrations build. I mostly hear a roaring jet engine noise, or some times a loud bang in the house, and more rarely an explosion.
As you are in the transe (whether from waking up from a dream or other) and you start hearing the whislling, hissing, buzzing sound, and that this sounds is taking over you body as vibration and that it emplifies so much that it overcome all your feeling, then, THEN, get up from your bed! and you will get out of your body, you will leave your body behind on your bed. At that stage you should be very close to the physical world, but it can easily drift into a dream or your room might suddenly change... etc... THe best is to stay there for a little while and make an effort to be more conscious and more lucid and more clear. Then get back to your body. NExt time try a little more and get back to your body. and so on. I believe that if your body is tired, you might start to go into the dream world. But if your body is just "idle" or unconscious (like in an NDE) then you are the closest to the physical world. Good luck and keep us inform of your progresses.
I am interested in projecting into the physical world (real time zone) and not so much the astral planes just yet. Is it possible to project into the physical world (creating the etheric double in the physical world and shifting the consciousness into that double) directly from the common "Mind Awake/Body Asleep" state? I read that it can only be done while wide awake and that the Monroe Focus states are concerned with more of the astral "phasing" approach to enter directly into the astral realms.
What are the major requirements that can give me a head start on this? I can't really enter a trance just yet (the falling sensations just didn't seem to work for me), but I have so far had success with holding a mind awake / body asleep state (whether it was half-waking up from a lucid dream or focusing on body sensations on a quick return to the sleeping state in the morning) and feeling the surge of hissing sparks and vibrations building up inside my whole body and exploding violently with popping noises and sometimes voices. If it can be done from that state relatively easily, would exit techniques rocket you directly into the astral plane or would it be relatively the same thing as an etheric double in the real time zone physical environment?
Is the NEW energy raising and chakra work really required, or should the mind awake / body asleep state solve the need for that?