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quote:Originally posted by KazbadanWell, i´m trying to give ideas. I´m waiting for more.I thinked a little too in something that someone here has sayed: the experience it would proof only something to me or the ones involved in the experiment. We should try to overpass that situation in some manner.Give ideas...
quote:Originally posted by NEoneOk, here's the way I see it. Your brain can recreate any physical perception you have ever had, or can reasonably approximate how a new physical sensation should feel. I.e. none of us have ever flown before, but our brains can take a stab at what it would be like to fly based on expectations. Or, if you've never been swimming, your brain could still make a good guess as to what it would feel like based on what it knows about water, your body etc. Now, going on this, I had a feeling that my brain should not have been able to create on its own. I felt myself floating around my room. Then I returned to my body. When I got close to it, I felt myself located both above my body *and* simultaniously inside my body. It's a very hard sensation to describe, and I didn't really know that it was going to happen, so I didn't have any expectations of it or anything. My point is, in my opinion, there is no way my brain could possibly independently produce this sensation because there is no event in "normal" physical reality that could even resemble such a thing. Maybe if it were something like 2 heartbeats or 4 legs or some other viable sensation it would be different, but I definitely don't think the brain in its natural state can ever *imagine* 2 points of conciousness.I know that's not "proof" really, but still, it's something...
quote:Originally posted by holy realityI have still yet to be able to gain control of the hypnagogic state in the middle of the day despite intense attempts at focusing... so that may have something to do with the dream like qualities of my experiences.
quote:Originally posted by Kazbadanquote:Originally posted by holy realityI have still yet to be able to gain control of the hypnagogic state in the middle of the day despite intense attempts at focusing... so that may have something to do with the dream like qualities of my experiences.What do you mean by controling the hypnagogic state during the day? do you have hallucinations or something?!
quote:anyway I'd like to mention that all the OBE's I've had have been of the waking induced variety and I have still yet to be able to gain control of the hypnagogic state in the middle of the day despite intense attempts at focusing... so that may have something to do with the dream like qualities of my experience
quote:Originally posted by NomusHiI didn't have time enough to read through all the pages so, If this has already been mentioned, then it was my mistake. Wouldn't it be proof enough if you saw your own body, lying in bed (or wherever you ap)? To actually be able to see your own body when you know for a fact that you are outside of it. Wouldn't that be proof enough?Kazbadan: Is that a ball lightning?