projection into heaven?

[Stillwater]

I have heard that this is indeed possible. The author of a treatise that I read a while back said that it was possible to project to succeccively higher realms from the astral and above, provided one's energy level could be made to be compatible; he even conceded that it might be possible to project to the higher levels instantly, but that it would require more skill than he had at the time, and this person was a veritible master who claimed that he could be visible in two places at once.

So I would say yes, should one have enough acumen and proficiency.

Thank you,
Stillwater

[Rastus]

Depends on your definition of heaven.

With enough energy and enough skill, yes.

[izanagi]

... very interesting stillwater, thank you for your reply.

is it possible you could tell me who the author is so i can find out more. even though i doubt i'll get to that level, i want to find out more.

and heaven is a very broad term, almost every religion thinks of it differently. basicly what i mean is somthing above the astral where souls go, and somewhere closer to gods and dietys.

[cube]

You should read this:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1571741011/104-2104024-6427928?v=glance

It's got a few chapters on Heaven/Hell type realms.

[upstream]

Once I projected a place similar to heaven. It was disgusting.

[Veccolo]

quote:Originally posted by upstream

Once I projected a place similar to heaven. It was disgusting.

Now that's an interesting answer. Was it a "self-created" (not by you, by "them") heaven?

[Kazbadan]

There are indeed storys, that i read in books, about people that projected by accident in heaven. They didnt knew nothing about AP, obe etc, but they had near death exp. that maked them project into a place of golden colors, very beautifull and totally relaxing.

It sounds funny but get drunk with your friends in a disco it´s evem more[].

[izanagi]

lol... what was so disgusting about it?

[Risu no Kairu]

You could always try to build a tower that reaches Heaven.

[izanagi]

i've heard of that swedenborg guy.. i'll go look him up right now []. basicly what this whole thing on heaven is about, is because i think that would be the best place to learn from guides and dietys, and it could somehow influence my life greatly. it would be possible to get advise and guidance from the highest levels, not to mention visiting any great influential people and decised family members... i dunno, one of the better places to go to. [8D]

[CptPicard]

To my knowledge, there is no actual heaven or hell. It's simply a manifestation of our own believe which simply materialises to our own thought process.

Ever heard the expression life is what you make of it? Well that applies more so to afterlife. If you don't believe in heaven but instead believe in Hell, then that's where you'll go my friend. Visualisation/Imagination is everything.

Basically what I'm saying.... Is that everyone's experience of heaven will be different because it's something you create or something the spirits create for you based on your believe.

Try not to think 3 dimensionally like we do here on earth.  You exist in the afterlife as a form of energy vibrating at different frequencies depending on your own level of consciousness.  If you project and see loved ones, you are only seeing them the way you remembered them on earth they are actually a beautiful form of energy vibrating.

Remember everything is energy.............

[complexette]

quote:Originally posted by izanagi

hey, i'm just wondering if it's possible to project into heaven and if anyone has.. i've heard stories of a couple people in particular going there without dying like this man named onisaburo deguchi one of the founders of omoto kyo. anyways, i believe it's possible but i wonder if it's connected to astral projection. maybe it's something else, i don't know. any answer/insight would be greatly appreciated.

I once arrived in heaven out of what waz like a lucid dream, it waz different than u'r average O.B.E. It waz more like my soul waz having an Out'ta Soul Experience! I was conscious of my O.B.E, didn't break my connection.
   I remember looking to my left. Their waz a large man sitting behind a desk! He said; Jamie, The Jamie! I felt so special!!! Which I believe waz his intention, to let us know that we are all individually important!
   I saw Jesus walking along a path, I joined him as he led me to another meeting. As we walked he placed his hand on my back, At that moment I felt warmth and more love than I'd ever felt in my walking life. As I say this to him, "God the love you have!" We walk into another room, where I meet up with the maker, This is all I should say, for the rest is personal.  
   It waz Thee most beautiful experience in my Soul Life...

Ya know I must tell you what I just thought of, Maybe the Holy Trinity isn't so off.!. Especially if my theory is true, O.S.oul.E .
    "God, conscious?"( How much of our brain do we use, 10%) Son, "Physical Self","Jesus!, (the Heart)" & "Holy Spirit"  I always had a hard time with the Holy Trinity, But I know that I have a soul, conscious & a body all in one, that they do separate at times!!! HMMMMM                            Take Care, Complexette


May the sun rise to meet -U-.!.

[izanagi]

but what about those who have claimed to have been there or have seen it? i dunno, i believe in both heaven and hell. plus i've done some research on the subject and onisaburo deguchi (from my knowledge) seems to be that latest one to have gone there (late 1800s) and his discription corroborates with swedenborgs, and these were two totaly different people from different cultures and different times.. so i dont know if it's totaly what you make of it or turn it into depending on your beleifes, but i think your beleifes could change how you preceive things.. well im still a beginer and i am definatly not as well informed as most of you at this site, but thats just my oppinion.

