Pulling someone out

[jc84corvette]

It sounds like a great idea! It makes sense that it will be hard for future AP's. So do not do it.

Hey can that someone pull you out if you live in diffrent states, etc?

[TheFallOfMan]

I think so, but im not very sure.  I dont see why not, anyway.


hah, ride the lightening is the best metallica album, man.

[jc84corvette]

Heh thank you. Ride the Lightning is very awsome! Its all about death, suicide, and nuclear war. Its undoutably true Metallica. So is Master of Puppets and the Black Albumb.

Concerning pulling some one out that lives in a far distance. That is accurate and is easy. Robert Bruce says it can happen. All what you do is : when in a trance scream out with your mind " -Insert name- come get me, pull me out".

[c3pt0r]

yes, my friend also said its possible for u to help another friend pull out, also that your guide can also...

-Pawel-

[ASunnieSpirit]

does this also include help by a guide, ive been thinking about asking a guide for help if i get stuck again but not if i cant ap for a while afterwards

[Jeff_Mash]

You can technically pull anyone out as long as they are ready and accepting.  It's extremely hard to do though, at least from my experience.  The few times I have tried to pull someone out while they were sleeping, they were very groggy, incoherant, and had no memory in the morning.

As far as you pulling someone out would make things harder for them in the future, I think that's a load of crap.  Consciously OBEing is hard in general.  It takes lots of dedication and practice.

Most people think that since OBEing is so hard to consciously induce, that simply being "pulled out" is the next available shortcut.  However, I'm afraid that without some effort and lots of practice on your own, you have just as much chance of getting pulled out as you do of consciously projecting on your own.

Bottom line: you can continue to have your BF try and pull you out....but don't worry about the whole "making it harder for me later" thing.  I have seen no evidence of that.

[Makaveli]

I think someone may have tried to pull me out a few days ago.  I became conscious and everything looked and felt normal so I thought I was in the physical then I heard someone behind me talking.  They grabbed my hands which started vibrating a little and I started slowly sliding across the bed which felt very real, I was startled and confused thinking I was still in the physical so I woke up.

[kiauma]

I agree with Mr. Mash.  I don't have his extensive experience, but it stands to reason that OBEing itself is accomplished with discipline and practice.  Without that in at least some measure, it is near impossible to do.

The only advantages to being helped is knowing it is possible and having some familiarity with the sensations involved.  This could help you to focus your intent, but one would still need to learn the discipline.

[holy reality]

it does kind of make you lazy but.... i don't see anything wrong with taking the easy way out, and I can still roll myself out of my body and stumble around wherever I am groggily if need be.

(haven't hit vibrations and let them do their work in a long time though :/)

but what I usually do is when I wake up from a dream and I'm still tired I just don't move and remember everything as vividly as I can and start calling out to the people near me to pull me back in.

It works like 80-90% of the time with a little bit of effort on my part (lots of concentration)

What bothers me is I can do the same while wide awake and if I really use my imagination well I can get weird feelings and sometimes feel them grabbing my hand... yet.... nothing happens.

I wonder how long it's going to take me to be able to conscious OBE....

oh and I have no idea how to pull people out... becuase first of all I've never really met real people before, that is unless they are extremely dumb from being in a dream state.. because they don't talk to me very well and I can control their responses (usually)

[jc84corvette]

Thank you Mash for clearing things up.

[TheFallOfMan]

Hello,

I was wondering what happens if you pull someone out of their body.  My boyfriend is pretty experienced, and i asked him if he could just pull me out when i was trying to astral project.  He said that he could, but in doing that, my spirit would sort of unconciously rely on him to get out.  So, everytime i wanted to astral project, i would need him to be there.  He also said that it would just make it harder to astral project on my own if he pulled me out.  When he and his friend were trying for the fist time a few years ago, he got out, and then pulled him friend out, and in turn his friend wasn't able to do it on his own for something like a year.

if you have any opinions, theories, or knowledge on this, i would love to hear it.

Thanks