Projection phenomenon?

[Louis]

Well, from all the informations I have read (and my short personnal experience), I would be tempted to say that you were on the way to project. The separation of your conscious mind with the body may be what is waking you up. I admit the vibrations and tinglings in the body are quite strange to feel, and some people have experienced some sounds or whispers while projecting. With what you described, I am tempted to assume this feeling of dread you have is CAUSED by the sensations and not part of them. It may be your fear that causes such uncomfortable and annoying situations.
But, I am no expert, it is just my 2¢
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[RascalKing]

I never every penny I can get

It seems quite possible that the sounds and sensations compound the fear, and that the confusion of being in this state and the sounds and sensations feed off each other resulting in the feeling of dread.

[Nay]

Welcome to the forums RascalKing!

This sounds like the "Dweller on the threshold"  here's a link about it. The whispering you hear is quite normal as well, and best just to try and ignore it, so you do not cut short your experience.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10545

And you might find our "Permanent Astral Topics" worth looking at as well, if you haven't all ready. []

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=44

Nay

[RascalKing]

Would this account for it even though I'm not making a projection attempt at the time?

[Louis]

I have a friend of mine who woke up to an inch from the ceiling, out side his body. Even if you don't want to project, it can still happen.

[jayselect]

Hi rascal king, your story is quite like mine. About 2 weeks after starting to study and practise ap. I would wake up in the morning half asleep and half awake to vibrations and a noise that resembles howling or wind.

This noise only gets louder, and it kinda freaked me out to the first time it happened to me. But I think it's just a step in the right direction for ap!

This happens to me regularly now(probably cause i got ap on the brain). Anyways I don't think it's anything you should fear, because it sounds to me like your going to ap soon. And fear will only hold you back.

Just my 2 cents, thought i'd post

[RascalKing]

Well it is still happening once or twice a night as I'm trying to fall asleep. But I am getting over the fear. Last night I held it (not falling asleep or waking up but just...'going with it' and relaxing) for about 20-30 seconds. At the end it started feeling like I was turning on a spit, which I've felt before when practicing ap. I mean, I wish I knew where I really was at this point, whether it's just in my head or what. I would like to know if there is a way to consciously exit from this point. Because I really am not awake, yet completely aware. I guess I'll try rolling out of my body, or maybe if I tried the rope climbing from that point it would work quickly? I don't know if they are the vibrations, because they rack my body and fluctuate intensely. You know the sound you hear when you've gotten water in your ear from swimming and you turn your head a certain way and it swishes inside? Or you yawn and kindof get a loud noise in your ear that drowns everything else out for a second?It's like that only insanely loud and is coming from my whole body.

[RascalKing]

wow, I think that actually worked. I started trying to pull myself out and it only took one tug at the rope and I felt myself quickly rising up. I wasn't sure if I was asleep or awake, I was kindof in my apartment and it kindof looked like my apartment. My bed was there, although I looked and didn't see myself sleeping there. I kept doing reality checks to make sure I was really dreaming before I jumped off my balcony. The tv was on (actually on as I was asleep) and I could still hear everything being said on it in my head, and I looked at my watch (in my sleep) and it was a little tv playing it's own show, in fact there were reflections of a tv screen with something being shown in a lot of places I looked (any reflective surface it seemed). I flew around a bit outside, although I can't maintain that for very long because I worry that I won't be able to maintain it for very long. After 2 or 3 minutes (I'd been keeping in mind that Bruce says to keep it short) I went back to my bed, and I remember being a little puzzled as to how to wake up, so after a few seconds I just flung myself onto the mattress hard and woke myself up. (It still took some effort and concentration). During the thing it seems like the images and sensations are there, and visible, but also vague and indistinct, like seeing fluctuating things and not having peripheral vision to provide a broader context. I guess that's how dreams are, but are you able to see more, and more distinctly, more of a complete picture of the plane you're in with practice? Or is it always just shifting images that you can't really control too much? I guess maybe at the time things were a bit clearer, but I can only remember things as indistinct images now.

[RascalKing]

I'll have to see if it works as easily tonight. Now that I want the thing that scared me to happen it probably won't as my subconscious anxiety about waking up afraid likely plays a part in it happening in the first place. If it does work continually though, that seems almost too easy, and I don't want to fool myself into thinking that something is happening that isn't really.

[Naldo]

When you arrive at that state where you can sense the vibrations use the counting method to lift off... When I arrive at that state I count backwards from 10 to 1 then I open my inner eye's, then I lift my hands to see then, then I simply use "intent" to lift off.

This always works for me; except for once, I had finished my counting to 1 and  could not open my inner eye so I counted again with the intention of counting from 5 to 1 and as I reached the count of 3 I found my awareness lift or expand to the ceiling of my room. Thereafter, it was just a matter of surfing...

Test it out... hope it works for you.

Bye.

[RascalKing]

Excellent, thank you for the suggestion. I will definitely try that out tonight.

[RascalKing]

I've been practicing projection off and on for about 6 months, have read everything I can find online as well as Mr. Bruces' "Astral Dynamics" And while I feel I have made some progress, I have not been able to project as of yet. My question is this, lately I've been waking up in my sleep (not from my sleep) to a feeling of dread accompanied by a sound of whispering wind in my ears and a full body roar is the only way to describe it, all of which are quite frightening at the time. I never remember afterwards whether I see anything or not. I have had these sensations once in a while (4 times a year or so) since childhood and have associated them with the phenomenon of night terrors and though they are acutely uncomfortable I recognize logically that it is harmless, such that I am able to maintain some measure of composure while they happen, but the feelings are so unpleasant that I always will myself to wake up, which, here is the thing. At the time they are happening I feel I can either give in and be sucked into a nightmare, or, by exerting a strong effort I can wake myself up, which usually takes 5 to 7 seconds (to my half-asleep mind). These have been happening much more frequently as of late, and they are usually at the beginning of the night when I have just fallen asleep. I guess my hypothesis is that I begin dreaming something nightmarish that startles me but does not completely wake me up and I'm stuck in some sort of dreadful limbo til I do. I suspect they have become more frequent since I've stopped taking paxil and started following a strict low-carb diet in the last month or so. There has also been more stress in my life than usual and perhaps that plays a part. What I'm wondering is whether this has to do with my projected double, and waking up not yet integrated into the physical body. I guess it could be equated to a lucid dream, inasmuch as I am suddenly conscious while not being awake, though it feels much more real than the lucid dreams I have experienced, where I still have to fight off the dreaminess to keep myself aware. I am just wondering if there is anyone who might know or be able to conjecture about what is going on? And if this is realated to the "mind-split" and whether there is anything I could do to fight the fear and experience a projection from that point?  Thanks for reading and for any input you can give!