[upstream]

quote:Was it a "self-created" (not by you, by "them") heaven?

Who knows? It seemed extremly real and made me oddly emotional.

[complexette]

quote:Originally posted by upstream

quote:Was it a "self-created" (not by you, by "them") heaven?

Who knows? It seemed extremly real and made me oddly emotional.

Do tell, what seemed extremly real& oddly emotional!?! Thx, Comp
P.ST. F.Y.I; Before I read other replys I give my opinion. That way I know if I'm on track also give my full oppinion or thoughts, without interference!
   So I guess if there's something I've missed, I'll catch it 3 days later!!! [](he,he)

                                      Complexette

[upstream]

According to my diary, this eperience was my 121th OBE and happened in Jun 4, 2000. At that time I was heavily involved in practicing of "condensating my energy body" in order to break through the veils of hallucination (see one of my practice @ http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13551). That night, within one session I've projected into someone else's dream, observed a very curious phenomena and happened to get into that heaven like environment.

After the separation I went to the balcon and practiced enhancing my awareness. The result of my efforts was a surreal space on which I looked from my balcon. The space has enormous depths and was seemingly composed from many semitransparent layers filled with abstract objects and building like structures in the distance. I was afraid to zoom into those depths and helplessly doddled around for awhile before I decided to jump. I zoomed through various layers of that space: first I moved toward a chip like structure that turned out to be an enormous city (?) like complexum, but I got out of sync and found myself above its miniature version unable to enter (this kind of size inconsistency is a sure sign of travelling between "dimensions", the fluctocondensation of the energy body). I tired to miniaturise myself and pull allong an imagined line but failed so I "moved" back and resored a previous state. I zoomed onto a statue like structure in the middle of a toy sized valley and carefully tried not to move in space. I started to shrinking and the next moment I was standing beside that structure in a park like environment.

Perhaps the, simplest way to describe this place is that it was like an English garden with fountains. I was surprised about my perception that was very clear and accurate. The land was indeed beautiful but firmly mushy to my taste. I saw a water like substance flowings around my feets and forming a thick moving layer of shining lights on the trails. It was already too much for me but I was unprepared to the squish that awaited me. The statue I zoomed on was slowly rotated around its vertical axis. I realised that the beautiful music I have heard from the beginning is come from the moving statue. The music was triumphant and stately like mixing Pachelbel's Kanon with some Vanglis' music. It was indeed the most beautiful music I've ever heard. As the statue further rotated it showed a text I've tired to read but was unable to figure out more than it is formed from three words, perhaps a name. "My system cannot interpret this information. I wonder what this place looks like for real..." I thought. Then I saw a group of man dressed in white clothes (hehe) approaching the statue in regular rows so I moved back and started to observe them from the background. I thought like this: "These people are mastered in forming their environment..." & "This place is more peaceful I can even hope for." & "Perhaps one day I would live somwhere like this... But, this couldnt be the end of my progress, there should always exist more beautiful and paceful places so my journey will never end..." I started to feel deep pity for myself.

Eventually I've meet a man who looked almost like Robert DeNiro. I looked away from his face than back in order to reconfigure my sensory system but his face didn't changed. So I stand on my head for a while but still nothing changed. "What do you do?" he asked. I started to become suspicious about the whole experience because he was uanble to read my mind. I told him that I think he is either a hallucination of mine or a being who is interpreted by my sensory system as Robert DeNiro. He liked my explanation. We had a strange conversation that I've forget. He was a very charming person without any sign of cynism I was suffered from so I trusted him and spoke my heart to him telling that "I just yearn for stillness and peace of my mind." I asked him about the reason of my constant searching and unhapiness. We talked about something very deep, beautiful and sad at the same time. I became more and more emotional then I woked up.

I think, this kind of emotional feedback is unlikely in a real astral projection and only could happen if awakening is very slow. So this experience might be the result of my lack of imagination, a Hollywood version of heaven. But you know... emotions are always real.

[bluelite]

From my personal astral experiences i can say that "heaven" and "hell" does exist but just not in the triditionally thought way in some religions.

As an experienced astral traveller I  can say that there are many planes  some of a low vibration and others high. As for the christian version of "hell", well yes it is a  real place however  I have been to places even worse as the astral contains numerous other lower levels.

And  for the triditional christian view of "heaven" it to exist in the higher realms but there are even greater planes not yet discovered by the average traveller.

What must be understood is that the astral is not governed by space nor time and contains all that IS,WAS AND EVER WILL BE in other words it contains the worst that man can concieve and even LOWER.  It also contains his GREATEST achievements and some that he may only dream of achieving whilst in his physical body.


Bluelight

[izanagi]

hey, i'm just wondering if it's possible to project into heaven and if anyone has.. i've heard stories of a couple people in particular going there without dying like this man named onisaburo deguchi one of the founders of omoto kyo. anyways, i believe it's possible but i wonder if it's connected to astral projection. maybe it's something else, i don't know. any answer/insight would be greatly appreciated.